tell me your feelings about it

I guess I'm for it. I don't really care if someones gay or not, just as long as no guy tries to hit on me

AGAINST!!!

Marrige is a sacred bond between a man and a woman, same sex queers can be in a union together but not marrige.

We've had so many threads like this in the past...
AGAINST!!!
Marrige is a sacred bond between a man and a woman, same sex queers can be in a union together but not marrige.
Thats because it's against your religion, but can you give us a reason why it should be against the law? Give us a legitimate reason for the banning of gay marriage that does not have to do with religious or personal opinions.

I'm with Willy; I don't care whether or not someone is gay, just as long as I don't hafta see it/put up with it.

I'm with Willy; I don't care whether or not someone is gay, just as long as I don't hafta see it/put up with it.
I don't care if someones got a girlfriend/wife, I just don't wanna see it/put up with it.

Thats fair.

Thats fair.
What I'm trying to say is, do you believe that gay people should hide the fact that they have am partner of the opposite sex? It's not like they're gonna flaunt it.

No, I didn't say they should hide that they're gay, or have a gay partner. They can tell me they're married to another man if they want to; I just don't want to see them doing anything in front of me.
More than that though, I don't want a gay man to hit on me. Thats obliterating the line. XP

No, I didn't say they should hide that they're gay, or have a gay partner. They can tell me they're married to another man if they want to; I just don't want to see them doing anything in front of me.
More than that though, I don't want a gay man to hit on me. Thats obliterating the line. XP
Okay, I understand now. That stands true for straight couples as well, right? I just wasn't sure exactly what you meant.

I don't really care, just as they don't hit on me.

Learn english, please.

We've already been through this once and I already don't care about the whole gay marrige.

I don't care either way. As long as it doesn't hurt the economy.

I don't mind either way, if they want to marry each other, I won't try and stop them.

Okay, I understand now. That stands true for straight couples as well, right? I just wasn't sure exactly what you meant.
Right. I always put distance between myself and people who do more than hugging in public.

I'm going to take a guess and say that this belongs in my section.

Boomervii... just wondering. Why is it that all you ever want to do here is ask us personal questions? Are you some person from the media who's trying to find out how "today's youth thinks" or something?

Well you have stupid poll options and I am sure as hell for it, if some one loves some one gender should be no object.

It's not like your sexuality is a choice any way, you are born that way, and then when you find out about it yourself you have to hide it from your self and everyone around you and you do things to yourself so it will be less true.

Thats because it's against your religion, but can you give us a reason why it should be against the law? Give us a legitimate reason for the banning of gay marriage that does not have to do with religious or personal opinions.
There are none

What a suprise Frank is against all people having equal rights, not letting homosexuals have rights is like not letting Black People or women have rights.

What a suprise Frank is against all people having equal rights, not letting homosexuals have rights is like not letting Black People or women have rights.

No, It's something in the bible that says if you're gay, you just got a one way ticket to hell!

What a suprise Frank is against all people having equal rights, not letting homosexuals have rights is like not letting Black People or women have rights.

GWIA, I haven't even posted my opinion yet.
I do believe in human rights, but you know what else is happening? Gay Marriage was made legal in Canada as you know (you do know that right?), but the past liberal government that made it legal is also breaking human rights by passing this as law. The people that were affected by this the most were actually not pastors and what not, but the people who do a business of marrying people. When this bill passed, people who didn't believe in gay marriage were to either hold their nose and marry gay people or they would lose their marriage licence(See article 23). These people are being fired because of what they believe, is that not taking away a persons fundemental right to believe what they want to believe? Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers

Article 23.

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.

(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.

(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.

(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 30.

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.


This bill violates all of those rights.

This bill also opens the door for other problems. The bill states now that marriage is between any two persons. That is a very broad statement, and other groups could come along saying that they have the right to marry such as polygamists and adults wanting to marry children because it does state "between any two people". It is very dangerous and while, we might not see those things happen right away but they can and most likely will happen.

It's not like your sexuality is a choice any way, you are born that way, and then when you find out about it yourself you have to hide it from your self and everyone around you and you do things to yourself so it will be less true.
Well you could say that people who have a desire to look at child pornography have no choice because they were born that way. Thats all I have to say for now.
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No, It's something in the bible that says if you're gay, you just got a one way ticket to hell!

