Someone explain to me why Creationism is superior to Evolution.

It isn't. We have proof to back up evolution. for creationism, nothing at all.

It isn't. We have proof to back up evolution. for creationism, nothing at all.
except faith, and a feeling that someone somewhere is looking out for us and protecting us and no matter how bad or crummy we feel someone loves us, something other than our parents something athiests don't have

It isn't. We have proof to back up evolution. for creationism, nothing at all.
BZZZZT. There is some proof behind Creationism, but not much. The one I always mention is the dinosaur and human footprint in the same sedimentary layer. *This one also helps disprove Evolution*.

except faith, and a feeling that someone somewhere is looking out for us and protecting us and no matter how bad or crummy we feel someone loves us, something other than our parents something athiests don't haveI dont feel like killing myself because im alone in the universe. Its a common misconception of Atheism. I dont feel depressed because the entire primate order evolved form the same ancestor. Another thing about a lot of christians i have found is they are very unknowledgable on evolution.

Im glad its just those god botherers at the bible belt who have this problem- they are so close minded that living proof cannot stop them from accepting the fact that life adapts to suit its surroundings, otherwise we would have all died out long ago.

except faith, and a feeling that someone somewhere is looking out for us and protecting us and no matter how bad or crummy we feel someone loves us, something other than our parents something athiests don't have
We have faith in science! If god can't make miracles, science can! There'll soon be very little that god can do that science can't.

Still, I don't trust those men in white coats- they'll take us all over soon
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I can't believe that people (even the laws) in the bible belt are questioning creationism/evolution. Only in America, it seems :). If its not prohpet muhammad giving the media ****, its the churchy people getting offended at the cause of evolution. They've accepted the earth revolves around the sun, why cant we accept evolution?

I don't accept any theory, because they're all flawed. I think that life was created through a combination of Creation and Evolution myself.

I think a chemical reaction created some little bits of bacteria (You can create life yourself this way too!) and they duplicated and duplicated and adapted and morphed and reproduced until we had dinosaurs, then mammoths, then humans etc

Ya know? It seems like we have this argument at least once a month. Go refer to the other threads to see my opinion.

I don't think Ive ever seen those threads :(

They've all had different names, and some of them were lengthier than others. One of them went into great detail, but I can't remember what it was called. I'll see if I can't find it right fast.
Linky (http://gprime.net/board/showthread.php?t=4304&page=5&highlight=religion)
Thats the one. If any new questions come up though, I'll be back in this thread to answer them.

except faith, and a feeling that someone somewhere is looking out for us and protecting us and no matter how bad or crummy we feel someone loves us, something other than our parents something athiests don't have
Although, thats just a feeling, not proff. But then again, evolution is way flawed too. In fact, evolution suggests some higher power.
A flower in the rainforest, and yearly, a certain butterfly lays its eggs on that type of flower and they hatch, and eat the flower. So the flower creates a poison to ward off the caterpillars, so the caterpillars became immune to it. Over time, it evolved to secreet a yummy substance that would attract wasps to eat the caterpillars. Sounds like normal evolution right? Well how in the hell could that species of flower, over hundreds of generations, evolved specifically for that certain reason, unless it had some sense of logic or reasoning? A plant has absolutely no way of knowing that wasps like sticky sweet stuff, but it somehow managed to evolve to attract them? Its fuuny aint it?

Although, thats just a feeling, not proff. But then again, evolution is way flawed too. In fact, evolution suggests some higher power.
A flower in the rainforest, and yearly, a certain butterfly lays its eggs on that type of flower and they hatch, and eat the flower. So the flower creates a poison to ward off the caterpillars, so the caterpillars became immune to it. Over time, it evolved to secreet a yummy substance that would attract wasps to eat the caterpillars. Sounds like normal evolution right? Well how in the hell could that species of flower, over hundreds of generations, evolved specifically for that certain reason, unless it had some sense of logic or reasoning? A plant has absolutely no way of knowing that wasps like sticky sweet stuff, but it somehow managed to evolve to attract them? Its fuuny aint it?Over 6 billion years os evolution. Thats a LOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG time.

For me I believe all religion is bull ****, Evolution is the only explanationa that can be applied and tested.

At least until you actually do some research. >_>

At least until you actually do some research. >_>well, there IS no evidence of creationism itself. but there is evidence to support the bibles other theories.

I think a chemical reaction created some little bits of bacteria (You can create life yourself this way too!) and they duplicated and duplicated and adapted and morphed and reproduced until we had dinosaurs, then mammoths, then humans etc
What caused the bateria to "evolve"? What natural instinct caused it to turn into the world we know today? There has not been 1 single shred of proof showing one species evolve into another. And don't give me that "Skellitons of human like beings that eventually formed humans" crap. All of the very few bits of evidence to prove it were proven false.

If the earth was billions of years old, wouldn't there be more evidence to support it? Why is it that there are some species of dinosaur that have only been found once, when, apperently, it has existed for a milenia?

I believe that the earth was created old. How else would living things be able to survive? There is no way pond scum could have thrived in, what is apperent to people who believe in evolution, a total unlivable, unsurvivable rock soon to be called earth.

I think that the earth is really only 7 thousand years old. If it took cavemen millions of years to go from fire to hunting food (exagerating a bit), why is it that within a little over 100 years, we have come from stagecoaches to hydrogen powerd cars, space shuttles, and computers?

You do the math.

I am a christian myself. I really don't care for evolution. What pisses me off is people who say "YOU ENVOKE GOD'S WRATH!! YOU WILL BURN SINNER!!" It makes me wanna jam a bible down their throat..

Back on topic. Neither is superior. Some people believe it, some don't. Get this though. Darwin had renigged the whole thing on his deathbed, and became a christian.

And tree has a good point.

