There is a bill that is in the NJ state legislature that concerns me as a staff member of Gprime.

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bills/A1500/1327_I1.HTM


SYNOPSIS

Makes certain operators of interactive computer services and Internet service providers liable to persons injured by false or defamatory messages posted on public forum websites.


Basically if someone posts defamatory messages on Gprime, Gprime can be sued over it. Personally I see this as a bad thing. I would strongly urge all NJ residents of voting age to contact their state legislator and ask them to oppose this bill.

Good thing I'm not in Jersey.

Does the law apply if you aren't in New Jersey?

the way the bill is written, if anyone on Gprime posts a defamatory message about someone living in NJ, that person can sue Gprime over it unless we keep a database with everyone's legal name and address.

Did you know in texas, it's an offense to defame beef? It's true.

Did you know in texas, it's an offense to defame beef? It's true.
I am so going to Texas and ranting about beef now.

I'm not in jersey, but how many people here are in New Jersey? Is it members of Gprime that live in Jersey that will sue, or is it celebrities and stuff?

Say Joe Johnson lives in NJ. Joe may or may not be a member of Gprime, it makes no difference. SomeRandomPerson on GPrime posts a message saying that Joe likes to have sex with goats. Joe Johnson can then sue Gprime unless we have and turn over SomeRandomPerson's legal name and address.

As far as how many people live there, 8,717,925 (as of 2005) according to wikipedia.

and as for why I seem so concerned with this, think of the society we live in here in the states. People are sue happy. If they come looking to sue someone, even though I do not have any ownership interest in Gprime, I am listed as an administrator of the board as is John. John lives in Canada. I live in the US. A US resident is going to be a much easier target than a Canadian resident/citizen.

Say Joe Johnson lives in NJ. Joe may or may not be a member of Gprime, it makes no difference. SomeRandomPerson on GPrime posts a message saying that Joe likes to have sex with goats. Joe Johnson can then sue Gprime unless we have and turn over SomeRandomPerson's legal name and address.
damn.


and as for why I seem so concerned with this, think of the society we live in here in the states. People are sue happy. If they come looking to sue someone, even though I do not have any ownership interest in Gprime, I am listed as an administrator of the board as is John. John lives in Canada. I live in the US. A US resident is going to be a much easier target than a Canadian resident/citizen.
I wish I could do something about this, but I am under the voting age and I live in PA.

I better not post a picture of myself wearing the shirt I got from busted tees.

Say Joe Johnson lives in NJ. Joe may or may not be a member of Gprime, it makes no difference. SomeRandomPerson on GPrime posts a message saying that Joe likes to have sex with goats. Joe Johnson can then sue Gprime unless we have and turn over SomeRandomPerson's legal name and address.

As far as how many people live there, 8,717,925 (as of 2005) according to wikipedia.

and as for why I seem so concerned with this, think of the society we live in here in the states. People are sue happy. If they come looking to sue someone, even though I do not have any ownership interest in Gprime, I am listed as an administrator of the board as is John. John lives in Canada. I live in the US. A US resident is going to be a much easier target than a Canadian resident/citizen.

Is there a way to tell which Gprime mebers live in New Jersey?


Also, how mean do the comments have to be?

Is there a way to tell which Gprime mebers live in New Jersey?


Also, how mean do the comments have to be?

I'm guessing anything derogative. So saying "Joe" has stupid hair would count.

I'm guessing anything derogative. So saying "Joe" has stupid hair would count.

I think we should ban anyone that lives in New Jersey.

no, thats not it, even if "Joe" wasn't a member of gprime, it wouldn't make any difference.

I'm guessing anything derogative. So saying "Joe" has stupid hair would count.
Not necessarily. If someone said that, and then Joe got a court order saying his hair isn't stupid, then that someone has now posted a false statement. This bill covers "false or defamatory messages posted on public forum websites"

Anyone else with me on thinking that our civil judicial system needs a major overhaul?

Another thing that bugs me about this. It doesn't seem to have any provision for a case of someone giving false information. We would be required to collect a name and address from everyone before they would be allowed to post. What happens if they give us fake info? Do they get tracked down and nailed for providing false information, or would we be in trouble for not properly verifying the information?

