if, by altering the appearence, performance or defences of a human being before it's born, are we:

playing god?

or

using out GOD GIVEN powers to improve ourselves?

I do not believe in god, so I can't say that we are "playing him". I myself am not really for it or against it because there is so little we can do at the moment.

It's the second option, God given powers. God gave us free will; that is all the power we need to do what we please.

Its gonna happen if we want it or not. Our genes are our predefined blueprints, so if we edit our blueprints I guess we can achieve anything...

The biggest downside is that, should we decide to create our babies, everyone will be good at everything.

there may be no genetic variation and we will all die out

It's not humane in the first place, if they start creating genetically enhanced kids in the first place. Then what will happen to us? The non-enhanced people. You see they'll probrably start to take away things from us such as our jobs, our girlfriends, you get what I mean. Sooner or later a war will start between the two and then we'll just lose because their genes are enhanced. So if you do it, it will probrably lead to the destruction of us(the normal people).

I think it may be good to an extent, maybe even for cosmetic reasons. I think shinobi is right, though.

It's kind of like The Matrix you know, except no robots.

It's not humane in the first place, if they start creating genetically enhanced kids in the first place. Then what will happen to us? The non-enhanced people. You see they'll probrably start to take away things from us such as our jobs, our girlfriends, you get what I mean. Sooner or later a war will start between the two and then we'll just lose because their genes are enhanced. So if you do it, it will probrably lead to the destruction of us(the normal people).
Maybe they could find a way to enhance people who have already been born...but I guess I just got that idea from Uglies and Pretties...you know...the books...? haha. None of you have probably read them, actually. O_o

You can't and if you do possibly those people would suffer very much and it would be inhumane. Genetic alteration in humans is when you clone a human but you only give it the good genetic traits or alleles in order to be the most elite and best human out there. Doing it after they're born would risk in very catastrophic results. It's best that this thing is left untouched.

Yeah, I guess so. It's too dangerous anyway, and what's wrong with people just being...people? ^_^

Isnt this what Gattaca is about? I havent seen it

Yeah it is.

I don't think God cares what you do to your body because if you go to heaven you recieve a perfect body

Except science doesn't agree with religion.

Besides that I think our Scientists today are smart enough to know that they shouldn't create something that's stronger than them.

nope, I doubt we're that smart. Nuclear weapons? something like Jurrassic park might happen eventually and that would make life interesting

Oh please, we don't even use nuclear weapons. They're just in the pentagon or something sitting there and waiting to be used but aren't going to be used.

Isn't that a good thing, though? =]

Yeah, otherwise we'd have to move to Mars or something.

Oh please, we don't even use nuclear weapons. They're just in the pentagon or something sitting there and waiting to be used but aren't going to be used.
What about bombing Japan?

I guess Americans have a really casual stance towards nukes, which is why it has strained relations with NZ

Abortion: OH NO!!

Gay people marrying: OH NO!!!

Big bombs which can wipe off half the face of the earth: Yeah, whatever

Well have we been using nukes after Japan?

Exactly

What about bombing Japan?

I guess Americans have a really casual stance towards nukes, which is why it has strained relations with NZ

Abortion: OH NO!!

Gay people marrying: OH NO!!!

Big bombs which can wipe off half the face of the earth: Yeah, whatever
I'm not against gay marriage, I don't feel abortion should be illegal, but I certainly don't support it, and the bombing of Japan happened over 50 years ago. Nuclear weapons have not been used in any war since World War II. While I can't say that I necessarily agree with the bombing of Japan, it did end the war quickly (Japan was a tough and wouldn't have stopped fighting for years had Hiroshima and Nagasaki not happened) and around 100,000 American P.O.W.S who were to our knowledge scheduled to be executed, were rescued.

yeah, yeah I know. Nobody USES nukes these days, its just like a comfort thing

but if you see the toon "the latest model" at fatpie, you can see that everyone weilding big bombs around isn't improving matters

Well I didn't see the toon and I don't see how it's going to prove that we should still be scared of nukes even though we're not using them.

What about bombing Japan?