If I take a piece of algea, and keep it there forever, it will NEVER evolve. Otherwise, if we did come form algea, then why is algea still here? Wouldn't it too be evolving? I am not downing your belief, but jeez! A piece of greenery turning into a fully funtional body, that just so happens to have circulatory, muscular, etc. systems that all work in 100% harmony? How can small tiny particles of dust create millions of stars, and vast galaxies? I mean come on... I think someone was high when coming up with that theory...

What caused the bateria to "evolve"? What natural instinct caused it to turn into the world we know today? There has not been 1 single shred of proof showing one species evolve into another. And don't give me that "Skellitons of human like beings that eventually formed humans" crap. All of the very few bits of evidence to prove it were proven false.

If the earth was billions of years old, wouldn't there be more evidence to support it? Why is it that there are some species of dinosaur that have only been found once, when, apperently, it has existed for a milenia?

I believe that the earth was created old. How else would living things be able to survive? There is no way pond scum could have thrived in, what is apperent to people who believe in evolution, a total unlivable, unsurvivable rock soon to be called earth.

I think that the earth is really only 7 thousand years old. If it took cavemen millions of years to go from fire to hunting food (exagerating a bit), why is it that within a little over 100 years, we have come from stagecoaches to hydrogen powerd cars, space shuttles, and computers?

You do the math.
Its a matter of FAITH!!

So the bible and science are just as flawed as eachover. However, science changes whilst the bible does not (With most Christian religions anyway). Why can't the religious leaders be less sexist, racist, and homophobic in our changing society?


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Example: When Gallieo or Newton or whatever first made the claim that Earth was not the centre of the universe the Catholic Church supressed him. Coudn't they say "Well, maybe he is right, maybe he is not." and let him do his stuff rather than "ITS AGAINST THE BIBLE!! OMG!!" stuff. The bible's been rewritten many a time by clever people to exploit the faith to their liking. So pretty much any church is going against the ORIGINAL bible, which would logically be the RIGHT one, if new discoveries are always false.
humf. so there. (Folds up arms and turns away like little kid)
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on the subject, what is THE bible, Protistant? Anglican? Catholic?

people please, don't put creation bull**** into these forums. There is no proof of creationism, anyone with brains would know that.

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Its a matter of FAITH!!

So the bible and science are just as flawed as eachover. However, science changes whilst the bible does not (With most Christian religions anyway). Why can't the religious leaders be less sexist, racist, and homophobic in our changing society?


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Example: When Gallieo or Newton or whatever first made the claim that Earth was not the centre of the universe the Catholic Church supressed him. Coudn't they say "Well, maybe he is right, maybe he is not." and let him do his stuff rather than "ITS AGAINST THE BIBLE!! OMG!!" stuff. The bible's been rewritten many a time by clever people to exploit the faith to their liking. So pretty much any church is going against the ORIGINAL bible, which would logically be the RIGHT one, if new discoveries are always false.
humf. so there. (Folds up arms and turns away like little kid)
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on the subject, what is THE bible, Protistant? Anglican? Catholic?
first of all, it's 'proetstant', second of all, protestant and anglican are the same, and third of all, it was copernicus. ;)

people please, don't put creation bull**** into these forums. There is no proof of creationism, anyone with brains would know that.

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first of all, it's 'proetstant', second of all, protestant and anglican are the same, and third of all, it was copernicus. ;)

There's no 100% proof of evolution either. This debate is pointless as the only way we will know if someone is right is when we are both dead, and then it doesn't really matter does it?

??? Ermm, it doesn't matter if evolution can't explain everything. There's no evidence to disprove it is there?

??? Ermm, it doesn't matter if evolution can't explain everything. There's no evidence to disprove it is there?

The fact that not all monkey's evolved and how our body structure hasn't changed in hundreds of years?

The fact that not all monkey's evolved and how our body structure hasn't changed in hundreds of years?

monkeys are suited to their habitat, so they don't need to evolve


as for us... meh. we're perfect? all we need now is a few extra fingers for typing and bigger brains :D

Over 6 billion years os evolution. Thats a LOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG time.
Yes it is...so are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me? Cause if you are disagreeing, the fact that it happens over a periond of SUCH a long time supports what I am saying, though I really don't have any conclusion to my theory. Call me if you guys suddenly have a scientific breakthrough, because If we all turn out to be a computer program I would like to know.

The fact that not all monkey's evolved and how our body structure hasn't changed in hundreds of years?
monkeys don't need to evolve because they are already suited into their environment. And we have evolved in "hundreds of years" 100 years ago there were no computers. 200 years ago there was no electricity. 300 years ago there were no dictionaries. Humans never stop changing. We have also changed biologoically, just so small to tell. I mean, it took 6,000,000 years just to go from chimps. And why do we need to change? We're the highest species, why change?

See, your argument is unfounded. If we evolved from monkeys, why do those same monkeys still exist? Also we haven't changed "biologically too small to tell". What has changed? Tell me please. Our genetic make up hasn't. So making a dictionary and a computer is considered "evolving"?

See, your argument is unfounded. If we evolved from monkeys, why do those same monkeys still exist? Also we haven't changed "biologically too small to tell". What has changed? Tell me please. Our genetic make up hasn't. So making a dictionary and a computer is considered "evolving"?

Thats sounds more like inventing.

See, your argument is unfounded. If we evolved from monkeys, why do those same monkeys still exist?
Fact: No-one has ever said and meant "humans evolved from monkeys" the most we've said was "humans evolved from ape-like creatures". Make sure you understand the difference.
Also we haven't changed "biologically too small to tell". What has changed? Tell me please. Our genetic make up hasn't. So making a dictionary and a computer is considered "evolving"?
well, if it's a developed change, then yes, our technology is evolving (not biologically). And people don't need to evolve because we're the powerfullest species.

