There have been a few shows about this, and there is pretty sufficient evidence, so let the debating begin.

Here. (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons)

yeah, its totally moronic. I debated the hardcore democrats in the "president bush is an asshole group" and got a few to give up.

Here. (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons)
Look asswipe, if a plane hits a building, the building falls to the side, BUT the world trade centers fell through the center, which suggests that there were explosives. Also, there were survivors who said that they heard a missile, and knew that explosives had been set off in the building.

Look asswipe, if a plane hits a building, the building falls to the side, BUT the world trade centers fell through the center, which suggests that there were explosives. Also, there were survivors who said that they heard a missile, and knew that explosives had been set off in the building.

I still don't think it's set-up.

Look asswipe, if a plane hits a building, the building falls to the side, BUT the world trade centers fell through the center, which suggests that there were explosives. Also, there were survivors who said that they heard a missile, and knew that explosives had been set off in the building.What are you talking about? The WTC towers were built by a completely new archicectural design to alow more space. Theres a COMPLETELY logical explaniation.

You see, theres a "core" to the WTC towers, housing the elevators, stairs, and yes...the main building supports. what happens when a 70,000 pound aircraft traveling at 500mph, slams into a bunch of cubicle partitions and office papers? It flies right through it, like a knife through butter. What does the aircraft hit? The core of the WTC of course. What happens when the main structural suppors of the building fails? it falls down...where are the main structural supports located? Why...the center of course...

If you want any more points of that consipracy theory explained in logical terms. Please, ask.

The plane wasn't that big, for one. And it flew threw the side, not the centre.

The plane wasn't that big, for one. And it flew threw the side, not the centre.

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Look asswipe, if a plane hits a building, the building falls to the side, BUT the world trade centers fell through the center, which suggests that there were explosives. Also, there were survivors who said that they heard a missile, and knew that explosives had been set off in the building.
I just lost some respect for you.

The plane wasn't that big, for one. And it flew threw the side, not the centre.

It went though the side, hit the center were the supports were, and fell to the center.

It went though the side, hit the center were the supports were, and fell to the center.thank you.

not to be hated or nething....but i dont really care about what happened...it happened and thats that...cant change the past by debating about wheather it was a set up or not.....btw did the fbi or whatever find evidence of explosives?

not to be hated or nething....but i dont really care about what happened...it happened and thats that...cant change the past by debating about wheather it was a set up or not.....btw did the fbi or whatever find evidence of explosives?you try and find evidence of explosives in 300 million tons of rubble with jet fuel and other substances in the utilities room screwing with your results.

The title of this thread should be "Did the government set up 9/11?". Just to avoid any confusion.

I just lost some respect for you.
What did I do now?

you try and find evidence of explosives in 300 million tons of rubble with jet fuel and other substances in the utilities room screwing with your results.

hey i was only asking......you got to remember i live in the uk and the news was probably on alot more in the u.s.
mebe you heard more than i have....but as i said before i dont really care about it

you try and find evidence of explosives in 300 million tons of rubble with jet fuel and other substances in the utilities room screwing with your results.
Ok, I have to believe you there.

There can possibly no conspiracy, I'm sure all that jet fuel would give extra power to the explosion of the crash in the World Trade Center, so there's no explosives on the plane. If there was then the building might have fallen apart faster, much faster.

How could it be possible to plant explosives in the WTC without people noticing you lug around a bomb, and then plant it.

How could it be possible to plant explosives in the WTC without people noticing you lug around a bomb, and then plant it.Government...

The hijackers purposefully took over the planes on a long flight since they had more jet fuel, if they hadn't have done that there wouldn't have been as many deaths.

Why the hell would our government want to destroy the WTC?

I know how to get my approval ratings up! Why don't I kill over 2000 people, destroy two great American landmarks, and make airport security so tight that people will miss their flights way more often!

DUHHHHHHHH Diet poop. Sarcasm

oooooohhhhh yeeeeeaaaaaaa...