Not necessarily. If someone said that, and then Joe got a court order saying his hair isn't stupid, then that someone has now posted a false statement. This bill covers "false or defamatory messages posted on public forum websites"

Can you find our address from our IP's?

some person from NJ named Joe Johnson is probably going to sue us all.

some person from NJ named Joe Johnson is probably going to sue us all.

Haha

Can you find our address from our IP's?
In general, no. If we had a valid complaint, we could subpeona your internet provider and get the address listed on your account.

Let's play it safe here.

Pennsylvania sucks.

Let's play it safe here.

Pennsylvania sucks.
Awwww, booo! :(

Joe is a douche.

I said I wouldn't, but I did (http://www.bustedtees.com/shirts/jerseygirls).

I said I wouldn't, but I did (http://www.bustedtees.com/shirts/jerseygirls).

I think i'm gonna buy one of those. I like a lot of them. Which should i get...??

In Kentucky you can't put an Ice Cream cone in your back pocket.

In general, no. If we had a valid complaint, we could subpeona your internet provider and get the address listed on your account.

So I'm guessing you would to not get sued.

In Kentucky you can't put an Ice Cream cone in your back pocket.
Or go without a bath/shower for 6 months, I think that one was cause of the meth lab idiots around here.

Anyways, the law is most likely to be repealed cause of the 1st amendment. It will be revised many times I think and then applied to forums that are elligible of not coinciding with the 1st amendment.

edit: I meant bill...bill ...sheesh where's my head?

Update: It looks like this thing may be dead in the water already. This is not a response to me personally, just something I found online.


Thank you for your e-mail. I understand your concerns with my recently proposed legislation. Based on the number of negative responses I have received about this legislation I have asked the NJ Office of Legislative Services to prepare an opinion regarding this bill's enforceability and constitutionality.

I did not draft this bill with intent to limit freedom of speech. The intent behind this legislation was to bring some civility back to public forums, in particular the forums on www.nj.com. As I receive more feedback from, literally, around the country, it is becoming apparent that the bill may be too broad in scope and in reality not enforceable.

As an aside, this bill was only introduced in January. There have been no committee hearings regarding this bill and there are none scheduled to my knowledge. I am getting inundated with responses which I will review and use to better educate myself on the implications of this bill. If, after reviewing all of the correspondence and the opinion of OLS, it turns out that the bill is, in fact, unworkable, I will certainly reconsider and withdraw it. In other words, this is not something that will happen overnight.

It is unfortunate, from my perspective, that while my intention here was civility and respectfulness, it turns out that it may have gone too far.

Thank you again for your e-mail.

Sincerely,

Pete Biondi
Assemblyman

Update: It looks like this thing may be dead in the water already. This is not a response to me personally, just something I found online.

Awesome.

There is a bill that is in the NJ state legislature that concerns me as a staff member of Gprime.

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bills/A1500/1327_I1.HTM



Basically if someone posts defamatory messages on Gprime, Gprime can be sued over it. Personally I see this as a bad thing. I would strongly urge all NJ residents of voting age to contact their state legislator and ask them to oppose this bill.
Well that sucks...

Well, I'm going to say it. New Jersey sucks. No one likes New Jersey.

Well, I'm going to say it. New Jersey sucks. No one likes New Jersey.
Well...you can say that due to the fact they did make a bill that sucks.

Well, I'm going to say it. New Jersey sucks. No one likes New Jersey.

Now everyone in New Jersey is gonna sue Gprime, because as far as they know, you're lying. Little do they know

Because I am a moderator, could I be sued? If we try to act against the offender, but we still can't get a name or adress, are we still busted?

In general, no. If we had a valid complaint, we could subpeona your internet provider and get the address listed on your account.

The ISP wouldn't hand over the information though.

Because I am a moderator, could I be sued? If we try to act against the offender, but we still can't get a name or adress, are we still busted?

You are 14 and can't be sued. Atleast not over defamation. Our justice system treats minors too nicely unfourtantly.

The ISP wouldn't hand over the information though.



You are 14 and can't be sued. Atleast not over defamation. Our justice system treats minors too nicely unfourtantly.

#1. ISPs will give up anything. Thanks to the Digital Copyright act, they've been giving information about clients to the FBI for several years now.

#2. Adults can sue minors, Minors can sue minors. no restrictions there.
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Because I am a moderator, could I be sued? If we try to act against the offender, but we still can't get a name or adress, are we still busted?yes, they can. and If your ISP wants to save its own *** instead of yours. they will give out information about you.

