Most Effective System of Government

happylittleClayFox · 12-25-2006, 09:35 PM

There are many types of government:
Democratic Republic, Monarchy, Communism, Fascism, Dictatorship, Totalitarian State and Dynasties these are your choices. Effectiveness is not determined merely by the length of the system but by the progress made by those who use it.

You could say Communist Russia was an effective government because it enabled them to become a world superpower. You can include fictional governments so long as you explain their progress. You can even pick Enron, they made tons of money simply by wasting customer money claiming it was developing and this sent their stocks through the roof, of course they got found out and assraped by the monkey of vengeful justice.

I don't really care, it can be a short lived society that employed said form, so long as it made a mark on its consequent world.

MrNaPaLm32 · 12-26-2006, 01:15 AM

I think an egalitarianistic autocratic totalitarian socio-republican society would be the best way to go.

gwia · 12-26-2006, 01:22 AM

I say Constituinal Monarchy, we have all the advantages and freedom of a democracy but also a garuntee that if our Prime Minister stuffs up to bad he gets sacked and we get a lot of help from another country to fix us up, like being a baby.

Axel · 12-26-2006, 04:32 AM

IE. rely on another country.

MrNaPaLm32 · 12-26-2006, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolitsaxel

IE. rely on another country.

no, kick the existing monarch out in place of a better one.

Axel · 12-26-2006, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrNaPaLm32

no, kick the existing monarch out in place of a better one.

I was referring to GWIA's post, where he'd rather have Australia as a constitutional monarchy than a republic. IE. be lazy and rely on another country to save your sorry ass.

gwia · 12-28-2006, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolitsaxel

I was referring to GWIA's post, where he'd rather have Australia as a constitutional monarchy than a republic. IE. be lazy and rely on another country to save your sorry ass.

We only rely on them when we're in the shitter, otherwise we don't use them for anything, when things go bad we call them.

gwia · 12-26-2006, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolitsaxel

IE. rely on another country.

Yep :)

12-26-2006, 02:46 PM

Because it's that easy.

happylittleClayFox · 12-26-2006, 06:46 PM

Depending on the leader any form could work but the best is probably a dynasty run with officials both from outside the country and within it, the Mongols ran China that way for a long time and were more successful than many of the previous regimes.

12-26-2006, 11:19 PM

socialism, hands down

MrNaPaLm32 · 12-27-2006, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheElectricMonk

socialism, hands down

socialism doesnt work in practicality, nor on a large scale.

Axel · 12-28-2006, 12:26 AM

Hey I need someone to confirm this for me. Did Karl Marx invent Socialism or Communism?

MrNaPaLm32 · 12-28-2006, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolitsaxel

Hey I need someone to confirm this for me. Did Karl Marx invent Socialism or Communism?

He invented communism. Communism is a form of government, while socialism is an economic system.

Natus Lumen · 12-28-2006, 12:30 PM

I think that, in small communities, or when used as a temporary solution to try and get an impoverished empire back on track, Communism works the best. On a large scale in a country where there are more educated people than there are idiots, like Ancient Greece, full out Democracy is the way to go. A Monarchy is just asking to be overthrown by someone else, as any idiot can just attack one place and take all the power. If you run a facist government, your people will inevitably start to hate your guts. Dictatorships and totalitarian governments just don't work, because the people will always revolt and kill everyone running the government. This may contradict some of what I have just said, but basically any form of oligarchy works, as long as one politician doesn't get more than a few years of power.

MrNaPaLm32 · 12-28-2006, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neverender.

I think that, in small communities, or when used as a temporary solution to try and get an impoverished empire back on track, Communism works the best. On a large scale in a country where there are more educated people than there are idiots, like Ancient Greece, full out Democracy is the way to go. A Monarchy is just asking to be overthrown by someone else, as any idiot can just attack one place and take all the power. If you run a facist government, your people will inevitably start to hate your guts. Dictatorships and totalitarian governments just don't work, because the people will always revolt and kill everyone running the government. This may contradict some of what I have just said, but basically any form of oligarchy works, as long as one politician doesn't get more than a few years of power.

fascism and communism are almost the same, its like jews and muslims, their premise of beleifs are almost the same, but they hate eachother.

happylittleClayFox · 12-28-2006, 11:44 PM

I feel good I started this thread. Napalm, I thought Lenin formed communism, or did he just canonize it?

MrNaPaLm32 · 12-29-2006, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happylittleClayFox

I feel good I started this thread. Napalm, I thought Lenin formed communism, or did he just canonize it?

