U.S. Soldier Throws Puppy Off a Cliff

Nicky · 03-07-2008, 08:59 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=N0xjY-4CMdI

I'm not going to watch the video because I probably wouldn't be able to handle it, but it's stirred up a truckload of controversy, and I'm guessing it's something of a big deal. Of course Matthew Lush is having a field day with this...

Thoughts?

Mine is:

Though yes, it is a bit sick to tape yourself throwing a puppy off a cliff (fake or not), it's just a puppy, and there are bigger things in the world happening than puppies being thrown off cliffs. Heck if I were a soldier in Iraq I'd most likely be completely emotionally immune to something like that as well. It's just people who haven't ever really been exposed to/entertained thoughts of anything truly horrible ever actually happening beyond... well...... whatever it is that's popular at the moment in the U.S. to protest or debate about.

I don't think that soldier is the scum of the earth, but I do think he might be a little off the deep end from serving in Iraq for too long. I pity him more than resent him. Yes... I pity the puppy too, but I also pity the man.

I also don't care what anyone says in regards to the puppy's worth in comparison to a baby's. There is a huge difference between a baby and a puppy and you know it. This would be a totally different situation altogether if it were a human baby thrown off of that cliff. The capacity and potential of the human brain far surpasses that of a dog's... Do not interpret me as saying that the puppy's life is worthless, but I'm not compelled to tears at the thought of a puppy being thrown off a cliff. A baby, on the other hand, would traumatize me for weeks.

Willy_Wonka · 03-07-2008, 09:19 PM

owned

happylittleClayFox · 03-07-2008, 09:40 PM

Indeed, that puppy had it comin'

Zetex · 03-07-2008, 09:47 PM

Though a horrible thing to do, I can't figure out why there's such an uproar over a fucking dog being killed and no one even flinches when an Iraqi civilian is killed.

The puppy being thrown off a cliff is not worse than Joe Blow putting his dog to sleep with a bullet to the head.

Nicky · 03-07-2008, 09:49 PM

gabrielwhist · 03-08-2008, 02:25 AM

At least Krusty's joking.

EDIT

Oh, and weird as it may seem, I think throwing a puppy off a cliff is actually worse that killing a human, including a baby to me. I don't know why, I just find it more deplorable.

Nicky · 03-08-2008, 09:56 AM

... I absolutely disagree, but whatever.

Dudeo · 03-08-2008, 10:24 AM

Life is life. It ends. Get over it.

Natus Lumen · 03-08-2008, 01:31 PM

Personally, I thought Krusty's was pretty funny.

I'm with Zetex on this one. A single puppy gets killed in a somewhat cruel fashion but millions of people in Sudan have been decapitated, flayed, tortured, mutilated, raped, beaten, etc in this past ten years. Which is more important? Sorry, perspective wins.

Willy, we don't ignore you, we just pretend to ignore you so as not to encourage you.

Sen: why?

Nicky · 03-08-2008, 03:43 PM

This guy pretty much sums it up.

Zetex · 03-08-2008, 10:53 PM

http://cbs11tv.com/local/Emory.murde....2.666746.html
I find it disgusting that the puppy will get more sympathy than this family.

diet poop · 03-09-2008, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetex

http://cbs11tv.com/local/Emory.murde....2.666746.html
I find it disgusting that the puppy will get more sympathy than this family.

I think I'm going to be sick...

Sen · 03-09-2008, 07:53 AM

This guy killed his mom and two baby sisters (11 and 4). I'll find the link and attach.

Okay, here. And it's pure coincednce that one of the baby-daddies happens to be a rapper.

Siriustar · 03-10-2008, 01:07 AM

Throwing a puppy => horrible.

Throwing a newborn child => equally as horrible.

Why do people try to redeem animal abusers by saying "Oh, at least it wasn't a human being; that would be SO MUCH WORSE." What makes humans more valuable than dogs? Is it that we have capabilities that the don't? We're more intelligent, more educated... what? By that logic, the average American life is worth more than that of an average Ethiopian.

Anyone who thinks murdering an innocent puppy is less sickening or despicable than murdering an innocent civilian is fucked. Maybe I'm not a realist on this subject, but fucking COME ON.

Nicky, I lost a hell of a lot of respect for you by reading your original post.

Natus Lumen · 03-10-2008, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siriustar

Throwing a puppy => horrible.

Throwing a newborn child => equally as horrible.

Why do people try to redeem animal abusers by saying "Oh, at least it wasn't a human being; that would be SO MUCH WORSE." What makes humans more valuable than dogs? Is it that we have capabilities that the don't? We're more intelligent, more educated... what? By that logic, the average American life is worth more than that of an average Ethiopian.

Anyone who thinks murdering an innocent puppy is less sickening or despicable than murdering an innocent civilian is fucked. Maybe I'm not a realist on this subject, but fucking COME ON.

Nicky, I lost a hell of a lot of respect for you by reading your original post.

Generally, humans identify with other humans better than other animals.

Siriustar · 03-11-2008, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Natus Lumen

Generally, humans identify with other humans better than other animals.

In many instances, humans are more irrational, remorseless, and unduly hateful than animals, so much so that I detest associating with most of 'em.

Coldin · 03-11-2008, 11:20 PM

Yeah, Gabe, I can understand how you feel, maybe I can explain a little better, however.

To restate what Siriustar said, I feel this way because animals are not capable of evil, humans are. Even if a baby dies, you don't know if that baby was going to be the next hitler, a serial killer, or the next Ghandi. What you do know is that at some time in everyone's life they knowingly commit an evil action, thus makeing them, even the smallest amount, more deserving of their demise or pain.