Umm, read the bible and you'll find out it doesn't say that.

I'm completely for it. Love is love. That's all that really matters. If you're not gay, that's good for you. It won't actually affect your life anyway. Nobody should have the right to keep other people who are in love from being together. Get over it. :]

Also, people who "look at child pornography" do so by choice. They weren't born like that. They messed their own minds up, and it's their problem. People who are gay don't choose it. It's how they're born.

Whether or not your straight is by choice. There has been no gene proven to make a person inherently straight or gay. It's mostly a choice affected by environment, how they were raised.
It's like any other mental/emotional facet of life. Sure, you could say that you are born smart...but if a dumb person studies, they can become smart; should the afore mention smart person not study, they would become stupid. It's all about choice and consequence, not predetermined fates.

Let the fags marry if they want to, it doesnt affect us.

Let the fags marry if they want to, it doesnt affect us.

That's a horrible thing to say. Or at least a horrible way of saying it.

Whether or not your straight is by choice. There has been no gene proven to make a person inherently straight or gay. It's mostly a choice affected by environment, how they were raised.
It's like any other mental/emotional facet of life. Sure, you could say that you are born smart...but if a dumb person studies, they can become smart; should the afore mention smart person not study, they would become stupid. It's all about choice and consequence, not predetermined fates.


I still believe they don't choose it. Even if you're right, it's not like they just wake up one day and say "hey, I think I'll date guys from now on. Yay! :]]]" It's not a conscious decision.

I say let the states/proviences decide if gays should marry or not.

I do believe in human rights, but you know what else is happening? Gay Marriage was made legal in Canada as you know (you do know that right?), but the past liberal government that made it legal is also breaking human rights by passing this as law. The people that were affected by this the most were actually not pastors and what not, but the people who do a business of marrying people. When this bill passed, people who didn't believe in gay marriage were to either hold their nose and marry gay people or they would lose their marriage licence(See article 23). These people are being fired because of what they believe, is that not taking away a persons fundemental right to believe what they want to believe?
This bill violates all of those rights.

Well, isn't it illegal to refuse service to a paying customer on account of their race, religion, personal beliefs, etc? Refusing to marry 2 gay people is the same thing as refusing to marry a black person to a white person. It is not taking away anyones right to believe what they want to believe, but they can't refuse someone just because of personal beliefs.
And even so, I would say that violating a persons right to get married and recieve all of the legal benefits of marriage is quite a bit worse than telling someone that they now have to marry same sex couples because it is a right that all american citizens should have.

This bill also opens the door for other problems. The bill states now that marriage is between any two persons. That is a very broad statement, and other groups could come along saying that they have the right to marry such as polygamists and adults wanting to marry children because it does state "between any two people". It is very dangerous and while, we might not see those things happen right away but they can and most likely will happen.
Well then that bill is poorly written. It should state that marriage is between two persons of legal age, unless the minor has the consent of their legal guardian. It should also say something along the lines of "An individual can only be legaly married to one person" to rule out the polygamy factor. It's a simple matter of rewriting the bill. I

Well, isn't it illegal to refuse service to a paying customer on account of their race, religion, personal beliefs, etc? Refusing to marry 2 gay people is the same thing as refusing to marry a black person to a white person.
Wow, just... wow.

GWIA, I haven't even posted my opinion yet.
I do believe in human rights, but you know what else is happening? Gay Marriage was made legal in Canada as you know (you do know that right?), but the past liberal government that made it legal is also breaking human rights by passing this as law. The people that were affected by this the most were actually not pastors and what not, but the people who do a business of marrying people. When this bill passed, people who didn't believe in gay marriage were to either hold their nose and marry gay people or they would lose their marriage licence(See article 23). These people are being fired because of what they believe, is that not taking away a persons fundemental right to believe what they want to believe?
This bill violates all of those rights.
Idiot. That is like saying a secretary doesnt have to type the word "and" because they just don't want to. It is part of their jobs to do something. You don't get to decide what to do and what not to do.

Unless it's what you believe is right to do for your own well-being...

Idiot. That is like saying a secretary doesnt have to type the word "and" because they just don't want to. It is part of their jobs to do something. You don't get to decide what to do and what not to do.