Karl Marx created the platform for a communistic society. Lenin, well, he sorta promoted its use in Russia, until he was exiled by Stalin, who had a different view of communistic society.

Drunken_Shinobi · 12-29-2006, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrNaPaLm32

Karl Marx created the platform for a communistic society. Lenin, well, he sorta promoted its use in Russia, until he was exiled by Stalin, who had a different view of communistic society.

I don't think Lenin was exiled. I thought he died and then Trotsky and Stalin had a power struggle, then eventually Stalin won and exiled Trotsky.

MrNaPaLm32 · 12-30-2006, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drunken_Shinobi

I don't think Lenin was exiled. I thought he died and then Trotsky and Stalin had a power struggle, then eventually Stalin won and exiled Trotsky.

I don't even remember anymore.

diet poop · 01-01-2007, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drunken_Shinobi

I don't think Lenin was exiled. I thought he died and then Trotsky and Stalin had a power struggle, then eventually Stalin won and exiled Trotsky.

Yea, Lenin was never exiled, he died dude.

Drunken_Shinobi · 01-01-2007, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diet poop

Yea, Lenin was never exiled, he died dude.

Yeah, then Stalin had Trotsky killed later because Stalin saw Trotsky as a threat, even though he was exiled. Yep...Stalin was that paranoid.

Willy_Wonka · 01-01-2007, 05:11 PM

Set it and forget it!

Axel · 12-29-2006, 12:59 AM

He was the first one to put it to use. Then Chairman Mao and Joseph Stalin came along.

MrNaPaLm32 · 12-29-2006, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolitsaxel

He was the first one to put it to use. Then Chairman Mao and Joseph Stalin came along.

not really.

12-25-2006, 09:35 PM	#1
happylittleClayFox The Pied Piper of toads Tournaments Won: 3 Local Time: 09:49 PM Local Date: 05-23-2013 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Good luck. Age: 22 Posts: 3,537 Casino Cash: $52	Most Effective System of Government There are many types of government: Democratic Republic, Monarchy, Communism, Fascism, Dictatorship, Totalitarian State and Dynasties these are your choices. Effectiveness is not determined merely by the length of the system but by the progress made by those who use it. You could say Communist Russia was an effective government because it enabled them to become a world superpower. You can include fictional governments so long as you explain their progress. You can even pick Enron, they made tons of money simply by wasting customer money claiming it was developing and this sent their stocks through the roof, of course they got found out and assraped by the monkey of vengeful justice. I don't really care, it can be a short lived society that employed said form, so long as it made a mark on its consequent world.

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MrNaPaLm32 Banned Local Time: 06:49 PM Local Date: 05-23-2013 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Reno 911 Age: 22 Posts: 5,158 Casino Cash: $19561	I think an egalitarianistic autocratic totalitarian socio-republican society would be the best way to go.

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gwia Aussie Philosophy Local Time: 01:49 PM Local Date: 05-24-2013 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here and There Age: 20 Posts: 6,078 Casino Cash: $3774	I say Constituinal Monarchy, we have all the advantages and freedom of a democracy but also a garuntee that if our Prime Minister stuffs up to bad he gets sacked and we get a lot of help from another country to fix us up, like being a baby.

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happylittleClayFox The Pied Piper of toads Tournaments Won: 3 Local Time: 09:49 PM Local Date: 05-23-2013 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Good luck. Age: 22 Posts: 3,537 Casino Cash: $52	Depending on the leader any form could work but the best is probably a dynasty run with officials both from outside the country and within it, the Mongols ran China that way for a long time and were more successful than many of the previous regimes.

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Axel =D Local Time: 01:49 PM Local Date: 05-24-2013 Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 20 Posts: 5,842 Casino Cash: $5969	Hey I need someone to confirm this for me. Did Karl Marx invent Socialism or Communism?

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Natus Lumen Banned Local Time: 08:49 PM Local Date: 05-23-2013 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Partially inside your girlfriend Age: 20 Posts: 6,722 Casino Cash: $50	I think that, in small communities, or when used as a temporary solution to try and get an impoverished empire back on track, Communism works the best. On a large scale in a country where there are more educated people than there are idiots, like Ancient Greece, full out Democracy is the way to go. A Monarchy is just asking to be overthrown by someone else, as any idiot can just attack one place and take all the power. If you run a facist government, your people will inevitably start to hate your guts. Dictatorships and totalitarian governments just don't work, because the people will always revolt and kill everyone running the government. This may contradict some of what I have just said, but basically any form of oligarchy works, as long as one politician doesn't get more than a few years of power.

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