Animals are different, they don't understand good or evil, they act on impulse, emotions, and simple logic. If a dog attacks someone, it's not because the dog enjoys seeing them in pain, its because the dog was trained to, scared, etc.

Not to say we should all shut down the cattle farms and worship dogs. I'm just saying we need to understand compasion when dealing with animals, and understand that just because they are of a different species than us doesn't mean we shouldn't keep in mind how our actions effect them. Especially domesticated animals such as dogs, we weened these creatures off their survival instincts through years of domestication, thus, we owe them the protection, if we just cast them off into death and pain, we as humans have failed ourselves ethically.

You can say that it isn't your responsibility, but it is, through heritage.

I tried to watch the video but YouTube seems to have gotten rid of it completely, and I don't wanna google it.

As far as the soldier goes, I don't see what the big deal is. The US Army contains thousands of soldiers, to think that none of them aren't fucked up is just naive.

Natus Lumen · 03-12-2008, 01:14 PM

That is true, that animals aren't capable of malicious emotions, but still...I'd excercise more sympathy for a thousand people being killed than one cute animal. The will of man is, by nature, worse than that of animals, but man is more intelligent, complex and emotional than animals, so perhaps that's why I feel worse about people (innocent ones, at least) being killed than animals. I think people are more complex and interesting.

Coldin · 03-12-2008, 10:16 PM

So according to what you're saying the life of a person with a mental disability is worth less than that of someone with a healthy mind since they are less intelligent, complex, and capable (sometimes) of emotion?

Sen · 03-12-2008, 10:37 PM

ManYouDoNotKnow2 · 03-12-2008, 11:17 PM

it got removed so I counld'nt see it

Siriustar · 03-13-2008, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Natus Lumen

I'd excercise more sympathy for a thousand people being killed than one cute animal.

Uhh

I'd like to think any person with any sanity whatsoever would feel the same way, give the 1000/1 RATIO.

gabrielwhist · 03-13-2008, 09:11 PM

Depends on who the thousand people were.

viper.gtsr · 03-13-2008, 09:13 PM

They were Hitler's clones.

Nicky · 03-13-2008, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siriustar

Throwing a puppy => horrible.

Throwing a newborn child => equally as horrible.

Why do people try to redeem animal abusers by saying "Oh, at least it wasn't a human being; that would be SO MUCH WORSE." What makes humans more valuable than dogs? Is it that we have capabilities that the don't? We're more intelligent, more educated... what? By that logic, the average American life is worth more than that of an average Ethiopian.

Anyone who thinks murdering an innocent puppy is less sickening or despicable than murdering an innocent civilian is fucked. Maybe I'm not a realist on this subject, but fucking COME ON.

Nicky, I lost a hell of a lot of respect for you by reading your original post.

With all due respect Sirius, I find your viewpoint very naive. Even though I do find it less sickening than a human child, I already revealed that I was and still am unable to bring myself to watch the video.

03-07-2008, 08:59 PM	#1
Nicky g-user Local Time: 11:18 AM Local Date: 05-20-2013 Join Date: Jun 2007 Age: 21 Posts: 3,698 Casino Cash: $27394	U.S. Soldier Throws Puppy Off a Cliff http://youtube.com/watch?v=N0xjY-4CMdI I'm not going to watch the video because I probably wouldn't be able to handle it, but it's stirred up a truckload of controversy, and I'm guessing it's something of a big deal. Of course Matthew Lush is having a field day with this... Thoughts? Mine is: Though yes, it is a bit sick to tape yourself throwing a puppy off a cliff (fake or not), it's just a puppy, and there are bigger things in the world happening than puppies being thrown off cliffs. Heck if I were a soldier in Iraq I'd most likely be completely emotionally immune to something like that as well. It's just people who haven't ever really been exposed to/entertained thoughts of anything truly horrible ever actually happening beyond... well...... whatever it is that's popular at the moment in the U.S. to protest or debate about. I don't think that soldier is the scum of the earth, but I do think he might be a little off the deep end from serving in Iraq for too long. I pity him more than resent him. Yes... I pity the puppy too, but I also pity the man. I also don't care what anyone says in regards to the puppy's worth in comparison to a baby's. There is a huge difference between a baby and a puppy and you know it. This would be a totally different situation altogether if it were a human baby thrown off of that cliff. The capacity and potential of the human brain far surpasses that of a dog's... Do not interpret me as saying that the puppy's life is worthless, but I'm not compelled to tears at the thought of a puppy being thrown off a cliff. A baby, on the other hand, would traumatize me for weeks. Last edited by Nicky; 03-07-2008 at 09:22 PM.

03-08-2008, 02:25 AM	#6
gabrielwhist Banned Local Time: 07:18 AM Local Date: 05-20-2013 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Home is where the booze is Posts: 4,831 Casino Cash: $150	At least Krusty's joking. EDIT Oh, and weird as it may seem, I think throwing a puppy off a cliff is actually worse that killing a human, including a baby to me. I don't know why, I just find it more deplorable. Last edited by gabrielwhist; 03-08-2008 at 02:31 AM.

03-09-2008, 07:53 AM	#13
Sen Venture Capitalist Local Time: 11:18 AM Local Date: 05-20-2013 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Your soul Age: 23 Posts: 1,196 Casino Cash: $28903	This guy killed his mom and two baby sisters (11 and 4). I'll find the link and attach. Okay, here. And it's pure coincednce that one of the baby-daddies happens to be a rapper. Last edited by Sen; 03-09-2008 at 08:00 AM.

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