Terrelbot, you are a retarded moron. Their must be some psychological problem why you think like that because it's obviously a load of bollucks. Your parents didn't do a very good job raising you if you think 'evolution isn't scientific' and 'George Bush is a good president'. Seriously, see a psychologist.

Fact: No-one has ever said and meant "humans evolved from monkeys" the most we've said was "humans evolved from ape-like creatures". Make sure you understand the difference.

well, if it's a developed change, then yes, our technology is evolving (not biologically). And people don't need to evolve because we're the powerfullest species.

Terrelbot, you are a retarded moron. Their must be some psychological problem why you think like that because it's obviously a load of bollucks. Your parents didn't do a very good job raising you if you think 'evolution isn't scientific' and 'George Bush is a good president'. Seriously, see a psychologist.

Your argument is laughable at best, but even then it's not as funny as it is sad. The point is we still have "ape-like" creatures that exist. I used monkeys as a net term hoping you wouldn't pull that bull**** argument. Theres no reasonable reason why only a section of a species would evolve and not another. Technology is evolving? Sure if you really want to use that word, but its not proof that we are evolving WHICH IS WHAT YOU CLAIMED IT TO BE. We don't need to evolve because we are the most powerful? SO evolution switches off and on? So why aren't other animal species evolving?

I don't think Bush is a good president, now do I believe in creationism. Don't try to pretend you know what I believe. Next don't bring my family into this. Your the one who doesn't know how to developer a argument, did your family fail there? Please don't debate something with me if you are not going to be useful.

I don't think Bush is a good president, now do I believe in creationism. Don't try to pretend you know what I believe. Next don't bring my family into this. Your the one who doesn't know how to developer a argument, did your family fail there? Please don't debate something with me if you are not going to be useful.
I'm not taking any side here, but Terrelbot, you do realize that Creationism is even more laughable then evolution? Because there is realy no evidence to back up creationism, yes there may be a coincidence or two, but if you think about it creationism is just a very, very silly bible story.

Your argument is laughable at best, but even then it's not as funny as it is sad. The point is we still have "ape-like" creatures that exist. I used monkeys as a net term hoping you wouldn't pull that bull**** argument. Theres no reasonable reason why only a section of a species would evolve and not another. Technology is evolving? Sure if you really want to use that word, but its not proof that we are evolving WHICH IS WHAT YOU CLAIMED IT TO BE. We don't need to evolve because we are the most powerful? SO evolution switches off and on? So why aren't other animal species evolving?

I don't think Bush is a good president, now do I believe in creationism. Don't try to pretend you know what I believe. Next don't bring my family into this. Your the one who doesn't know how to developer a argument, did your family fail there? Please don't debate something with me if you are not going to be useful.

actually there is a reason for why certain sections of species evolve and others dont: darwinism: only the strongest survive; take oh, people for example, we are the strongest species on the planet, of course you need other species to co-exist with us, otherwise we wouldn't have any meats and have to become vegetarians and that would suck

the monkeys don't need to evolve that didn't because they didn't need to change to their surroundings to stay alive, but of course, as our brains evolved, we decided to kill them so we could stay alive



btw: other animal species are evolving, it's not as if it happens overnight, that's the thing, it's not as if some species will evolve so rapidly that we can see it's new form the next day

actually there is a reason for why certain sections of species evolve and others dont: darwinism: only the strongest survive; take oh, people for example, we are the strongest species on the planet, of course you need other species to co-exist with us, otherwise we wouldn't have any meats and have to become vegetarians and that would suck

the monkeys don't need to evolve that didn't because they didn't need to change to their surroundings to stay alive, but of course, as our brains evolved, we decided to kill them so we could stay alive



btw: other animal species are evolving, it's not as if it happens overnight, that's the thing, it's not as if some species will evolve so rapidly that we can see it's new form the next day


Show me proof of a animal who has slightly evolved in the past 2000 years. Anything. It still doesn't explain how a race of 'ape-like" creatures (happy xyz? I hope it makes it easier on you) spread out ACROSS THE WORLD could all evolve into what we are today. You have to think how far superior we are to all other animals. How come we are the only ones who evolved to such superiority, and such widespread. I'm not saying evolution happens overnight, but genetic make up hasn't changed for humans for as far back as we can test, as goes for animals. You still cant rationalize will only a certain world wide sect of creatures go evolve to us. You automatically assume things are evolving and that is a assumption you can not make.

Now onto you diet poop. I think both ideas are pretty unfounded. I don't align with either of them. Until I see more proof of evolution I won't accept it as the only true theory (of course we will never see more proof of creationism). I'm merely playing devils advocate because I don't think anyone here has the information to argue Creationism's side.

terrelbot, you sound so stupid, I doubt anyone can take you seriously. Methinks ur lysdexik two.

Now onto you diet poop. I think both ideas are pretty unfounded. I don't align with either of them. Until I see more proof of evolution I won't accept it as the only true theory (of course we will never see more proof of creationism). I'm merely playing devils advocate because I don't think anyone here has the information to argue Creationism's side.
Ok, thats cool. I was just thinking, If you are bashing evolution for not having enough evidence to support it, then creationism...well, you know.

terrelbot, you sound so stupid, I doubt anyone can take you seriously. Methinks ur lysdexik two.
quiet you, terrelbot actually has a point.

terrelbot, you sound so stupid, I doubt anyone can take you seriously. Methinks ur lysdexik two.

Actually I am dyslexic. It doesn't matter if people take me seriously, you still haven't made a intelligent argument. So please STFU since you have no idea what you are talking about, thanks though dude.