So are you saying we have no right to have freedom of choice and belief? oh and by the way comparing something like the gay marriage issue to someone not wanting to type out "and" is truly a stupid argument, and also another thing, these people were qualified to work before this bill was passed and then are not qualified. I don't think that is fair and has anyone ever heard of the grandfather clause?
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Well then that bill is poorly written. It should state that marriage is between two persons of legal age, unless the minor has the consent of their legal guardian. It should also say something along the lines of "An individual can only be legaly married to one person" to rule out the polygamy factor. It's a simple matter of rewriting the bill. I

The bill has already been passed in Canada...

Whether or not your straight is by choice. There has been no gene proven to make a person inherently straight or gay. It's mostly a choice affected by environment, how they were raised.
It's like any other mental/emotional facet of life. Sure, you could say that you are born smart...but if a dumb person studies, they can become smart; should the afore mention smart person not study, they would become stupid. It's all about choice and consequence, not predetermined fates.
What kind of moron would choose to be different?

Wow, just... wow.
What well it's true

Why be gay other than personal reasons? If everyone was gay, the world's population would be non existant in one generation....

I don't think it's a conscious decision, but more of a realization. You don't conciously say, "Hey, I'm gay!", and be done with it. I don't see why you guys would think that. It's like...er...how to explain it...
I would say it's probably the same as how a person realizes their not gay. As you grow up, you experiment with your feelings and emotions; the results of these experiments affect your orientation, slowly but surely. The way you were raised affects how you will feel towards the end of an experiment.
Thats about the best I can do; if you still don't get it, then you'll need to ask someone else.

What kind of moron would choose to be different?

People that have freedom of speech, opinion, etc.

What kind of moron would choose to be different?

Why are people so afraid of being different?

Frank, if you truly believe that someone with a marriage license should be able to refuse a homosexual couple marriage based on nothing more than personal opinion, you're alienating every homosexual on the planet and basically saying one belief is better than the other. Doesn't the Bible teach us to be tolerant?

In summation, open your eyes and see that what you are saying is actually MORE restrictive to freedom of choice and belief than what you are arguing against.

What well it's true
Oh, do go on. Enlighten me.

The bill has already been passed in Canada...
Can't they make an amendment or something.

Why are people so afraid of being different?
Because people hate and kill things that are different.

Oh, do go on. Enlighten me.
Diet Poop put it in as simple terms as it's gonna get, refusing to marry two people of the same sex is exactly the same as refusing to marry people of different races.

Ah well. Even if you're gay or not, we all can enjoy a good round of www.leekspin.com

EDIT: I just noticed, the numbers in the votes are exactly even

Oh, do go on. Enlighten me.
Nicky...what are you talking about?

I don't really understand what the poll is asking, I thought it was talking about our own sexual preferences, but unless diet poop, lolitsaxel and guess who are all gay then I guess it's something else.

Edit: Crud, I just realized I have 3000 posts.

Nicky...what are you talking about?
Alright then, i'll ask you:

How is it that refusing to marry a couple of two different races, or even a certain same race is the same as refusing to marry a gay couple? That's just absurd! And yeah for the record or whatever I don't care if a gay couple is gay blah blah blah... but come on. Let's be rationable. As you may know, I did not make a concious descision to be black, oh i'm sorry, "African-American" (not that that's a bad thing on my part). Don't even try to come at me with that "But gay people don't chose to be gay either!" load of bull. It happens all the time. Paranoia (by no means is that a personal attack in the slightest essence) is a perfect example of this. People choose to be STRAIGHT, do they not? How is being gay any different? And since it's on the opposite of the original design, gay people work far harder to be gay than straight people to be straight. Except for the few rarities of society who were actually BORN a homosexual due to some abnormality in their hormones.

We've had so many threads like this in the past...
Thats because it's against your religion, but can you give us a reason why it should be against the law? Give us a legitimate reason for the banning of gay marriage that does not have to do with religious or personal opinions.

That defeats the purpose of all opinions...but ok: Our Founding Forfathers didn't allow it so we shouldn't now. Same with abortion.

