What is the point of living?

[The Perfect Seven]

Originally Posted by gabrielwhist

I agree for the most part. Though I hate it when people say humans are the highest form of being. It makes them sound like pompous asses. Personally I think that humans are the worst of all races, worse than animals if anything. The thing with the pills though, I just thought that instead of killing repeated offenders of excessively violent hate crimes, or putting them in jail for life, it would be cool to eleminate just that one emotion, and let them live the rest of their life normally.

Yeah but hate isn't always bad, as Neverender said. (i.e. It is good to hate something that is wrong or unjust). We need to eliminate the expression of hate, but not hate itself.

Not trying to argue with you. Just sayin'

[gussa]

im fingering a theremin

[gabrielwhist]

Originally Posted by Neverender.

Like in Xenosaga, they genetically altered humans to be specialized for killing. This was during a time of war. When the war was over, the genetically altered humans had no place in society, because all they knew how to do was kill. So they invented this thing called 'personality reconditioning' where instead of throwing someone in prison for life or killing them, they altered their brains to where they no longer had the urge to do whatever crime they had committed.
Also, in the movie/book A Clockwork Orange, they take this degenerate hooligan kid after he robs a house and they put him in prison. They perform all these psychological experiments on him where they ingrain into his mind that all things like sex, violence, drinking, drugs, etc. were all terrible, and anytime he tried to do things like that he would gag and vomit. I won't say what happens after he undergoes this whole thing, but Gabrielwhist, you should probably watch that movie before you come to any conclusion about what you're theorizing.

I agree that is wrong to control peoples emotions, and that is not what I am saying. I'm not saying we should restructure their personalities, or change who they are. I'm just saying that if possible, it might be a good idea to let people choose between eliminating their ability to hate, or stay in prison. And this would be in special cases, i.e. hate crimes, like the KKK. And seriously, who gives a shit if it doesn't work and destroys the lives of a couple white supremacist assholes?

[Natus Lumen]

I think we need to be working on more important things than conquering people's emotions, such as finding an adequate way to wipe Elen DeGeneres off the face of the earth. She just won an Emmy and she's talking about how good Hot Pockets are. S...T...F...U!!!

Anyhow, all emotions are good, but only if we keep them inside or use them for good purposes. Of course, people with odd emotional disorders don't generally have the same idea as normal humans (although I like to consider everyone a normal human) as to what 'good purposes' are, but okay. For example, to steal Gabrielwhist's ideas, the KKK have a strong hate for anyone of slavery-descent, and they think that a 'good intention' is killing a black person, which most of us normal humans percieve as wrong. If they kept it to themselves, they would be just as good as anyone else. Same as Hitler. But it's their actions that get them hated, and their emotions are the basis of those. So when it really comes down to it, it depends on whether we think the person is going to carry out unstabe emotions into actions.

Personally, I prefer therapy, philosophy, and rational reasoning over pills. Pills are dehumanizing us.

[gabrielwhist]

I disagree, not all emotions are good ones, or at least not equals. Wouldn't you rather be in love, than hating someone?

You not hungry for forums, you hungry for... Hot Pa-kets!

[gussa]

woo hoo

[Natus Lumen]

Originally Posted by gabrielwhist

I disagree, not all emotions are good ones, or at least not equals. Wouldn't you rather be in love, than hating someone?
You not hungry for forums, you hungry for... Hot Pa-kets!

No. Feeling hate is just as good as loving, as long as there is balance. Emotions are like colors. Some of them are ugly, some of them are pretty, but without all of them, we'd live in a pretty boring world.

[gussa]

like people of the opposite sex

[MrNaPaLm32]

Originally Posted by Neverender.

No. Feeling hate is just as good as loving, as long as there is balance. Emotions are like colors. Some of them are ugly, some of them are pretty, but without all of them, we'd live in a pretty boring world.

well, if you were to boil that down to its technical level:

Visible Light Spectrum:

Most colors can be created with Red Green And Blue.

You say, that without all the colors, we'd be in a boring world.

However when we combine These 3 universal colors, we get something strange.

Grey.

Strangely enough, when you combine all the colors, you get something really, really dull.

So based on your theory that we need all the colors, this would be the most boring place you could imagine.

O_o

[gabrielwhist]

Exactly. One of the most beatiful places on earth? The Great Barrier Reef. What do we see there? Red, Blue, Green. Vibrant colors. Happy Emotions. All those negatives, the greys and the weird vomit colors, they just bring you down. However, I do love the lack of color, black. Everyone needs a good bout a depression to give them something to write about.

[Natus Lumen]

Napalm, quit being an idiot. You know exactly what I mean and that I didn't mean it on the technical level. Brown may be just a combination of green, yellow, and red, but it looks to me to be a completely different color than lime green, which looks different from crimson, which looks different from a nice, royal blue. I'm very sorry for you if all you see when you walk outside is grey, grey and more grey.

I'm saying the world would be boring without all the different combinations of colors, not all the colors combined. Similarly, emotions are like colors in another way that I explained earlier: all emotions are made by combining eight basic chemicals that respond with our brain to make us feel differently, but there are infinitely more than eight emotions. The 'Basic Eight' are the primary colors of the light spectrum.

If all we were feeling at one point was a big combination of eight chemicals all at once reacting with each other in our brain, that would create an effect similar to all colors combining to form grey, except we would probably go crazy really soon. That's why we feel all different combinations of emotions instead of all emotions at once, and we see all different combinations of colors at different times and different places instead of seeing a combination of all the colors or emotions together all the time.