Actually I am dyslexic. It doesn't matter if people take me seriously, you still haven't made a intelligent argument. So please STFU since you have no idea what you are talking about, thanks though dude.
By the way, does your sig say "I'm cooler than [videogames scratched out] diet POO"? haha! Everyone knows I'm way cooler than you!
jk obviously:happy:

yeah, it also includes nerd things like "lol", "html", and "cout"

Show me proof of a animal who has slightly evolved in the past 2000 years. Anything. It still doesn't explain how a race of 'ape-like" creatures (happy xyz? I hope it makes it easier on you) spread out ACROSS THE WORLD could all evolve into what we are today. You have to think how far superior we are to all other animals. How come we are the only ones who evolved to such superiority, and such widespread. I'm not saying evolution happens overnight, but genetic make up hasn't changed for humans for as far back as we can test, as goes for animals. You still cant rationalize will only a certain world wide sect of creatures go evolve to us. You automatically assume things are evolving and that is a assumption you can not make.

okay, let's see what I can dig up

People first came to Madagascar in boats about 2000 years ago. When humans first arrived on Madagascar, there were at least 50 lemur species living on the island, the largest of which rivaled the body mass of a male gorilla or orangutan. Not one of the 33 lemur species that still survive on the island is as large as the smallest of the lemurs that disappeared from Madagascar during the past several millennia.

how's that for you?

they evolved to be smaller than what they were 2000 years ago

Actually I am dyslexic. It doesn't matter if people take me seriously, you still haven't made a intelligent argument. So please STFU since you have no idea what you are talking about, thanks though dude.
do you even read my posts or are you just ignorant?

terrelbot, you sound so stupid, I doubt anyone can take you seriously. Methinks ur lysdexik two.

I take him seriously.

well you're only 12, and you live in the US. (No offense to any americans)

Although, thats just a feeling, not proff. But then again, evolution is way flawed too. In fact, evolution suggests some higher power.
A flower in the rainforest, and yearly, a certain butterfly lays its eggs on that type of flower and they hatch, and eat the flower. So the flower creates a poison to ward off the caterpillars, so the caterpillars became immune to it. Over time, it evolved to secreet a yummy substance that would attract wasps to eat the caterpillars. Sounds like normal evolution right? Well how in the hell could that species of flower, over hundreds of generations, evolved specifically for that certain reason, unless it had some sense of logic or reasoning? A plant has absolutely no way of knowing that wasps like sticky sweet stuff, but it somehow managed to evolve to attract them? Its fuuny aint it?

The flower doesn't need logic. If there is a diversity in the flowers, such as some that have some poison and some that don't. The ones with the poison will not be eaten. In the next generation, there is a better chance of that flower surviving. That flowers DNA will be passed on to others until all flowers without the poison die, and all the flowers have poison.

The flower doesn't need logic. If there is a diversity in the flowers, such as some that have some poison and some that don't. The ones with the poison will not be eaten. In the next generation, there is a better chance of that flower surviving. That flowers DNA will be passed on to others until all flowers without the poison die, and all the flowers have poison.
that isn't what I'm saying. This ONE SPECIES of flower developed a sweet sap to attract wasps to eat the catepillars. Over time it was developed, it never had it before.

The flower doesn't need logic. If there is a diversity in the flowers, such as some that have some poison and some that don't. The ones with the poison will not be eaten. In the next generation, there is a better chance of that flower surviving. That flowers DNA will be passed on to others until all flowers without the poison die, and all the flowers have poison.
that's not always true, infact more than half the time it doesn't. The new species is very unlikely to be dominant when selective breeding and genetic variation and speciation happens. It depends whether the change is good or bad. If bad, the new flower will become extinct. If good, the new flower will become more common. It's more complex than you may think this evolution thing.

Like creationism it can't be summed up in one story book.

and you live in the US. (No offense to any americans)

So You're saying that all Americans are war driven, meat eating, baseball addicts?

well you're only 12, and you live in the US. (No offense to any americans)

And you are 14, which isn't that much older than 12.

So You're saying that all Americans are war driven, meat eating, baseball addicts?
what?

interesting fact newton was in fact a christian he studied the bible as the word of god and placed crucifixion of jesus at april 3 ad 33
so if newton were alive now would he say evolution is wrong or the other way around

so if newton were alive now would he say evolution is wrong or the other way around
what? O__o

Nobody said anything about what Newton would think... I dont think.

Like creationism it can't be summed up in one story book.
Actually, creationism can be summed up in one storybook. Its called the book of Genesis.
http://www.kids4truth.com/eng_creation.htm

AHAHAHA!!! HOLY CRAP! This is hilarious!!! Is this seriously what most christians believe? Do they not realize how silly that all sounds? The stories of creationism were made because humans decided they needed to come up with a way to explain the unknown. So they decided that an invisble person who has control over everything and that they can't see or hear or prove exists, just made them out of thin air. And it was good...then. But now things like that aren't unknown anymore, and there is no reason to keep telling these fables that can be so easily disproved.

Actually, creationism can be summed up in one storybook. Its called the book of Genesis.
http://www.kids4truth.com/eng_creation.htm

AHAHAHA!!! HOLY CRAP! This is hilarious!!! Is this seriously what most christians believe? Do they not realize how silly that all sounds? The stories of creationism were made because humans decided they needed to come up with a way to explain the unknown. So they decided that an invisble person who has control over everything and that they can't see or hear or prove exists, just made them out of thin air. And it was good...then. But now things like that aren't unknown anymore, and there is no reason to keep telling these fables that can be so easily disproved.

Well, evolutionists bellieve something in the same manner. A small volume of matter with an unbellieveable density just somehow exploded to form the universe. Its just about as far fetched as creationism is.