Besides, who's to say that "religion" (will you just SAY Christianity already??? You're not fooling ANYONE!) doesn't collide with the law? Hello, the laws that were written were principles from the Bible. Were not our founding fathers devout Christian men themselves?

Alright then, i'll ask you:
How is it that refusing to marry a couple of two different races, or even a certain same race is the same as refusing to marry a gay couple? That's just absurd! And yeah for the record or whatever I don't care if a gay couple is gay blah blah blah... but come on. Let's be rationable. As you may know, I did not make a concious descision to be black, oh i'm sorry, "African-American" (not that that's a bad thing on my part). Don't even try to come at me with that "But gay people don't chose to be gay either!" load of bull. It happens all the time. Paranoia (by no means is that a personal attack in the slightest essence) is a perfect example of this. People choose to be STRAIGHT, do they not? How is being gay any different? And since it's on the opposite of the original design, gay people work far harder to be gay than straight people to be straight. Except for the few rarities of society who were actually BORN a homosexual due to some abnormality in their hormones.
Well, I never made the concious descision to be straight, I mean, I wouldn't be able to be sexually attracted to another man if I even wanted to, but i seem to have developed that way I there is nothing that I can do to change that. Think about it nicky, would you be able to choose to be sexually attracted to another woman? No, I doubt it. It's because the part of our brain that deals with sexual attraction is burried deep in our subconcious, it is beyond our control. Does a male choose to become sexually aroused when he sees a woman naked? The answer is no, it just happens. Now how in the hell can a man make the concious decision to become aroused at the sight of a naked man? I know that no matter how long I stare at a naked man and tell myself to become sexually aroused, I would never be able to do it. Do you see what I'm getting at here?
That defeats the purpose of all opinions...but ok: Our Founding Forfathers didn't allow it so we shouldn't now. Same with abortion.
Our founding fathers didn't allow women to vote, or to own land, or basically have any rights at all. I agree with you, our founding fathers didn't allow it then, it shouldn't be allowed now.
The same goes for black people, our founding fathers didn't let them have any freedom back in the 1700's, and I don't want to see some negro piece of dirt going around being equal to me, they should be doing my laundry.
(If you are stupid enough to take offence at this, consider shooting yourself in the face!)
Besides, who's to say that "religion" (will you just SAY Christianity already??? You're not fooling ANYONE!) doesn't collide with the law? Hello, the laws that were written were principles from the Bible. Were not our founding fathers devout Christian men themselves?
Don't you realize that what you just said is against everything America is supposed to stand for? We have a thing called a separation of church and state. Our laws are supposed to be based upon what is fair and just for all, not what some 2000 year old book about the christian god says. Even so, saying that our government is somewhat influenced by christianity is not any sort of reasonalbe argument as to that it SHOULD be.
1:"Religion shouldn't influence government"
2:"Well it does anyway!"
1:"Oh, well I guess we'll just give in then."
That's the argument you just proposed.
PS: Ben Franklin was an atheist. In fact, he was a member of the hellfire club, a society that mainly ridiculed christianity. Take note that his personal beliefs against christianity had no effect on his ability to found our country on Freedom or religion, freedom of speech, and all that good stuff.

Anyhow, this comes from a 15 year old who, no offense, has not been brought up with the best morals and ethics.
Law isn't just law. it is affected by everything else in the world just as everything else is. It may be written down that there is a separation of Church and state, but in actuality-opinions are what make everyone different and alike-they are together by means of political leader influence.

Anyhow, this comes from a 15 year old who, no offense, has not been brought up with the best morals and ethics.
Law isn't just law. it is affected by everything else in the world just as everything else is. It may be written down that there is a separation of Church and state, but in actuality-opinions are what make everyone different and alike-they are together by means of political leader influence.
What is your point exactly? Do you have one? Are you rambling? Are you trying to sound smart without actually saying anything? Explain yourself. Also, our government is based on a policy, and that police should be kept. Religion shouldn't have a large effect on our government, thats not to say that it doesn't, but it deffinatly shouldn't.

What are you saying I haven't been brought up with the best morals and ethics? Who are you to judge my perfactly reasonable morals and ethics? Who are you to judge my completly reasonable belief that Christianity should not form the basis of our government? Is believing that all people should have equal rights bad ethics?