I guess Americans have a really casual stance towards nukes, which is why it has strained relations with NZ

Abortion: OH NO!!

Gay people marrying: OH NO!!!

Big bombs which can wipe off half the face of the earth: Yeah, whatever
The last and first time we used an atomic bomb was 50 years ago.

Exactly....

So... the fact that hey have been used ensures that they will not be used in the future?
http://www.fat-pie.com/latestmodel.htm found the toon. Everyone has nuclear weapons but nobody uses them. But finally when someone gets pissed off they fire it and BOOM. (I know this is a stupid way to point out my idea.)

my point is that we already have world changing technology that is more powerful than us. We can genetically alter a few humans and give them an extra leg, but that wont affect the entire world. But say we drop a few big bombs on Argentina or something and then all the armageddon movies might come true. Even if we dont use nukes, we still have got them. This is the nuclear age- we'll be inventing all this stuff but not use it (Unless world war 3 starts). ON SUBJECT: Human rights people will probably ban cloning, but we will still know how to use it. I dunno. The majority of the worlds amazing technology was developed in times of conflict and crisis, maybe if there is a world war 3 people might make clone armies like in star wars.

By the way, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against America bombing Japan to end World War 2. They saved the entire Pacific and South East Aisa. They had just invented Nuclear weapons and had every justification to nuke japan's *** in my opinion

yeah, those nukes sure do alter the genetics of people

Well it's possible if a person can actually survive the blast and come out as if nothing happened. But other than that, the chances are one in a million because most likely the atoms or cells in your body won't be able to take the radiation and you'll literally be melted in less than a second.

just like in X2, when Senator Kelly was killed because of the mutation that happened to him, so, they'd be lucky if they survived at all

Yeah....that's why it's not humane to start Genetic Alterations on humans.

but on dead people, I'm all for that, so long as they dedicated their body to the advancements of science

So... the fact that hey have been used ensures that they will not be used in the future?
http://www.fat-pie.com/latestmodel.htm found the toon. Everyone has nuclear weapons but nobody uses them. But finally when someone gets pissed off they fire it and BOOM. (I know this is a stupid way to point out my idea.)

my point is that we already have world changing technology that is more powerful than us. We can genetically alter a few humans and give them an extra leg, but that wont affect the entire world. But say we drop a few big bombs on Argentina or something and then all the armageddon movies might come true. Even if we dont use nukes, we still have got them. This is the nuclear age- we'll be inventing all this stuff but not use it (Unless world war 3 starts). ON SUBJECT: Human rights people will probably ban cloning, but we will still know how to use it. I dunno. The majority of the worlds amazing technology was developed in times of conflict and crisis, maybe if there is a world war 3 people might make clone armies like in star wars.

By the way, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against America bombing Japan to end World War 2. They saved the entire Pacific and South East Aisa. They had just invented Nuclear weapons and had every justification to nuke japan's *** in my opinionYou're all over the place with that post.

but on dead people, I'm all for that, so long as they dedicated their body to the advancements of science
But then to make sure they actually have results, the body will have to be alive. I mean genetic alterations can go from becoming a super genius to having a bulky mass of muscles.

how can you genetically alter a person who's dead. genetics are determined before you are born. mutations are one thing. genetics are another. this isn't ****ing x-men. stay on subject.

You're all over the place with that post.
yeah, I couldn't make my mind up of what my actual point was :(


oh yeah my point was that scientists have already created things that are stronger than them, and I guess for good reasons too

how can you genetically alter a person who's dead. genetics are determined before you are born. mutations are one thing. genetics are another. this isn't ****ing x-men. stay on subject.
That too. Even if you could genetic alterations on dead people you would get no results from them because they're dead obviously.

Bombing Japan has already happened, and that was just to see what would happen.

And to stop those facist Japanese bastards from taking over the world too-
well at least to make them surrender

We did by dropping the nuke. If we sent troops in more lives would probrably be lost.

yup, we wouldn't have won if we sent in troops really because no invasion on home turf wins when you're up against people on islands

Besides that, we'd probrably lose support for that at the homefront.

Exactly.