There is also specific evidence to disprove the big bang theory as well. Such as the fact that when we look away from us we see very old stars already created (we anticipated to see galaxies forming). Because you're looking 100's of billions of years back into history...and seeing stuff thats extremely old. It doesn't really make sense now does it.

Well, evolutionists bellieve something in the same manner. A small volume of matter with an unbellieveable density just somehow exploded to form the universe. Its just about as far fetched as creationism is.

There is also specific evidence to disprove the big bang theory as well. Such as the fact that when we look away from us we see very old stars already created (we anticipated to see galaxies forming). Because you're looking 100's of billions of years back into history...and seeing stuff thats extremely old. It doesn't really make sense now does it.
I think I agree, but rephrase that last part because it doesn't seem to make sense.

I think I agree, but rephrase that last part because it doesn't seem to make sense.If you look into the universe. you're basically looking back in time. Light travels at 186,000MPH. seemingly instantanious for the earth, but when its traveling across the universe which spans billions of miles. You get some serious delays when our eyes recieve the light. So when we are looking away from us. We are essentially looking at history that happened several hundred billion years ago. we should be seeing the galaxies forming(which they did 100's of billions of years ago). But instead we are seeing extremely old stars, which contradicts science, since by seeing extremely old galaxies, you are looking into the future, not the past.

We could start getting into einesteins theories of Mass and space. But that would be way too confusing.

If you look into the universe. you're basically looking back in time. Light travels at 186,000MPH. seemingly instantanious for the earth, but when its traveling across the universe which spans billions of miles. You get some serious delays when our eyes recieve the light. So when we are looking away from us. We are essentially looking at history that happened several hundred billion years ago. we should be seeing the galaxies forming(which they did 100's of billions of years ago). But instead we are seeing extremely old stars, which contradicts science, since by seeing extremely old galaxies, you are looking into the future, not the past.

I understand all of that, but doesn't that just mean that the universe took billions of years to form and that it is older than we think?

We could start getting into einesteins theories of Mass and space. But that would be way too confusing.
Not really, I read the whole book Einstein's Universe when I was in 4th grade, and I am surprised that I actually understood most of it. Why my 4th grade teacher happened to have a copy of Einsteins Universe lying around her classroom is something I'm still not sure of.

well the creationists say Newton believed in creationism and thought evolution to be stupid.

I understand all of that, but doesn't that just mean that the universe took billions of years to form and that it is older than we think?Well, no. The dominant theory that exists for the behavior of the universe is that it is constantly expanding and contracting.This would promote the big bang theory, because when the universe contracts, it would essentially become the high density object thats the size of a marble, and then explode again. However, with this theory scientists have estimated the age of the universe to be from a widely varying 8-22billion years. based on the the Hubble Constant(Yes the telescope was named after this person). So by using astronomy, they have identified a fixed point as to where it is expanding from. when we look towards that point, which is beyone the reaches of our telescopes, they see very old stars there. Instead of newly forming ones.

Phew...

Well, no. The dominant theory that exists for the behavior of the universe is that it is constantly expanding and contracting.This would promote the big bang theory, because when the universe contracts, it would essentially become the high density object thats the size of a marble, and then explode again. However, with this theory scientists have estimated the age of the universe to be from a widely varying 8-22billion years. based on the the Hubble Constant(Yes the telescope was named after this person). So by using astronomy, they have identified a fixed point as to where it is expanding from. when we look towards that point, which is beyone the reaches of our telescopes, they see very old stars there. Instead of newly forming ones.

Phew...
I get it now, but Creationism is still about 500 times more silly.

I get it now, but Creationism is still about 500 times more silly.I know what you mean. Even with the flaws of the Big Bang theory, the Genesis ideology is even more screwed up.

The bible was written during the Roman times. In roman times, they use the Roman Calendar. We do not use the roman calendar.it does not say in Genesis what day is sunday.

The bible states that the world is 4560 Years old. (self explanitory)

I know what you mean. Even with the flaws of the Big Bang theory, the Genesis ideology is even more screwed up.

The bible was written during the Roman times. In roman times, they use the Roman Calendar. We do not use the roman calendar.it does not say in Genesis what day is sunday.

The bible states that the world is 4560 Years old. (self explanitory)
The big bang theory is screwed by the laws of physics...
The Bible is screwed by the laws of common sense.

Actually, creationism can be summed up in one storybook. Its called the book of Genesis.
http://www.kids4truth.com/eng_creation.htm

that's exactly what I said.
AHAHAHA!!! HOLY CRAP! This is hilarious!!! Is this seriously what most christians believe? Do they not realize how silly that all sounds? The stories of creationism were made because humans decided they needed to come up with a way to explain the unknown. So they decided that an invisble person who has control over everything and that they can't see or hear or prove exists, just made them out of thin air. And it was good...then. But now things like that aren't unknown anymore, and there is no reason to keep telling these fables that can be so easily disproved.
I know! :D The funniest is when Jesus supposedly came back to life. Or how about that flood, with Noah and his iddy biddy boat?

Or how about that flood, with Noah and his iddy biddy boat?the great flood did happen. and they supposedly found noahs boat. It was rather large. Although the idea of taking one of every creature from the "earth" and putting it on a ship isnt feasible. The known world only encompased from spain to india.

that's exactly what I said.

I know! :D The funniest is when Jesus supposedly came back to life. Or how about that flood, with Noah and his iddy biddy boat?
do you know what's also funny your doomed to a life time of eternal suffering lol

anyway...
Evolution at school was boring, the only highlight was that stupid movie about something and the birds and the lectic tilliums and yeah, It wasn't very convincing

do you know what's also funny your doomed to a life time of eternal suffering lol

anyway...
Evolution at school was boring, the only highlight was that stupid movie about something and the birds and the lectic tilliums and yeah, It wasn't very convincing

Evolution is more convincing than your religin.