Unfortunately some idiot out there actually agrees with that.

Unfortunately some idiot out there actually agrees with that.actually, most of the democrats I debated with in the "president bush is an asshole" almost all aggreed.

Why the hell would our government want to destroy the WTC?
Money.

uhh.. you live in austrailia. Why do you care?

Money.Please, explain your reasoning.

Unfortunately some idiot out there actually agrees with that.

Did you read the Maddox artical I posted?

Gee Axel, considering the Government is in controll of all our money... why would they need to bomb their own people to get it? Besides, where would the money come from as a result of destroying two of some of the most expensive buildings in the world, and then replacing it with a completely new design?

The whole "9/11" conspiricy is thinking it's a theory, then trying to build evidence behind it. No other reason. Some WANT it to be staged by the US, nothing more.

Please, explain your reasoning.
WTC gets blown up, then GWB blames Osama Bin Laden, then starts a war, then gets War taxes.

Well according to Democrats and Liberals, the majority is always correct, so the conspiricy theorists lose.lol. I'm to tired to say anything on this topic considering its 12 am and I should get to bed, but I can give you logical reasons tomorrow...


Ps. If you believe the WTC was a setup, why do you want it so bad to be the truth?

And also, you dont live in this freakin country!!! The US has a net worth of over 6.5 trillion dollars. The government is in control of alot of that. Why would they blow up a building? For war taxes? What are you stupid?

WTC gets blown up, then GWB blames Osama Bin Laden, then starts a war, then gets War taxes.first off, you dont need a terrorsit attack to start a war. we could just have reasonable evidense that he's PLANNING an attack and he could get congress to go to war. And GWB hasn't raised taxes, he's kept his promice, unlike his father.

*promise

Besides, the only reason people think that our President is so terrible at his job is because his Pappa and Billy did such a crappy job. He's the one who has to fix everything (to his best human abilities).

Bill Clinton was a great president, stfu.

Bill Clinton slept with everyone in the Oval Office and denied it. Other than that though...he was okay. As for the whole 9/11 conspiracy, I don't find any possibility that there actually is one. It just sounds like a hoax.

I thought he only slept with Monica Lewinsky? And he was a great person, read his autobiography "My Life, Bill Clinton".

Well, I was kind of over-exaggerating on the part where he slept with the Oval Office. But he did try to get it on with other people, other than Monica Lewinsky.

Bill Clinton kicked ass, but lolits doesn't have a leg to stand on.
1. You never lived in this country
2. You're being an idiot. Our government was not behind 9/11 no matter who wants to believe it. Its just idiotic.

Ok, ok. I'm going to have to take everything back. Dammit, why did I have to be so gullible and "believe" people in my classes. I knew it from the start, no person would kill that many people for money, no matter how idiotic they are.

Also the fact that it wouldn't make any money anyways, it would just make our country lose money.

Bill Clinton was a great president, stfu.
It was his fault that we didn't see 9/11 coming in the first place. Sure, he did good things I suppose. So maybe I should have rephrased and said that he did a crappy job protecting the country.

He was the one who told GWB to go after Osama Bin Laden in the first place, and worry about Saddam later. But noooo, GWB was too stuck up to listen and that's why 9/11 happened.

Weather or not either of us are right (which I slightly doubt both ways), why does this even matter? Who cares who's "fault" it supposedly was (yeah yeah I take back the thing I said about Billy), the important thing here is that it happened, and it was terrible that it did.

Bill Clinton kicked ass, but lolits doesn't have a leg to stand on.
I hope you don't mean he kicked ass because he was like a player. I don't think he was a bad president during his term, but it was kind of a bad image for him when he had an affair with Monica Lewinsky.

Bill Clinton was okay i guess. I wonder what the country would be like if it were run by al gore.....

I hope you don't mean he kicked ass because he was like a player. I don't think he was a bad president during his term, but it was kind of a bad image for him when he had an affair with Monica Lewinsky.
No, I mean he kicked ass as a president. But lets face it people, who would you rather have run your country (and I'm not trying to make a crack at Bush here)
an innept moron or a guy who got a blowjob?

