View Full Version : File-sharing is eroding the moral fiber of Canadian youth


blackice
09-30-2005, 04:05 PM
File-sharing is eroding the moral fiber of Canadian youth (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050930-5368.html)
9/30/2005 12:47:37 PM, by Eric Bangeman

Provocative headline? Well, that's what the Canadian Recirding Industry Assocation would have you believe (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050929.wpiracy0929/BNStory/Technology/) as it trumpets the results of two studies it commissioned from the Canadian research firms Pollara and Environics. According to the survey, which Canadians aged 18 to 29 were three times more likely than the rest of the population to shoplift and 2.7 times more likely to cheat on an exam than those in other groups.

When it comes to downloading music over P2P, 60 percent of Canadians in that age group would do it, compared to 29 percent of the general population. The CRIA says the figures mean one thing: young people have no respect for the property of others.

"Not only does music file-swapping harm artists, but it also points to an erosion of respect for intellectual property that threatens Canada's economy and values at the core of our society," said Graham Henderson, president of the Canadian Recording Industry Association, which commissioned the polls.

"The 'if it's there, it's free' thinking extends far beyond entertainment products and software to ideas themselves," Mr. Henderson added, noting a rise in plagiarism in schools and universities.

A few points: the 18- to 29-year-old segment also represents one of the most technologically adept segments of the population. So increased time spent downloading music over P2P networks is to be expected in much the same way that they spend more time online and are more comfortable with technology in general. Also, just half of the Environics sample came from online surveys, which more than likely skewed the results.

Moreover, as any first-year psychology student will tell you, correlation does not prove causation. In researching this story, I read over several studies on the incidence of shoplifting. Despite what the CRIA would have us believe, teenagers and young adults are more likely to shoplift, period. That's regardless of whether they download 300 songs per month or have never gone on the Internet. How much more likely? Strangely enough, about three times more likely—the same figure reported in the CRIA-commissioned study.

This is just another in a long line of attempts by the recording industry around the world to paint file-sharing as a dire threat to its livelihood. The Pollara study also resurrects the old and tired argument (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050815-5208.html) that each download represents a corresponding loss in sales. Does anyone really believe that the college freshman who has 1,000 downloaded tracks in her WinAmp playlist would have had the financial wherewithal to buy the 100 or so CDs that represents had they not been available on P2P?

If you haven't figured it out, the CRIA is trumpeting the results of the study in advance of legislation (http://www.parl.gc.ca/LEGISINFO/index.asp?Lang=E&query=4527&Session=13&List=toc) up for a second reading in the Canadian Parliament. Bill C-60 would significantly amend Canadian copyright law in a way that would be harmful to Canadian consumers. Included are provisions similar to the DMCA in the US that would bar circumvention of DRM, even for fair use purposes. And naturally, it would overturn the Copyright Board of Canada's decision (http://arstechnica.com/news/posts/1071297605.html) that P2P downloading was ok. This would probably be a good time for our Canadian friends to contact their MPs and let them know their thoughts on C-60.

Junk_Train
09-30-2005, 04:18 PM
They always fail to mention the bands that got where they are because of p2p. One band for instance, Five for Fighting.

murderbydeath
09-30-2005, 04:36 PM
i was downloading music as i read that.

i agree, indie bands cant afford the huge price places charge for selling their cds.

isharted
09-30-2005, 05:07 PM
yeah, if you think about it, it is kind of rediculous how many people have been getting free stuff for years.....doesn't seem right without consequence

murderbydeath
09-30-2005, 05:12 PM
maybe they should implant chips in baby's brains so that they can only hear music they've paid for. you buy a cd and you and only you can hear it, that is of course your friends have paid for it as well.

Led_Zeppelin
09-30-2005, 05:17 PM
Most kids in my school are idiots. One kid today actually thought Sir John A. Macdonald invented the Big Mac.

In math, we were doing estimates (Beginning of this year). The teacher gives us the first equation. 3X=15. So, freaking, easy. The teacher says "Can anyone guess what X is?" someone says five, and then the girl next to me, in all seriousness (that's not a word, is it?) says "Where did you get 5 from?"

I must also note, I'm in what's considered the advanced math class. If someone in a University Math course can't solve 3X=5, something is wrong.

Junk_Train
09-30-2005, 05:19 PM
Most kids in my school are idiots. One kid today actually thought Sir John A. Macdonald invented the Big Mac.

In math, we were doing estimates (Beginning of this year). The teacher gives us the first equation. 3X=15. So, freaking, easy. The teacher says "Can anyone guess what X is?" someone says five, and then the girl next to me, in all seriousness (that's not a word, is it?) says "Where did you get 5 from?"

I must also note, I'm in what's considered the advanced math class. If someone in a University Math course can't solve 3X=5, something is wrong.

Excuse me but, what the hell does that have to do with the original post?

Led_Zeppelin
09-30-2005, 05:28 PM
Excuse me but, what the hell does that have to do with the original post?

According to the survey, which Canadians aged 18 to 29 were three times more likely than the rest of the population to shoplift and 2.7 times more likely to cheat on an exam than those in other groups.


It shows how stupid people are. Instead of studying, or paying attention, they're being idiots.

murderbydeath
09-30-2005, 05:29 PM
Most kids in my school are idiots. One kid today actually thought Sir John A. Macdonald invented the Big Mac.

In math, we were doing estimates (Beginning of this year). The teacher gives us the first equation. 3X=15. So, freaking, easy. The teacher says "Can anyone guess what X is?" someone says five, and then the girl next to me, in all seriousness (that's not a word, is it?) says "Where did you get 5 from?"

I must also note, I'm in what's considered the advanced math class. If someone in a University Math course can't solve 3X=5, something is wrong.


It shows how stupid kids are. Instead of studying, or paying attention, they're being idiots.


no he's talking about MORALS, not intelligence. smart kids can cheat and steal too.


so yeah your school system teaches a bunch of retards. i think we call that "special education" math at our school.


back to thread.

Deusparadoxi
10-01-2005, 09:00 PM
There may be a large misconception in tieing downloading things and erosion. It seems to me that the type of people who would shoplift, cheat, or have a habit of that strain of mentality would be the ones more likely to download things illegally in the first place, not the other way around.

haha
10-01-2005, 09:39 PM
i COULD go buy cd's... but that would involve having money in the first place