View Full Version : Nintendo, the only company that MAKES SENSE. (concerning next-gen consoles)
Stokes 12-09-2005, 09:14 PM If you write to Nintendo concerning the Revolution's power, you will recieve the following official response: (please read at least the first paragraph, there are many important aspects covered)
"Our competitors would have you believe that the next generation of gaming will be solely defined by high definition graphics. High definition graphics look fantastic, but come at a price. To shine, high definition games must be played on high definition televisions, which aren't cheap. Games with high definition graphics are expensive to develop because they must be developed in both standard and high definition formats. Those development costs are passed on to you in the form of more expensive software. Finally, playing games with high definition graphics requires a system with loads of RAM and costly high-end graphics chips, both of which make it prohibitively expensive for most consumers.
Sharper graphics are certainly part of the next generation. We know that games for the Revolution will look brilliant whether played on a standard television or on a high definition television. However, is that all there is to next-generation gaming? We feel that sharper graphics should be combined with a new way to interface with the game itself. Our controller is a sharp departure from the current standard, to be sure, but it will provide a level of interactivity you can't get currently.
We believe in providing a single system that can play not only the previous generation's titles, but also games from a massive library built over 20 years of creating innovative and exciting games. We also believe in providing a complete wireless online experience right out of the box.
Nintendo has created a gaming system that is sleek and compact in size, powers up quickly with minimal load times, makes game development easy and fast, is easy to use, and is affordable for everyone. We are confident that gamers and non-gamers alike will support the truly next-generation experience only Nintendo can provide. Once you have a chance to play games on the Revolution, we think you'll agree! "
For those of you with short attention spans, what does this all mean?
-The revolution console will be cheaper than both the 360 and the PS3.
-The revolution will more than likely recieve more third party support than both over consoles. Nowadays, third partys are the lifeblood of any console, so more support leads to a more successful console.
-Revolution games will cost less than both other consoles.
-The revolution will not support HD, but in reality, almost none of us play videogames on an HD-compatable TV to begin with...
-Console will obviously be smaller, will boot up faster, and will have immensely short load times.
-The revolution's graphics will not necessarily be any worse than either of the other consoles. For example, even though the XBox 360 has an enormous amount of horsepower, there has yet to be a single third party willing to invest the resources to push the limits of the 360's ability, and it's unlikely that there ever will be. I am not saying that the 360's graphics are bad, if anything, they are very good. But the 360's hardware is better than it needs to be. In other words, the 360 is ahead of it's time. So far ahead that it will be several years before developers will be able to afford to actually use it...It is more than likely that the Revolution will be able to replicate most of the games produced for the PS3 and 360, simply because the added horsepower seems to be just excess fat.
Source Link (IGN) (http://revolution.ign.com/articles/674/674611p1.html)
EDIT: After reading over this post, I realize that this will more than likely start a flame war once the Anti-Ninteno Nazis arrive...I apologize in advance.
treefalse 12-09-2005, 10:02 PM I am looking forward to the Revolution! It's something I can maybe afford in a few months!
treefalse 12-09-2005, 10:11 PM Well, 360 was so powerful that it would overheat and crash. :D
The Revolution is different in a way that it could be possible...
Stokes 12-09-2005, 10:13 PM I read that second article mistakenly. It said it was slightly more powerful than the original XBox. My bad :P
However, the developer source information may not be 100% accurate; official sources from previous articles said that the Rev will be 2 to 3 times more powerful than the Cube. "the studios we spoke with are still very intrigued by Revolution and are not ruling out the possibility of additional graphic horsepower."
Personally, I think it's great that Nintendo is giving up on making an extremely powerful console, I mean after all, raw horsepower means better graphics; that's it. Doesn't mean the games will be more fun or interesting. Plus, lower-end hardware leads to a purchase much easier on the wallet.
Nintendo has consistently downplayed the role of horsepower with Revolution, often saying that graphics have reached a "saturation point" in today's games. Nintendo bigwig Shigeru Miyamoto has suggested that players might not be able to tell the difference between the new Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess and some high-definition games.
^Exactly my point. Can you honestly tell the difference between a 1,000 polygon model and a 3,000 polygon model?
And the controller must be good, considering that all the developers and other people who've gotten their hands on the controller have made nothing but positive comments about it.
Well, 360 was so powerful that it would overheat and crash. :D
The Revolution is different in a way that it could be possible...
What could be possible? For the console to run without oveheating?