A guy who got a blowjob, it shows he's smart enough to get one from a girl.

A guy who got a blowjob, it shows he's smart enough to get one from a girl.
Can you say "non sequitur"?

Oui, oui je parle francais. And my post was logical, I was answering your question. Va te faire foutre!

You were answering my question, but you answered it with a logical fallacy. You're saying "Bill Clinton got a blowjob from a woman, therefore everyone else is stupid and gay"

George bush has 2 hot duahgters, he wins

You were answering my question, but you answered it with a logical fallacy. You're saying "Bill Clinton got a blowjob from a woman, therefore everyone else is stupid and gay"
I said he was smart enough to get a blowjob from a woman, but I didn't say he was smarter than everyone else who didn't.

No, I mean he kicked ass as a president. But lets face it people, who would you rather have run your country (and I'm not trying to make a crack at Bush here)
an innept moron or a guy who got a blowjob?
I choose...."or". Just kidding, well I'd choose Bill Clinton over Bush obviously, Clinton was a pretty good president.

First if all, I am new to these forums, but not new to the 9/11 conciparcy thoery topic. There are many reasons for the destruction of the WTC by our government, but first i must ask one question and then i will enlighten all of you on this topic and probably leave these forums after i have done what is needed.
Does anyone on these froums know what the illuminati is(and i mean the truth not a mix of lies)?

What seems to be forgotten here is that he already HAD A WIFE. So there was no need for any other woman.

this is a pointless arguement. You can't argue with the ignorant. You must understand something, if you truly belive something is true then state your point, if they ask for proof give it to them, explain the proof, and then have a discussion. If they continue to argue with them just tell them that your belief is truth, and agrueing over it doesn't change its truth.

That all being said, I know that 9/11 was an inside job, and the reason that this matters, to answer the earlier question, is to stop it form happening again. "He who controls the present, control the past. He who controls the past controls the future." For the british people, i am surprised you don't recognize what is happening. It is the begining of the Orwellian '84.

Now, before i go further on why 9/11 is an inside job, i need to know one question. Do the people posting here know of the illuminati, what they were nad are today, and what they are doing?(please post so i can enighten you all to the truth)

Err, I thought the Illuminati disbanded ages ago.

By the way, Weapons of Mass Destruction WERE found durring a search recently. Enough to whipe out the earth quite a few times.

The extremests who attacked the 2 towers believe that the ENTIRE western hemesphere needs to be destroyed for their cause. Taking lightly to the threat of a possible global apocolyps could have been desasterous.

Even if we didn't find anything, there was the threat. Not going would have been suicide.

About the topic spacifically, Bush was only in office for about 9 months. If anything it would have been Clinton's "people" for lack of better terms.

I feel as if I've said this before...

What seems to be forgotten here is that he already HAD A WIFE. So there was no need for any other woman.
Does that mean he can't have an affair? I mean it's not against the law but it sure isn't good for the president's image.

Ah well, that can't be as bad as GWB sr. tripping over when walking on a stage.

Wow, tripping or sleeping with someone doesn't change who they are as a president.

Also, to answer the only one who responded to me earlier, no they did not disband, the illuminati is very real today.

Another thing, we have been over in Iraq for about 5 years. Just now weapons of mass destruction are found? Does anyone besides me see somethign odd about that? And if you say "they were hid well in the bunkers" or some remark. Hitler was to in WWII but we found out he was dead in a hell of a lot less than 5 years, and that was with bad communication.

The illuminati is a mysterious organization that supposedly secretly controls world affairs. They supposedly "enlighten" people, but really they're just a conspiracy organization.

I don't know why anyone is arguing about this. Our government did not destroy the world trade center and nobody can prove otherwise. Its simply not true. Do you really think that the government concealed it so well that it never leaked from an inside source, yet some random college student was able to figure this all out from some crappy video footage and no real knowledge about building materials or structural integrity? If it the government was behind 9/11, it would have been leaked by someone associated with the government, not "deduced" by a nerdy twenty year old.