What I'm saying is that all combinations are different from each other, at least on the surface, and it's all the different combinations existing in nature that make it all exciting.

Even the bad combinations.

[MrNaPaLm32]

Originally Posted by Neverender.

Napalm, quit being an idiot. You know exactly what I mean and that I didn't mean it on the technical level.

Why not? The world functions on a technical level.

Originally Posted by Neverender.

Brown may be just a combination of green, yellow, and red, but it looks to me to be a completely different color than lime green, which looks different from crimson, which looks different from a nice, royal blue.

If you add Brown to lime green to Crimson to royal blue, you'll get a very nice Black. Which really are simple electromagnetic waves with a different frequency. Colors do not really exist.

Originally Posted by Neverender.

I'm very sorry for you if all you see when you walk outside is grey, grey and more grey.

Originally Posted by Neverender.

Emotions are like colors. Some of them are ugly, some of them are pretty, but without all of them, we'd live in a pretty boring world.

?

Originally Posted by Neverender.

I'm saying the world would be boring without all the different combinations of colors, not all the colors combined.

Colors also depend on who's eye is receiving them. For example, a cat has emotions, but it does not see what we consider to be
color.

Originally Posted by Neverender.

Similarly, emotions are like colors in another way that I explained earlier: all emotions are made by combining eight basic chemicals that respond with our brain to make us feel differently, but there are infinitely more than eight emotions. The 'Basic Eight' are the primary colors of the light spectrum.

But 5 of your "basic eight" come from the 3 cardinal colors. So theres a 'Basic 3' not 8.

Originally Posted by Neverender.

If all we were feeling at one point was a big combination of eight chemicals all at once reacting with each other in our brain, that would create an effect similar to all colors combining to form grey, except we would probably go crazy really soon. That's why we feel all different combinations of emotions instead of all emotions at once, and we see all different combinations of colors at different times and different places instead of seeing a combination of all the colors or emotions together all the time.

Night Club anyone? Wheres rehab when you need him.

[gabrielwhist]

Okay, plain and simple. Gun to your head: would you rather love someone or hate someone? Personally I would rather be in love, than be in hate(?). Therefore, in my opinion, love is a better emotion than hate. Now, I gotta get back to Okami.

[Natus Lumen]

Originally Posted by MrNaPaLm32

Why not? The world functions on a technical level. If you add Brown to lime green to Crimson to royal blue, you'll get a very nice Black. Which really are simple electromagnetic waves with a different frequency. Colors do not really exist.
?
Colors also depend on who's eye is receiving them. For example, a cat has emotions, but it does not see what we consider to be
color.
But 5 of your "basic eight" come from the 3 cardinal colors. So theres a 'Basic 3' not 8.
Night Club anyone? Wheres rehab when you need him.

Not everyone's perspective is technical. You should try seeing things as they are on the outside every once in a little while. Life's fun when you're superficial and shallow.

Oh please! Nothing really exists. There is no such thing as fact, only perspective and opinion. Anything a person can say or think is a perspective or an opinion.

Okay, the whole color to emotion metaphor was not meant to be translated literally. We all know that there are many major differences between the things we see and the ways we feel. I was simply trying to better state the properties of emotion by relating them to something about which we all know a little bit: colors.

As for Rehab...I hope he's lying dead in a gutter somewhere in the slums of Calcutta with his guts being eaten by fungus and bacteria. Of course, I shouldn't get my hopes up....

[gabrielwhist]

Wow you are a vicious angry man.

[MrNaPaLm32]

Originally Posted by Neverender.

Not everyone's perspective is technical. You should try seeing things as they are on the outside every once in a little while. Life's fun when you're superficial and shallow.

Oh please! Nothing really exists. There is no such thing as fact, only perspective and opinion. Anything a person can say or think is a perspective or an opinion.

Okay, the whole color to emotion metaphor was not meant to be translated literally. We all know that there are many major differences between the things we see and the ways we feel. I was simply trying to better state the properties of emotion by relating them to something about which we all know a little bit: colors.

I completely understand what you're saying,I'm just trying to be an ass while providing a contradicting viewpoint to your example.

[gabrielwhist]

All you need is love! Love, love is all you need. Love is all you need.

[gussa]

what are you on o_O

[Natus Lumen]

Originally Posted by gabrielwhist

Wow you are a vicious angry man.

Not really. I'm actually quite satisfied and happy with life. I just happen to hate the one who calls himself rehabisforquitters for a number of reasons. If you want to know those reasons go back and look at all his posts before he left.

[gabrielwhist]

Originally Posted by gussa

what are you on o_O

The real question is what am I NOT on.

[gussa]

well you're definitely not high on life thats for sure...

[gabrielwhist]

True, I have to get high so that life doesn't bring me down.

[Nicky]

We won't know the true meaning of life until after we die... pretty much. I mean, we all spend life preparing for death, don't we? Even if you're that type of person who's "here for the moment" don't tell me death is never in the back of your mind. Weather or not you believe in the afterlife, the only way to know it's there for sure is if you die (and stay dead). I however, would rather that happen naturally... and a good long time from now.

[gabrielwhist]

Death doesn't scare me, because I mean, when you die there is nothing. The rides over. I don't want to die, because life is interesting, but if I do die, oh well. Lets hope the ride was as fun as possible. By the way, its whether, not weather.

[Nicky]

I don't want to die because I have dreams... and a family that would be completely heart-broken and probably fall apart if I were to suddenly die. :P

I take that back... I wouldn't like to think they'd fall apart. -_- Hopefully they would simply mourn and then gradually move on, and let life become normal again. Or as normal as possible. I hate being the source of one's grief.