Evolution is more convincing than your religin.
that's your point of view

that's your point of view

...Thats more clear than yours.

"Open your mind and shut your mouth."
People need to stop assuming that they are the only ones who are right. The truth is, absolutly nobody knows much of anything but everybody is so damn sure of theirselves they rule out anything that differs from their own beliefs. Every person on Earth has to admit that there is only a slim chance that they are right.

I am actually more glad when proven wrong because it gives me an idea that I never thought of!

I am actually more glad when proven wrong because it gives me an idea that I never thought of!
That's a very respectable philosophy.

my favourite creationist ever is Kent Hovind! :D

People need to stop assuming that they are the only ones who are right.
You should practice what you preach.

You should practice what you preach.
I don't?
I'm not saying that you shouldn't take sides, but you should never close your mind to new possibilities. Accept new people and new ideas and new cultures!

I am actually more glad when proven wrong because it gives me an idea that I never thought of!you could've fooled me.

you could've fooled me.
It's sort of like "do as I say, not as I do."

??? That makes no sense.

or does it?

It makes planety of sense, I dont get why it doesn't.

It doesn't make sence because he's British.

I just think he doesn't know what that quote means.

Actually, creationism can be summed up in one storybook. Its called the book of Genesis.
http://www.kids4truth.com/eng_creation.htm

AHAHAHA!!! HOLY CRAP! This is hilarious!!! Is this seriously what most christians believe? Do they not realize how silly that all sounds? The stories of creationism were made because humans decided they needed to come up with a way to explain the unknown. So they decided that an invisble person who has control over everything and that they can't see or hear or prove exists, just made them out of thin air. And it was good...then. But now things like that aren't unknown anymore, and there is no reason to keep telling these fables that can be so easily disproved.
it's not a fiction book, it's holy scripture

K, who decided to necro this thread...

Where did God come from?

Not the member dude.

Where did God come from?

Not the member dude.
where did the big bang come from?

answer: we'll never completely know and understand our origins so there's no reason to argue over it really

it's not a fiction book, it's holy scriptureits called mythology pal. You cant graduate college with a degree in holy scripture. you can however graduate college with a degree in "Christian MYTHOLOGY".

I remember that, when I was a kid, I believed in silly things like the Tooth Fairy, Santa, and Evolution.
I'm not sure whether or not any of this (http://www.remnantofgod.org/creation.htm) is true, but it should give all of you evolution fans something to mull over for a while.

where did the big bang come from?An extremely dense ball of matter located in the "center of the universe" this extremy dense ball of matter was created by the cycle of the universe. The universe is constantly expanding, however, it is slowing down. then the universe no longer expands, it will collapse on itself, with forces that are completely unimaginable. hence we return to the extremely dense ball of matter.

That answer a question for ya?

except faith, and a feeling that someone somewhere is looking out for us and protecting us and no matter how bad or crummy we feel someone loves us, something other than our parents something athiests don't have
Athiesm is always misunderstood. IDK what to say but it does not mean they have nothing to live for.

it doesn't matter how we were created, because either way we're still killing eachover and fighting and all that

I don't?
I'm not saying that you shouldn't take sides, but you should never close your mind to new possibilities. Accept new people and new ideas and new cultures!

Yeah sure, the ones that you agree with maybe.

An extremely dense ball of matter located in the "center of the universe" this extremy dense ball of matter was created by the cycle of the universe. The universe is constantly expanding, however, it is slowing down. then the universe no longer expands, it will collapse on itself, with forces that are completely unimaginable. hence we return to the extremely dense ball of matter.

That answer a question for ya?

Wow! That makes so much more sense! Those silly Christians come up with the stupidest things.

An extremely dense ball of matter located in the "center of the universe" this extremy dense ball of matter was created by the cycle of the universe. The universe is constantly expanding, however, it is slowing down. then the universe no longer expands, it will collapse on itself, with forces that are completely unimaginable. hence we return to the extremely dense ball of matter.

That answer a question for ya?
still, this hasn't been proved either. Its an interesting and logical theory, but until we can travel back in time and see what really did create the universe we'll have to keep guessing and experimenting

Nobody can really say that eitehr is true, but you could say one theory is more probable than the other

I dont feel like killing myself because im alone in the universe. Its a common misconception of Atheism. I dont feel depressed because the entire primate order evolved form the same ancestor. Another thing about a lot of christians i have found is they are very unknowledgable on evolution.

agreed
good call mr napalm

Athiests actually have less to worry about as they don't have to fear the wrath of God/the Gods

Athiests actually have less to worry about as they don't have to fear the wrath of God/the GodsThat doesn't stop millions of murders every year made by christians.

That doesn't stop millions of murders every year made by christians.
And they say Anthiests cause all the crimes...

Besides, Christians say that they kill people for GOD.

And they say Anthiests cause all the crimes...

Besides, Christians say that they kill people for GOD.Ah, The Crusades, good times...good times...

Ah, The Crusades, good times...good times...

Like this one lady on the news, she had drown her two kids, because "god told her too".

You can't honestly believe all Christians are like that.

You can't honestly believe all Christians are like that.I don't.

But its fun to stereotype Christians these days

The more you stereotype someone, the less they want to be like that

The more you stereotype someone, the less they want to be like that

No wonder why the illegals are working so hard!

But its fun to stereotype Christians these days

The more you stereotype someone, the less they want to be like thatYour signature made me ROFL.

The fat guy chasing frookie one?

I think a chemical reaction created some little bits of bacteria (You can create life yourself this way too!) and they duplicated and duplicated and adapted and morphed and reproduced until we had dinosaurs, then mammoths, then humans etc

the fact that we can create the same lifeforms that started all life on earth proves that intelligence is needed to form life. In evolution, there was no intelligence whatsoever at the beginning of time...