Well, I'm going to say it. New Jersey sucks. No one likes New Jersey.

They wouldn't have tried to make this bill if that (quote) wasn't true in the first place.

#1. ISPs will give up anything. Thanks to the Digital Copyright act, they've been giving information about clients to the FBI for several years now.

#2. Adults can sue minors, Minors can sue minors. no restrictions there.
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yes, they can. and If your ISP wants to save its own *** instead of yours. they will give out information about you.

What? Dude, you should be the last one to talk about lawsuits again. First lets begin with DCA. They have been giving out only certain information but keeps a majority of its client base and what it does secret. Why do you think the RIAA has to file all of its suits John Doe? Becuase if ISPS started giving out private information to companys its consumer base would leave it and the company would die in the water. ISPs have even proven that they will deny the goverment information.

#2 Ill give you a little breathing room on this one. I forgot to assume that all states laws are similar to mine. Though a majority of states give minors a larger base of rights to avoid being sued (entering contracts, labor, and slander) some don't.

What? Dude, you should be the last one to talk about lawsuits again. First lets begin with DCA. They have been giving out only certain information but keeps a majority of its client base and what it does secret. Why do you think the RIAA has to file all of its suits John Doe? Becuase if ISPS started giving out private information to companys its consumer base would leave it and the company would die in the water. ISPs have even proven that they will deny the goverment information.google doesnt, thats just one way.
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#2 Ill give you a little breathing room on this one. I forgot to assume that all states laws are similar to mine. Though a majority of states give minors a larger base of rights to avoid being sued (entering contracts, labor, and slander) some don't.what do you mean "giving breathing room". you were wrong.

google doesnt, thats just one way.
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what do you mean "giving breathing room". you were wrong.

You have to be the most clueless idiot ever.

what do you mean "giving breathing room". you were wrong.
Get over yourself.

You have to be the most clueless idiot ever.I understand you're angry. It doesnt mean you have to get in other people's faces.

I understand you're angry. It doesnt mean you have to get in other people's faces.

Hey man, whatever you have to do to make yourself feel better. Enjoy spending your night alone though.

Hey man, whatever you have to do to make yourself feel better. Enjoy spending your night alone though.wtf are you talking about?

I think it's time to test another new mod I installed.....

what mod?

I'm guessing anything derogative. So saying "Joe" has stupid hair would count.
Joe's one of those damn emo kids


Santa: HO HO HO!!!
Pirate: YO HO HO!!!
NJ guy: YO YO YO!!!

1. tell the boss of the isp you know what he did last summer (or any day as long as he/she did something)
2. put up a tos stateing the forum/website is not responsible for anything said and done on both the forum and site
3. say joe is not ment to be of any likeness or physical relation to any real person.

the top 3 things to covering your self

Amen Iceland!!

Amen Holland!!!

Say Joe Johnson lives in NJ. Joe may or may not be a member of Gprime, it makes no difference. SomeRandomPerson on GPrime posts a message saying that Joe likes to have sex with goats. Joe Johnson can then sue Gprime unless we have and turn over SomeRandomPerson's legal name and address.

As far as how many people live there, 8,717,925 (as of 2005) according to wikipedia.

and as for why I seem so concerned with this, think of the society we live in here in the states. People are sue happy. If they come looking to sue someone, even though I do not have any ownership interest in Gprime, I am listed as an administrator of the board as is John. John lives in Canada. I live in the US. A US resident is going to be a much easier target than a Canadian resident/citizen.
Its funny how thats almost three times the population of my country

Amen Iceland!!
Amen New York!

Hail having lots of room!

Its funny how thats almost three times the population of my countryAnd you wonder why the U.S. is so hard to manage?

And you wonder why the U.S. is so hard to manage?
What?

What?
Yeah, it's kind of like that.

Amen New York!

Where do you live in New York?

Where do you get this stuff, you must be high

but then again you're kind of right.

Where do you get this stuff, you must be high

but then again you're kind of right.
who are you talking to?

I live in redneck country, yet, it's nice here.

Yeah, it's kind of like that.
I repeat- what?
EDIT: I can't take a hint- lets all just say that all countries are equal and we all can live in union and harmony. Except in the debating forum

lets all just say that all countries are equal and we all can live in union and harmony.
But we're better. ;)

But we're better. ;)
nuh uh!