Religion (especially Christianity) tries to prevent equal rights and prevent human progress. If it wasn't for religion there wouldn't be nearly as many wars as there have been in the past.

This reminds me of an old African proverb, "A mans ways are good in his own eyes."

I have a better idea: No sex for anyone, except for 1 week in the year set aside for nothing but sex. Condoms will be dropped from planes during that week.

I have a better idea: No sex for anyone, except for 1 week in the year set aside for nothing but sex. Condoms will be dropped from planes during that week.
But then we'll have a big problem with buying millions of birthday presents during the same week.

You guys really can fight about stuff like this. O.o
Anyway, I think I agree with everything DP has said.
I don't know why, but it all makes sense to me the most.
I don't really feel like typing it all out when it's already here,
so I'll just shorten the process and say I agree with DP.
:]]

Don't even try to come at me with that "But gay people don't chose to be gay either!" load of bull. It happens all the time. Paranoia (by no means is that a personal attack in the slightest essence) is a perfect example of this. People choose to be STRAIGHT, do they not?
Paranoia never really was gay, he said he was for attention there's a difference.

How is being gay any different?
Because you aren't just like everyone else, and nobody wants to be different in high school.

Yes this thread has made me respect DP again, and Metal Candy Cane would probably say the same stuff because she is just a female DP.

nobody wants to be different in high school.
Shut up.

I don't need to explain anything. Everything is "perfactly" clear.

Man my name is so dumb. "I agree with willy" pwahahahaha

Paranoia never really was gay, he said he was for attention there's a difference.
You're half-right. I'm still gay, I lied so I could undo the damage from being an attention whore.


But then we'll have a big problem with buying millions of birthday presents during the same week.
What's wrong with that? Businesses willl know when to stock up products for when the "sex week" comes. And if you forget someone's birthday, there is a 1/7 chance you will get it right by simply guessing.

Shut up.
no.

no.
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What's wrong with that? Businesses willl know when to stock up products for when the "sex week" comes. And if you forget someone's birthday, there is a 1/7 chance you will get it right by simply guessing.
Haha, I'm making that into a gprime holiday now, "Sex week".

Gprime...holiday?

Haha, I'm making that into a gprime holiday now, "Sex week".
I'm up for it.

Just what would you do?

Just what would you do?
It would be one of those holidays that is observed, not really celebrated.

We could make it a week dedicated to sexual euphemisms.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wikisaurus:sexual_intercourse

Is this a debate or what?lol

I am not opposed to gay marriage. Now tell me how wrong I am. Don't be afraid to tell me I am living my life incorrectly for not immediately placing my faith in some form of organized religion.

Right... whatever.

Haha, I'm making that into a gprime holiday now, "Sex week".
That sounds great.
Is this a debate or what?lol
Not anymore I believe.

Umm I would just like to point out that most people largely misinterpret the meaning of "seperation of church and state." People just throw around the phrase when they don't want to accept the fact that the majority of American people have some sort of religious conviction, whether it be against gay marraige or some other issue.
The concept of seperation of church and state is not even in the Constitution, it was mentioned in a letter by Thomas Jefferson regarding the First Amendment. In fact, his motive was to protect the sovereignty of the church from the state, not the other way around. The First Amendment reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Take from this what you may, but "seperation of church and state" does not automatically cancel out religious influence. Sorry.

Umm I would just like to point out that most people largely misinterpret the meaning of "seperation of church and state." People just throw around the phrase when they don't want to accept the fact that the majority of American people have some sort of religious conviction, whether it be against gay marraige or some other issue.
The concept of seperation of church and state is not even in the Constitution, it was mentioned in a letter by Thomas Jefferson regarding the First Amendment. In fact, his motive was to protect the sovereignty of the church from the state, not the other way around. The First Amendment reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Take from this what you may, but "seperation of church and state" does not automatically cancel out religious influence. Sorry.
It goes both ways, watch. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

It doesn't rule our religious influence, nothing can stop people from being influenced by religion, but the phrase does mean exactly what people think it does.

Just... how many discussions are we going to have about gay rights? It's the same thing every freaking time.

Agreed. Let's close the dammed thread and keep new gay rights threads from popping up.

Agreed. Let's close the dammed thread and keep new gay rights threads from popping up.
Good idea.