Microsoft is losing it's monopoly in several areas.First of all,Tivo and Adelphia Digital Cable together can give you most of the functions of MSN TV,and people buy from them now.IEis losing market share.IE went from 95% to 86% in 2 years.most of it to Firefox.Windows is losing market share to Apple and Linux.Apple's market share has almost doubled in market share in 3 years,and many big businesses support Linux (IBM,Dell).Outlook is losing to Mozilla Thunderbird and Yahoo!.The only 2 Microsoft products that are untouched are the Xbox (which can be made to run Linux.Using a Microsoft game.)and Windows Mobile.

By the way,MSN and Outlook do not have monopolies,but are influncial and still widely used.

No they are not lol. Microsoft is wiping the floor with Sony in america these days.
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Your thinking of in games and paintheglavin is also from america.

No they are not lol. Microsoft is wiping the floor with Sony in america these days.
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You're an idiot. Microsoft isn't "wiping the floor" with anyone in the console videogame industry. I'll wait another few months for the PS3 to come out. As far as I'm concerned, the Xbox360 is not a console I would ever consider buying.

its power supply is too beefy. this causes the thing to crash ALL THE TIME. and last time i checked sony PLaystation 2 sales are beating that of the xbox. do your research first.

yeah, 100 million PS2's sold to like 20 million X-Box's

btw, Microsoft is now hiring 3,000 people from India to work for them in India, it's cheap labor for them, they're going to need it too, because X-Box 360 lawsuits aren't cheap to take care of

So I Want Halo I Want Halo2 So I Want Halo I Want Halo2 So I Want Halo I Want Halo2 So I Want Halo I Want Halo2 So I Want Halo I Want Halo2 So I Want Halo I Want Halo2 So I Want Halo I Want Halo2 So I Want Halo I Want Halo2

I Want A Beefy Top Of The Line Peice Of Hard Wear Not Some Japanese Peice Of S#!t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's not a piece of ****, at least you can use different OS's on it, like Linux, for the PS3 (not the PS2)

So I Want Halo I Want Halo2 So I Want Halo I Want Halo2 So I Want Halo I Want Halo2 So I Want Halo I Want Halo2 So I Want Halo I Want Halo2 So I Want Halo I Want Halo2 So I Want Halo I Want Halo2 So I Want Halo I Want Halo2

I Want A Beefy Top Of The Line Peice Of Hard Wear Not Some Japanese Peice Of S#!t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So you'd be happier with a Canadian graphics processor? The PS3 uses a little Santa Clara company known as Nvidia. :)

So you'd be happier with a Canadian graphics processor? The PS3 uses a little Santa Clara company known as Nvidia. :)
They made me a crappy stock video card!http://gprime.net/board/images/icons/icon8.gif

They made me a crappy stock video card!http://gprime.net/board/images/icons/icon8.gif
Who? Nvidia or ATI? Both of them make crappy stock videocards. That's why they're "Stock". If you want a real videocard you'll get a 7800 GT or higher. (Or X1800 XL)

Who? Nvidia or ATI? Both of them make crappy stock video cards. That's why they're "Stock". If you want a real video card you'll get a 7800 GT or higher. (Or X1800 XL)
Nvidia.
I did have a ATI 9000 Pro series on the computer after the stock card was out, but the my dad took the ATI card out and put the stock Nvidia card in again.
He was making his own computer from scratch.

I think one thing people dont realize, is that nVidia doesn't make video cards. They just make the chipsets and leaves it up to other companies to make the actual cards.

Nvidia.
I did have a ATI 9000 Pro series on the computer after the stock card was out, but the my dad took the ATI card out and put the stock Nvidia card in again.
He was making his own computer from scratch.
That's not a very good videocard either.

I think one thing people dont realize, is that nVidia doesn't make video cards. They just make the chipsets and leaves it up to other companies to make the actual cards.
You're right, but basically you're referring to the companies assembling the cards. Then couldn't I say, because a store such as Wal Mart is reselling a product, that they have made it? When in fact they could be repackaging or assembling something created by someone else? I built my pc, that doesn't mean I actually created it.

That's not a very good videocard either.
Better then the one I'm using now.

Better then the one I'm using now.
You could get a Geforce 6800 GS for under 200$, or even a Geforce 6200 for less than 100$.

You're right, but basically you're referring to the companies assembling the cards. Then couldn't I say, because a store such as Wal Mart is reselling a product, that they have made it? When in fact they could be repackaging or assembling something created by someone else? I built my pc, that doesn't mean I actually created it.
As far as I know, ATI actually assembles their cards, packages, and ships them. nVidia just makes the base chips, and its up to the individual companies to make the rest of the cards.

As far as I know, ATI actually assembles their cards, packages, and ships them. nVidia just makes the base chips, and its up to the individual companies to make the rest of the cards.


Well, not always. You can buy an actual ATI videocard, but other companies like ASUS and Powercolor also assemble their cards, they're usually about the same price and quality, however are much more available when they aren't ATI brand.

makes sense. I'm a loyal nVidia person, so I dont follow ATI much.

yeah, ATI video cards can be both 1st and 3rd party. As for the topic, Microsoft is definitely losing its monopoly. For years, they dominated with Windows, IE, Office, and MSN. Being in control of all that forever is just impossible. Personally, I am a fan of Microsoft Products. They have done many innovative things, and basic tasks are extremely easy. Linux is definitely growing in popularity, but I can't really see the average PC user switching over - using it is just harder. As for OS X, it is very attractive, but if it didn't have a console, I would literally rip my hair out.