WTC gets blown up, then GWB blames Osama Bin Laden, then starts a war, then gets War taxes.
wow...what an idiot.

Does that mean he can't have an affair? I mean it's not against the law but it sure isn't good for the president's image.
I was just angry at how you guys are proud of him for having the affair. That's just despicable.

I was just angry at how you guys are proud of him for having the affair. That's just despicable.
Who said we were proud of him for having an affair? We were just saying that him having an affair is nothing out of the ordinary, millions of people cheat on their spouses all the time.

He was the one who told GWB to go after Osama Bin Laden in the first place, and worry about Saddam later. But noooo, GWB was too stuck up to listen and that's why 9/11 happened.You'e kidding right? Osama was a problem during the Clinton Presidency as well, President Bush was well aware of them problem when he took office.

The illuminati is a mysterious organization that supposedly secretly controls world affairs. They supposedly "enlighten" people, but really they're just a conspiracy organization.Not really.

Who said we were proud of him for having an affair? We were just saying that him having an affair is nothing out of the ordinary, millions of people cheat on their spouses all the time.
... true. And I guess I was kinda jumping to conlusions.

You'e kidding right? Osama was a problem during the Clinton Presidency as well, President Bush was well aware of them problem when he took office.
Read Bill Clinton's autobiography and you'll find out.

The illuminati is a mysterious organization that supposedly secretly controls world affairs. They supposedly "enlighten" people, but really they're just a conspiracy organization.
I don't know why anyone is arguing about this. Our government did not destroy the world trade center and nobody can prove otherwise. Its simply not true. Do you really think that the government concealed it so well that it never leaked from an inside source, yet some random college student was able to figure this all out from some crappy video footage and no real knowledge about building materials or structural integrity? If it the government was behind 9/11, it would have been leaked by someone associated with the government, not "deduced" by a nerdy twenty year old.
That did kind of remind me what Barron was trying to do some other time. He was trying to IM me while I was away, I think he wanted to "enlighten" me about the whole 9/11 conspiracy.

He pmed me about it.

I guess he wanted to convert us....

Read Bill Clinton's autobiography and you'll find out."autobiography" is the key word.

Haha... well if someone else did it, it wouldn't be as detailed.

Or accurate... actually, I take that back. This is Bill Clinton we're talking about.

What the hell have you got against Bill CLinton?

I'm not going to answer that.

Republican!!!!!!!!!

Bill Clinton is cooler than you

Republican!!!!!!!!!
I'm not a republican.

What the hell have you got against Bill CLinton?
Oh come on man, it was a fact he got down with Monica Lewinsky and denied it on National Television when everyone found out.

But apart from that, he was a great president.

Can you please name what made him so much better than the other presidents?

He's a great leader, he's intelligent, articulate, fair and overall a much better president than George W Bush.

Quit lying about were you live then.

He's a great leader, he's intelligent, articulate, fair and overall a much better president than George W Bush.
What made him a great leader, intelligent, articulate, fair, etc...

He's a great leader, he's intelligent, articulate, fair and overall a much better president than George W Bush.
Am I correct in thinking you live in Australia?

I'll let you figure that one out for yourself.

I guess the always easy anser is no.

those who said i was trying to convert you, i wasn't. Just trying to get you to open your minds to all theories. you haven't even heard all theories and each one of you sits here and defends your own. And as far as myself, i am not going to try and sit here and convince anyone of anything. The truth is what it is. There is no changing that. Either the United States government orcastrated the attacks the occurred on September 11th, 2001; or they refused to act upon the 100s and 100s of documents that were handed to them prior to the attacks.
If any of you know US law, it is called conspiracy to commit murder if they odered the attacks(actually they could be charged with murder1) and it is crimminally negligent homicide if they just neglected the information they had(actually both of these are the minimums that they would be charged with).