PWNT!:spam_lase

the fact that we can create the same lifeforms that started all life on earth proves that intelligence is needed to form life. In evolution, there was no intelligence whatsoever at the beginning of time...


PWNT!:spam_laseYou don't need intelligence to form life.

the fact that we can create the same lifeforms that started all life on earth proves that intelligence is needed to form life. In evolution, there was no intelligence whatsoever at the beginning of time...


PWNT!:spam_laseActually, all it required was a little electricity, some H2 and some carbon that lined the precambrian earths aptmosphere. pwnt? I think so.

Actually, all it required was a little electricity, some H2 and some carbon that lined the precambrian earths aptmosphere. pwnt? I think so.

Which is why his name is moron.

the fact that we can create the same lifeforms that started all life on earth proves that intelligence is needed to form life. In evolution, there was no intelligence whatsoever at the beginning of time...


PWNT!:spam_lase
Good job!! I actually saw more than one sentence come from a moron, but that doesn't mean you're not a moron. In fact, it means you just really suck and you need to pay more attention at school, plus the fact...you're a moron.

no doubt

What proof is ther of evolution other than the fact that "If we are here, we must have been created by this..."

Imagine this... the big bang has just occured.

All the makings for life are swimming around in a primordial soup. Gold, molten rock, and other elements start to form. Gears start to form, and mesh together. Springs with pinpoint precision combine with other gears. Quarts combines and forms a paint-like substance, and more gold is created to create 12 digets all in order. Molten rock melts crushed rock into a glass in a perfect circle, only an 1/8 of an inch thick. More gold is formed to make a flexible strap and contects to the rest of this "evolutionary process". The words "Rolex" appear on the back.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y52/treefalse/golddate.jpg

This by far has a greater chance of happening than random elements and compounds forming 20,000 species of fish, 6,000 species of reptiles, 9,000 birds, 1,000 amphibians, and 15,000 species of mammals, and still sustain life after.... well, millions of years, wouldn't you say?

And "God" creating the heavens and earth in 7 days makes just as little sense.

Maybe we should try analyzing other theories, like theistic evolution, which states that God created evolution. >_>

Hmm...well yeah I wonder why the chuches can't just say that instead of getting offended about the topic.

And "God" creating the heavens and earth in 7 days makes just as little sense.

Why does "God" have to make sence to us? He created us, and no one is parallel.

So my theory goes.

Why does "God" have to make sence to us? He created us, and no one is parallel.

So my theory goes.

How can the theory be believable if it does not make sense?

I'm just saying that we don't have to comprehend everything about him. Though, my faith in what he did is strong. *tear*

I'm just saying that we don't have to comprehend everything about him. Though, my faith in what he did is strong. *tear*No one said we have to comprehend everything about him, but the Bible makes it out to be like there's nothing we can understand so go follow blindly; perhaps this makes sense to you, but to me it does not. Either way, you're entitled to your opinion even if the perspective is skewed. ;)

No one said we have to comprehend everything about him, but the Bible makes it out to be like there's nothing we can understand so go follow blindly; perhaps this makes sense to you, but to me it does not. Either way, you're entitled to your opinion even if the perspective is skewed. ;)
Actually, the bible is a book of knowledge and metaphors. Then again, I doubt any of it is true!

Actually, the bible is a book of knowledge and metaphors. Then again, I doubt any of it is true!Actually, the bible is a book of stories on how christians should live their lives!

Actually, the bible is a book of stories on how christians should live their lives!
No. Or it shouldn't be. But then again, you know how ****ed up those fundamentalists are. :rolleyes:

No. Or it shouldn't be.wow

No. Or it shouldn't be. But then again, you know how ****ed up those fundamentalists are. :rolleyes:
ok that was stupid.

Ok. I've been reading the posts on this thread and all I have to say is that I'm very saddened by the lack of knowledge of evolution I'm seeing here. It's late, and this is going to be a little bit of a scattershot approach here. I'm not going to bother to go back and quote anybody as that would take too much time.

1) "Darwin recanted on his deathbed" This is absolutely false. This is attributed to Lady Hope who claimed that Darwin recanted and converted to Christianity. Darwin's daughter Herietta rebuffed this saying that Lady Hope was nowhere near Darwin when he died and that he never recanted his scientific theories.

2) Someone here claimed that Darwin was a racist. I would like to see them back that up or take it back.

3) Someone here mentioned "Dr" Kent Hovind and his challenge. I hope that this person has realised that Hovind has said some pretty strange things in his carrer and had "earned" his Phd in a non-accredited diploma mill. Among his noteworthy quotes are:

"Low cholesterol and its link to infertility. Keep in mind the big picture. Satan hates God. And Satan and God have been at war for 6,000 years. God's plan is fill the world with kids. [...] Satan, of course, wants the opposite. He wants to reduce the world's population to zero as soon as possible. And so Satan is going to work towards reduction of the population and lowering cholesterol is good way of doing that."
Truth Radio 19 April 2006 @ 35:30 (Tape 2)

"Most anybody [sic] that studies T-Rex will tell you - even though he had ferocious head, ferocious teeth and was, you know, huge - his front arms are pretty tiny. And if you could ever get hold of one [of the arms] you probably could jerk it right off."

Source: Creation Science 102, Creation Science Evangelism circa 2004

"A lot of things - like allergies - are directly related to problems in the back and neck. A chiropractor can fix a lot of them."
Source: Truth Radio 22 July 2004 @ 22:40

As to his "Challenge", Nobody knows he has the actual money and won't disclose who is to be the judge. And, he doesn't just want "proof" of evolution, he wants someone to essentially recreate a entire universe.

3) Someone mentioned why there are still monkies if we evolved from them. We didn't evovle from them. We and the other primates split off from another ancestor millions of years ago. Think of them as "cousins" if you will.