(I think the developers of the 360 probably knew the temperatures to expect from the 360 and have enough cooling for it to function)
the black death 12-10-2005, 12:11 AM I can't wait for the revolution. It will be great and the best of the next-gen consoles, I hope. The only thing I see as a flaw is that though the controller is great and will be new, that may be as bad as it is good. It will be great to use it as a sword or gun or something like that, but what about other types of games? They will have to make a special add-on. I know they made some, but still, it may a bit bad at the launch, but it will no doubt work its way to the top. Nintendo rocks!
Slpnwata 12-10-2005, 02:17 PM Hehe
Nintendo is going a good direction
i cant wait to get my hands on the Revolution
Stokes 12-10-2005, 08:33 PM It will definitely be interesting what the minds over at Nintendo will cook up.
It's the third party developers I'm worried about. Remember the 6-8 month period after the launch of the DS? If I recall correctly, the third parties delivered nothing but gimmicky, crappy games (they've picked it up with recent games, though). I'd like to see a more powerful launch for the Rev.
Also, I'm a bit worried about how the new controller will affect existing games...
Here's my opinions on how the controller will affect existing games and genres:
FPSs - The only genre I KNOW will benefit greatly. Precise aiming only matched by a computer mouse, but even more immersive.
Racers - Controller attatchment will likely convert controller into steering wheel. Like existing wheels, only less pricey! Great!
Mario Party - Will deliver the Mario Party experience like you've never played it before...You better start beefing up those scrawny geek arms if you wanna keep up with the demanding physical tasks MP Revolution will likely have. Instead of just rapidly tapping the A button, you'll now have to shake it like a polaroid picture! And so on...
Smash Bros/Fighters - Not real sure how it's gonna work...may suffer...
Animal Crossing/MMORPGs - Again, unsure of the controller's usefulness...May be used to direct character like the touch screen in the DS version of AC. Fair enough.
Pikmin - Will likely work nice with the nunchuck attatchment for movement.
Monkey ball - Controller tilt will likely tilt the map. May feel a bit wonky, but will probably be beneficial to precision. I'd say it's a plus.
Mario/Adventure Games - Adventures might use the controller to swing a sword or other weapon. Mario...I dunno...
Sandlard 12-17-2005, 10:26 AM I just want the controller they are like nunchakus.
viper.gtsr 12-26-2005, 11:30 PM I want a Revolution.
I'll kill all the Anti-Nintendo Nazis for one!
joshisposer 12-27-2005, 12:40 AM nintendo is just making up for there no hd platform
that first paragraph is just bs
the graphics are pretty hd with hd tvs so it as clear as possible on sd tvs which makes it so much better. Nintendo just made a big foul up on the system with their non-hd and bad controller.
PS3 all the way! Go Blu-Ray. Best hd out there.
Slpnwata 12-31-2005, 10:42 PM nintendo is just making up for there no hd platform
that first paragraph is just bs
the graphics are pretty hd with hd tvs so it as clear as possible on sd tvs which makes it so much better. Nintendo just made a big foul up on the system with their non-hd and bad controller.
PS3 all the way! Go Blu-Ray. Best hd out there.
**** you^
all the anti-nintendo *****es will go down...
viper.gtsr 12-31-2005, 10:46 PM Nintendo is just making up for there no HUD platform
that first paragraph is just BS
the graphics are pretty HUD with HUD TVs so it as clear as possible on SD TVs which makes it so much better. Nintendo just made a big foul up on the system with their non-HUD and bad controller.
PS3 all the way! Go Blu-Ray. Best HUD out there.
Rich gamers don't care if its Hd or not.
HD stands for hot doo-doo.
Hd is costly, and most gamers can't afford things like HD TVs or HD counsels.
HD is BullSh*t.
guess_who_i_am 12-31-2005, 10:52 PM nintendo is just making up for there no hd platform
that first paragraph is just bs
the graphics are pretty hd with hd tvs so it as clear as possible on sd tvs which makes it so much better. Nintendo just made a big foul up on the system with their non-hd and bad controller.
PS3 all the way! Go Blu-Ray. Best hd out there.
Your calling the Revoultion controller bad have you seen the PS3 boomerangs I mean controllers
viper.gtsr 12-31-2005, 10:55 PM Your calling the Revoultion controller bad have you seen the PS3 boomerangs I mean controllers
*Trows the PS3 controler like a boomerang, it comes back, and hits him in the head*
Ouch.
guess_who_i_am 12-31-2005, 11:03 PM Can someone find the little animation thing Link's new boomerang It has Link using the PS3 controller as a boomerang I have seen it.
viper.gtsr 12-31-2005, 11:09 PM I can't find it...