I think it is good that there are lots of companies/people stepping up to Microsoft's level. The competition will just result in better products coming out. Google has been giving MS a scare lately with whatever the hell they are conjuring up. Every week I see them buying something huge and not releasing details. One other thing I want to say: oo.org is a ripoff of Office. They can be a little more original. I heard Office 12 is going to be pretty innovative. Hopefully, that will set them above oo.org for sure.

and that is my two cents :)

Personally, I am a fan of Microsoft Products. They have bought/copied many innovative things, and basic tasks are extremely easy.
fixed that quote for ya :)

One other thing I want to say: oo.org is a ripoff of Office. They can be a little more original.
that's by design. The idea is to make it exactly the same so there is no learning curve when trying to get people to switch. As far as original, that's hard to do in an area where there's not much more that can be done. At least they support open standards for their formats instead of coming up with their own stuff, trying to call it "free", while placing huge restrictions on what can and cannot be done with it.

makes sense. I'm a loyal nVidia person, so I dont follow ATI much.
Same. I own two AGP 6800 GTs and now two PCI Express 7800 GTs in my current pc. :)

I take donations :) (not that I really need it.... have a 6600gt that does what I need it to)

I take donations :) (not that I really need it.... have a 6600gt that does what I need it to)
A 6600 GT is all I'd use for things like videos and web browsing. But I play games like F.E.A.R. and need my SLI setup with dual 7800 GTs. It runs okay on my 6800 GT but, it's still not the same.

You could get a Geforce 6800 GS for under 200$, or even a Geforce 6200 for less than 100$.
Thanks, I might get one for chrisms.

Thanks, I might get one for chrisms.
It's a great card for $200.

No they are not lol. Microsoft is wiping the floor with Sony in america these days

Everyone is wiping the floor with Sony.

Very true Sony has more sales if you count Japan. America is what matters on this topic. (no offense Canadians we are seeing the comparisons between microsoft, sony, and other com)!!!!

Very true Sony has more sales if you count Japan. America is what matters on this topic. (no offense Canadians we are seeing the comparisons between microsoft, sony, and other com)!!!!
Well considering both systems suck horribly, I'll be going for the ultra cheap, Nintendo Revolution.

the nintendo revolution has 20 years backwards compatability(with possible playabillity of sega games) and funky controlers its gonna be interesting

Lol!!!!!!!!!1

sounds interesting...

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"If [Sony] slides too far, they'll find themselves in the same situation as the Xbox did when they launched the PS2 a year before we entered," Craig Mundie, Microsoft's chief technical officer. "That's a hill to climb." First, who does PR for the Xbox group? They really need to shorten the leash on J. Allard and his pals. Unlike Microsoft's situation with the original Xbox, Sony already dominates the console market, has a strong presence in Asia (which Xbox still lacks), has a large library of games and tons of developers. The thing that allowed the Xbox to gain what market share it does have was that is was a superior piece of gaming hardware. This time around, Sony still has all of its original advantages: market dominance, library of games, Asian market, and many more developers. The biggest difference is that now it also is stealing Xbox's only advantage: superior hardware. While it's great, in theory, to be out of the gate first, if SEGA taught us anything, it's that there's a lot more to being a player than showing up first to the party.
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If there are some people out there right now who are in the know when it comes to what the hell is going on -- we mean really going on -- with Sony, it's those investment firms. But even barring their research analysts getting all kinds of privvy information from direct executive input or connections on the supply side, it's kind of funny when one of these investment firms lets loose some juicy gossip. Like that Sony's albatross PlayStation 3 is going to cost them $800 per unit at launch (they list $900, but apparently Lynch financial analysts can't add their own totals). $800 per unit? Doesn't sound unreasonable considering what Sony's trying to get under cram under the hood of this thing; Lynch calls it an "expensive and difficult-to-manufacture product" because of the Cell processor and Blu-ray drive, which account for the lion's share of the backend parts costs (see above (http://gaming.engadget.com/2006/02/18/playstation-3-costs-900-sez-merrill-lynch-mob/)). Granted, most of this analysis comes off as estimation and prediction, but we'd like to make a prediction of our own: the PS3? She's like Kutaragi's Spruce Goose. Oh she'll fly alright, but at what cost?

The PS3's hardware is hardly superior to the Xbox360s. The Cell's 7 SPE's are a joke and can do little more than a graphing calculator, where as the Xbox360 has 3 general processing cores which will be capable of more real functions. The PS3's GPU is no more than a clocked down 7900GTX, where as the Xbox360s is a unified shader architecture that supports some newer features such as Direct X10; also the Daughter core on the "Xenos" GPU is capable of hardware antialiasing, meaning no performance hit with antialiasing enabled.

Don't get me wrong; I hate both the PS3 and Xbox360, but I know understand what the hardware really is.

I really hope you were kidding about buying the revolution...

I really hope you were kidding about buying the revolution...
There's nothing wrong with a cheap party system.

I don't play console much anymore. I used to be a console gamer until I got hooked on PC. As for the whole Microsoft thing. I think Microsoft might as well give up on the whole video game concept because first off they made the huge cumbersome Xbox...which was pretty powerful but I'm better off getting a super good PC built on my own. Then there's the 360, which is pretty much still not so good and probrably just as bad as the Xbox can be.

Back on topic,do any of you think Novell will get a company to sell SuSE?If it doesn't hurt Microsoft,it will scare them.Not that I really care,I just want to see what Microsoft will do in response.

Buy them out?

Doubt they would do that,Novell would get their HQ burned down by Linux zealots.

They will still attempt to buy them out.

As soon as the PS3 comes out it will probably have some kind of serious problem with it. I mean Sony isn’t perfect, neither is Microsoft. But Microsoft knows how to do it. Kick *** speeds and all kinds of goodies it makes you think why Microsoft didn’t think of incorporating bluetooth technology first.

I don't any console will be much better than the others.It will all come down to what games you want.