4) As is inevitible, these kind of discussions end up with "Where did the big bang come from?" or "Where did God come from?" questions. This is beyond the scope of evolution. Evolution deals with how life adapted. It has no bearing on God, the Big Bang or how life started.

5) Someone asked for examples of transitionsals. There are many. There is Archaeopteryx, a transition between the therapod dinosaur and birds. We have transitionals between Fish and amphibians, Amphibians to reptiles, reptiles to birds and reptiles to mammals.

6) Someone else mentioned the [url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html]Paluxy Tracks. Shortly, the "human" footprints...aren't. They are/were a case of mistaken Identity and some were frauds.

Lastly, this is not a Christianity vs. Atheism thing. Many Christians are also evolutionists.

1) "Darwin recanted on his deathbed" This is absolutely false. This is attributed to Lady Hope who claimed that Darwin recanted and converted to Christianity. Darwin's daughter Herietta rebuffed this saying that Lady Hope was nowhere near Darwin when he died and that he never recanted his scientific theories.
There is no scientific proof to state weather either of us are correct about this.

There is no scientific proof to state weather either of us are correct about this.
Thats not science, its history. Darwin converting on his deathbed is but a myth, and even if he did convert, that doesn't affect the theory of evolution at all. Hundreds of researchers after Darwin have expanded on his studies, even if Darwin said all the stuff he proposed had been made up and false, it wouldn't matter because millions upon millions of scientists and researchers have validated his theorys.

I wasn't talking about history was I? I'm sure there are all kinds of historical recordings that are the farthest thing from true. It's not like we were there.

I wasn't talking about history was I? I'm sure there are all kinds of historical recordings that are the farthest thing from true. It's not like we were there.sounds like the bible...

His children were there, his children knew, his children told their children, his children told people that the rumors were false. How would Lady Hope know about him converting? Was she there? A dedicated scientific researcher does not simply give up on his lifes work.

A child will believe anything their mother tells them. That being stated, your point serves no relevance.
sounds like the bible...
That was cheap Napalm. You delete uneccesary posts that serve no purpose, but can make them yourself?

A child will believe anything their mother tells them. That being stated, your point serves no relevance.
That wasn't my point, I'm saying that his daughter was with him when he died, and she denounced the rumors.

Yes, but since both claimed to have been with him when he died, it ends up being a matter of judgement on our part.

That was cheap Napalm. You delete uneccesary posts that serve no purpose, but can make them yourself?The fact that you dont want to take it seriously, doesn't make it useless. Thank You.

Yeah, whatever Napalm.

Yes, but since both claimed to have been with him when he died, it ends up being a matter of judgement on our part.
It was his DAUGHTER she was with him on his deathbed because she was his DAUGHTER, Lady hope had no reason to be anywhere near Darwin when he died.

People don't have a reason for a lot of the things they do. Oh yeah, and you should realise that I am not supporting my previous point when I coninue this debate.

Even if Darwin had recanted the theory of evolution or converted to Christianity, this would have no relevance to the scientific examination of the origins of life anymore than Galileo Galilei's coerced recantation of heliocentrism put the Earth at the center of the universe.
I couldn't have put it better myself.

Personally, I don't really want to side with either of them.

Personally, I don't really want to side with either of them.
What?

... specifics isn't really my specialty. I was referring to Lady Hope and Darwin's daughter (whatever her name is).

A child will believe anything their mother tells them. That being stated, your point serves no relevance.
That was cheap Napalm. You delete uneccesary posts that serve no purpose, but can make them yourself?
He was just proving you wrong, that was actually a VERY good point

Indeed it was, but he didn't prove me wrong.

The thing about creationists is, they diss the theory of evolution because they don't think it makes sense, but Creationism doesn't make the slightest bit of sense at all. Why is it that when talking about anything else you are free to question its validity, but when it comes to religion its bad to question or test it. Its basically saying, "We don't have anything to back up our arguments, so please don't question us" religion should be like any other idea. If a scientific theory doesn't stand up to more thorough, sensable theories, it is dropped and the better one lives to face peoples judgement. So how come the same isn't true when comparing creationism and evolution?

What the heck are you talking about? Religion is questioned every minute of every day.

The thing about creationists is, they diss the theory of evolution because they don't think it makes sense, but Creationism doesn't make the slightest bit of sense at all. Why is it that when talking about anything else you are free to question its validity, but when it comes to religion its bad to question or test it. Its basically saying, "We don't have anything to back up our arguments, so please don't question us" religion should be like any other idea. If a scientific theory doesn't stand up to more thorough, sensable theories, it is dropped and the better one lives to face peoples judgement. So how come the same isn't true when comparing creationism and evolution?Religion has quite a bit going for it actually. I prefer a more centrist outlook on things. you see, most of the biblical stories have been proven true, or have been explained, using historical texts and SCIENCE to help. Such as the big bang theory, scientists found out, what if you smash a whole crapload of energy together, you all of a sudden ended up with a minerature universe. What could this great energy be? God of course. OR how about adam and eve?

Eve came from Adam's rib right? Now, evolution states that males evolved from females to serve as aids for natural selection. Therefore Adam would have evolved from Eve. But how many women priests were there before the early 18th century? 0, or hoew many women had a say an ANYTHING before this time? Womens rights practically didnt exist. So it would make sense for the people who wrote the bible, being men themselves, to give men the superior benefactor. So science and religion dont always have to contradict eachother. Sometimes they can be exactly the same.

What the heck are you talking about? Religion is questioned every minute of every day.And I'm not entirely sure how that relates to what he said.

Wow, where do you guys get all your frickin' information...

And I'm not entirely sure how that relates to what he said.
It does.