The evidence exists that they knew. That is fact. Either way they are criminally resposible for the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians.

Your people's ignorance is what will allow our government to begin
Marshal Law. Anyone here that knows what that is knows we are only steps away from it happening. We are allowing our libertys and freedoms to be taken away just for the false impression of safety.

I smell a conspiracy.

those who said i was trying to convert you, i wasn't. Just trying to get you to open your minds to all theories. you haven't even heard all theories and each one of you sits here and defends your own. And as far as myself, i am not going to try and sit here and convince anyone of anything. The truth is what it is. There is no changing that. Either the United States government orcastrated the attacks the occurred on September 11th, 2001; or they refused to act upon the 100s and 100s of documents that were handed to them prior to the attacks.
If any of you know US law, it is called conspiracy to commit murder if they odered the attacks(actually they could be charged with murder1) and it is crimminally negligent homicide if they just neglected the information they had(actually both of these are the minimums that they would be charged with).
The evidence exists that they knew. That is fact. Either way they are criminally resposible for the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians.
Your people's ignorance is what will allow our government to begin
Marshal Law. Anyone here that knows what that is knows we are only steps away from it happening. We are allowing our libertys and freedoms to be taken away just for the false impression of safety.
You don't post often, but when you do... you talk way too much.

Agreed.

those who said i was trying to convert you, i wasn't. Just trying to get you to open your minds to all theories. you haven't even heard all theories and each one of you sits here and defends your own. And as far as myself, i am not going to try and sit here and convince anyone of anything. The truth is what it is. There is no changing that. Either the United States government orcastrated the attacks the occurred on September 11th, 2001; or they refused to act upon the 100s and 100s of documents that were handed to them prior to the attacks.
If any of you know US law, it is called conspiracy to commit murder if they odered the attacks(actually they could be charged with murder1) and it is crimminally negligent homicide if they just neglected the information they had(actually both of these are the minimums that they would be charged with).

The evidence exists that they knew. That is fact. Either way they are criminally resposible for the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians.

Your people's ignorance is what will allow our government to begin
Marshal Law. Anyone here that knows what that is knows we are only steps away from it happening. We are allowing our libertys and freedoms to be taken away just for the false impression of safety.you must be joking, I've seen loose change around 4 times. I always make it a point to understand both sides before arguing about something.

Your people's ignorance is what will allow our government to begin
Marshal Law. Anyone here that knows what that is knows we are only steps away from it happening. We are allowing our libertys and freedoms to be taken away just for the false impression of safety.lol...Again, congress has to allow the president to declare martial law, but sure, we're obviously very close to martial law, especially with all the riots and civil disorder.

those who said i was trying to convert you, i wasn't. Just trying to get you to open your minds to all theories. you haven't even heard all theories and each one of you sits here and defends your own. And as far as myself, i am not going to try and sit here and convince anyone of anything. The truth is what it is. There is no changing that. Either the United States government orcastrated the attacks the occurred on September 11th, 2001; or they refused to act upon the 100s and 100s of documents that were handed to them prior to the attacks.
If any of you know US law, it is called conspiracy to commit murder if they odered the attacks(actually they could be charged with murder1) and it is crimminally negligent homicide if they just neglected the information they had(actually both of these are the minimums that they would be charged with).
The evidence exists that they knew. That is fact. Either way they are criminally resposible for the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians.
Your people's ignorance is what will allow our government to begin
Marshal Law. Anyone here that knows what that is knows we are only steps away from it happening. We are allowing our libertys and freedoms to be taken away just for the false impression of safety.
I feel less enlightened reading this.

I still don't think it's set-up.
I don´t think it is eighther...

Am I correct in thinking you live in Australia?
He's a poor excuse for an australian, he should learn we don't care about your politics or your people.

I found out that 15% of our population in Australia were born in Asia and most of them live in Sydney and Melbourne and Canberra and Perth and Brisbane and Adelaide... They generally stay in the cities on the main land, they're smart because they stay away from Tasmania, they just fuck up our roads (joking axel)

Only the dumb ones and the drug dealers. My parents, on the other hand, are good drivers and are smart people.