Stokes 12-31-2005, 11:33 PM nintendo is just making up for there no hd platform
that first paragraph is just bs
the graphics are pretty hd with hd tvs so it as clear as possible on sd tvs which makes it so much better. Nintendo just made a big foul up on the system with their non-hd and bad controller.
PS3 all the way! Go Blu-Ray. Best hd out there.
The Nazis have arrived. Get ready to fight, men!
*reloads shotgun*
:P
Joshisposer claims that the first paragraph is BS...
Do high-definition graphics look fantastic? Yes.
Are HDTVs expensive? Yes.
Are HD games expensive to develop? Yes.
Will that extra expense be passed on to the customer? Yes.
Does HD require lots of RAM and high-end graphics chips? Yes.
Will that lead to a more expensive console? Yes.
I couldn't spot any false information in that paragraph. Could you?
Oh, and the thing about HD graphics looking good, I agree with you completely, and so does Iwata! But it's the sacrifices must be made that make it not worth it. I think they made the right decision.
viper.gtsr 12-31-2005, 11:37 PM The Nazis have arrived. Get ready to fight, men!
*reloads shotgun*
:P
Joshisposer claims that the first paragraph is BS...
Do high-definition graphics look fantastic? Yes.
Are HDTVs expensive? Yes.
Are HD games expensive to develop? Yes.
Will that extra expense be passed on to the customer? Yes.
Does HD require lots of RAM and high-end graphics chips? Yes.
Will that lead to a more expensive console? Yes.
I couldn't spot any false information in that paragraph. Could you?
Oh, and the thing about HD graphics looking good, I agree with you completely, and so does Iwata! But it's the sacrifices must be made that make it not worth it. I think they made the right decision.
Me too.
guess_who_i_am 01-01-2006, 08:29 PM I can't find it...
neither can I and I googled it
viper.gtsr 01-02-2006, 04:22 PM neither can I and I googled it
I serched here, and googled it.
jak5255 01-05-2006, 10:35 AM nintendo revolution supports the new controller & gamecube controller
for different games so it doesn't matter if the new controller will be bad on games like SSB because you can just use a gamecube one.
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revolution rules
Ryu-Nacho 01-05-2006, 01:29 PM I'm not an Anti-Nintendo Nazi or anything, but you said that all of this information is the offical repsonse from Nintendo. Of course they're going to sell they're product like it's the best.
guess_who_i_am 01-05-2006, 06:17 PM because it is
Ryu-Nacho 01-05-2006, 07:03 PM Maybe in some areas. Myself, I prefer the PS3, because of all the neato things it can do, like pulling bunnies out of a hat and stuff.
*If you really wanna know, ask Foulplay. He's really into this junk*
guess_who_i_am 01-05-2006, 08:05 PM revolution has most of nintendos games.
viper.gtsr 01-05-2006, 08:15 PM I wonder if you can hook up a GBA to it, like the Game Cube did.
(Although I don't have one, I played my Pokémon against my friends, and kicked his butt!:))
foulplay 01-06-2006, 01:17 AM Let's not get into another flame war, everyone knows a few things:
Nintendo will be successful
Nintendo will have less third party support but nearly as many good games, 90% first party
Revolution will be good not because it's powerful but because it's economical and also has a lure for us retro gamers.
Oh yeah, real people DO care about HD, it's one of the reasons why I'm getting the PS3 (1080P).
mentalskater 01-06-2006, 08:16 PM if i were to go out and buy a revoultion and a xbox 360, and my same tv, it would cost me about a 1000 dollars, if i were to buy an hd with the same size and features for the most part and a ps3 (im using the estimated price for ps3) i would spend about $2000,
and the estimates for blu ray games would be $80 a piece, so i could enjoy two systems and have $1000 worth of games, or i can buy just the ps3 and the tv and play maybe one game for a long time for around the same price.
i think not buying the ps3 is a good idea, i would love to have one, but i dont plan on it
Stokes 01-06-2006, 08:37 PM Nintendo will be successful
Isn't it a little too soon to say? I mean, sure, a lot of people want to buy it, but...in terms of successfulness, we really don't know what kind of gameplay to expect from the revo. Obviously most of the games will use the pointer as opposed the the cube-style controller, so we can't expect gameplay to be the same as other consoles.
Nintendo will have less third party support but nearly as many good games, 90% first party
Meh, not necessarily. Don't forget that since the PS3 and XBox 360 are hi-def, it is more costly to make games. I'm unaware of the actual cost, or whether or not they can get the money back through increasing their product prices, but it may make developers consider taking the cheaper, easier Nintendo path...