I'm not sure whats happening here... we live in a democratic republic and Pres. Bush was elected for both of his 4 year terms, the second election taking place while we were knee deep in Iraq. So sure we can gripe, or you can gripe, but IF the majority of the population believes that G.W. Bush is the best guy available, whats the problem? Suck it up.

I find it very ridiculous to believe that he planned a conspiracy against us.

Peter Griffin is the one behind the war in Iraq.

ok, i dont feel like reading all of the posts, so heres a run down, the world trade center building were the only buildings in the world actually built to withstand a plane impact, the jet fuel couldnt burn hot enough to melt steel, the fires werent burning long enough to melt steel, the steel stayed in a molten state for weeks after the event, the government made no attempt to intercept the planes even though they were aware of them being hijacked, supposedly any aircraft that could have been able to intercept them were doing "drills", guess what they were practicing... intercepting hijacked aircraft, wtc building 7 was not hit by a plane, had very small fires do to the collapse of the the two larger buildings (confined to a small section on one side over two floors) its literally impossible that a plane hit the pentagon(strangely enough, on the one side remodeled to withstand bombing) the passengers of flight 93 could not have made phone calls in the air, to high, too fast, it is possible to replicate someones voice, donald rumsfield even said flight 93 was shotdown, probably a freudian slip

there is no direct evidence that the government took part in making 9/11 happen, but there is no room for doubt that they LET IT HAPPEN

ever heard of PINAC? (panel "something" for a new american century)

it was a thinktank with rumsfield, cheney and bush in it, before bush became president, they put out a paper saying that america needs a new pearl harbor (how many times has bush called 9/11 a new pearl habor? anyone got one of those little clicker things?) as cause for invasion of the middle east to gain control of oil supplies


btw, i wrote all this off the top of my head, but it is all fact, look it up, dont reply until you do

uhhh okay. read this

why

would

president

bush

destroy

his

own

people

and

his

buildings?

I mean, its not like we're making money off of the war in Iraq like we did in Vietnam.

And I dont believe that steel could remain molten for a few days. You ARE right on how hot jet fuel burns and steel melts, but wouldnt it be like...


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and then the plane hits the building with so much force, that the steel struts break and collapse on top of eachother and then causing the entire building to collapse in on itself and the upper levels crushing the lower levels.
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Look asswipe, if a plane hits a building, the building falls to the side, BUT the world trade centers fell through the center, which suggests that there were explosives. Also, there were survivors who said that they heard a missile, and knew that explosives had been set off in the building.

Look, asswipe, if your gonna call someone an asswipe, get your facts right. Buildings DO NOT fall to the side when hit by a plane. The plane went through the building because it is a JET. they move FAST. its not like a little block tower hit with a toy plane, things can actually go THROUGH buildings
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sorry about the triple omega posting, the edit button isnt working on my computer. Does anyone know what type of plane it was. I believe axel said it wasnt that big. Wasnt it a 747 or something?

did you even read my post?

what post? (yes i did, im just being an ass)

I was talking to axel

Monk, you fail to realize that the buildings didn't colapse because the jet fuel burning melted the internal structure and what-not, they colapsed because they were hit by a fucking AIRPLANE. Sure the steel can withstand the temperatures, but when something big (aka, an airplane) hits it with enough force (aka, the speed that airplanes come crashing out of the sky with) steel bends and snaps and breaks.

Steel melts at 1525° C while the Jet fuel burns at 825° C; at only 648 ° C, Steel loses half of it's strength being the reason the World Trade Center collapsed. "Loose Change" is pure propaganda from people who hate the United States and the Bush Administration.

Close thread now.

Will do good buddy, oh and Napalm can you PM me proof of the architectural design of the building, I just wanna see for myself. Oh and my friend said the World Trade Center was built with steel that was 600% redundant =/.