I'll admit that there's nothing quite like those genuine Nintendo titles, though. They're likely to achieve the greatest sales. I could see third parties making good FPSs, though.
Revolution will be good not because it's powerful but because it's economical and also has a lure for us retro gamers.
Agreed. But I also think that there's more to this controller than most people have put thought into, and once it releases, people might see this and cause the potential buyer pool to increase.
Oh yeah, real people DO care about HD, it's one of the reasons why I'm getting the PS3 (1080P).
I'll admit that HD is cool. But I'll have to play my XBox or PS3 in the living room if I want to play in hi-def. And while I could still play on a smaller TV or on my comp, not playing in hi-def on a hi-def-oriented console is just...wasteful. In other words, while it's cool and all, I probably wouldn't use it. I'd much rather play on a smaller screen in my room. I don't mean to say that hi-def isn't for anyone, I'm just saying that most people don't have a hi-deffie in their rooms, and I could see a lot of people playing the XBox 360 on a living room high-def TV, saying "OH SWEET JESUS!", and then taking it directly to their bedroom for all future use...
Painintheglavin 01-06-2006, 08:37 PM Yeah,the only reason I want the PS3 is so I can get Linux for it and make it a computer.(I did it on the Xbox,but only because I thought it was ironic.) :)
joshisposer 01-06-2006, 08:49 PM people say HD is not worth it mainly because they haven't experienced it. don't ask, what's the difference because it is impossible to explain. "it is clearer than life." It is worth all of it's money because u can go places that you haven't even dreamed of. it is just so amazing.
Hayubasa 01-11-2006, 02:24 AM I love all the game systems, they all have thier own thing.
Sony gives better storylines and high graphic capabiliteis to make the RPG games more breath-taking and life like.
Microsoft gives almost human like graphics to the games and makes them quick and easy to play, wich is fun for multiplayer.(Xbox is crap for story and gameplay changes though, bill gates needs to hire more expensive designers and writers)
Nintendo cheaps out on graphics, but they are at the top because the cartoonish graphics give the games a nice, less depressing effect, and Nin has the rights to all the old-school game companies that every1 loves.
The thing that bothers the hell outta me is the control, if i wer the boss, id make the controller....less.............***.
Stokes 01-11-2006, 02:02 PM ""it is clearer than life"
O...kay....
"It is worth all of it's money because u can go places that you haven't even dreamed of. "
Where are you coming up with this stuff?
"it is impossible to explain."
It's not impossible to explain. In fact, it's very, very possible to explain. There's more pixels on the screen! OMG!
And I've seen tons of hi-def TVs, and frankly, I wasn't impressed. The picture quality is exactly the same as lo-def was, back when everybody still had twenty-something inch TVs. But now that everybody's got 50-60", the picture quality turns to crap when you blow the picture up. Hi-def is really just a size-quality compensation device...nothing new.
It's not that I'm against hi-def, it's just that you can still get a quality picture from a smaller TV in lo-def...
guess_who_i_am 01-12-2006, 09:40 PM I love all the game systems, they all have thier own thing.
Sony gives better storylines and high graphic capabiliteis to make the RPG games more breath-taking and life like.
Microsoft gives almost human like graphics to the games and makes them quick and easy to play, wich is fun for multiplayer.(Xbox is crap for story and gameplay changes though, bill gates needs to hire more expensive designers and writers)
Nintendo cheaps out on graphics, but they are at the top because the cartoonish graphics give the games a nice, less depressing effect, and Nin has the rights to all the old-school game companies that every1 loves.
The thing that bothers the hell outta me is the control, if i wer the boss, id make the controller....less.............***.
Nintendo has better storylines adn a way way better controller than the ps3 the ps3's controller is a boomerang
Heyyou27 01-12-2006, 09:48 PM Let's not get into another flame war, everyone knows a few things:
Nintendo will be successful
Nintendo will have less third party support but nearly as many good games, 90% first party
Revolution will be good not because it's powerful but because it's economical and also has a lure for us retro gamers.
Oh yeah, real people DO care about HD, it's one of the reasons why I'm getting the PS3 (1080P).
Well also notice how much a 1080p television costs. Anyone buying a PS3 to play videogames, probably doesn't have the salary for a 6000$ tv.
Nintendo has better storylines adn a way way better controller than the ps3 the ps3's controller is a boomerang
Something you should be good with.
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