If God can do anything...Can he make an object he cannot lift?

its an impossible matter to discuss

its a logical paradox with no answer

like the chicken and the egg story

the chicken and the egg does have an end though

it may have an ending, but the beginning is the confusing bit

the end is when the OMNIVORES come out and wiipe out the chicken, the cute little chickens that get tortured everyday and pumped with steroids and grow soo fast their legs cant hold them and they suffer until they are finally killed and sold as Legs and Breasts

it says egg it doesnt say chickens egg therefore it can be proven that an aniumal in generals egg came first

lol good point

therefore your arguement is false CHECK PLEASE :P

Hmm... God made me. Therefore he made my spirits. My spirits are low. God never lifts my spirits.

Ah, abstract nouns in reply to a philosophical question... *Mumbles*

The chicken came first by the way.

^ ¬_¬ How you figure that?

Well, the chicken would have to give birth to the egg.

^ The question never states that the egg has to be a chicken egg.

Dinosaurs came from eggs, and eventually probably evolved (or devolved) into chickens.

Besides, where would the original chicken come from anyways, if not from an egg?

How would you explain the first man? Or the first tree? We didn't see it. All we know is that they exist.

How does that actually apply to the discussion?

Besides, we have fossils from millions of years ago, and you can see how evolvution happens.

How does that actually apply to the discussion?

Besides, we have fossils from millions of years ago, and you can see how evolvution happens.

It infact does not apply the question. You have to understand that nickychris makes posts just to hear herself talk. They are all pointless. You are correct about the choice of egg over chicken.

You have to understand that nickychris makes posts just to hear herself talk.

That's true. But don't we ALL do that?

If God can do anything...Can he make an object he cannot lift?


Another question: Can God microwave a burrito SO HOT, that he himself cannot touch it?

Our mediocre brains can't comprehend the ways of God. Though I try to every day it ALWAYS ends up leaving me extraordinarily confused.

ditto (funny word)

I like hearing myself talk.

imputent fools there is no god!!

Impudent FOOL there is TOO a God!

sure believe the lie bestode upon you!

YOU believe the LIE bestode upon YOUSELF.

acually i was a christian once but why should i believe in a higher being that does nothing....when was the last time he has done anything?

Have you ever ASKED him to anything?

yes many times but nothing has ever happened

lets see: help my family with there finacial problems, get a true life, kill the evil ones, and let me be able to sleep easy.

None have been fullfilled

You have no faith in your prayers apparently. By the way God is not your servant, you have to do stuff for HIM before he does ANYTHING for YOU.

has he done anything for U?

SEVERAL. I can make a list.

make it
NOW!!!

*sigh*
1.)EVERY time our car stops in the middle of the road we pray for it to start up and it does. (that happens a lot)

2.)Protection

3.)When my sister was sick with pnuemonia in '03 she was a few days from death. We prayed and she got better within those few days.
And Christmas was in like, three days.

4.)In '03 we had NO money and lived in a crappy hotel with a bunch or crazy drunk smoking people, now we live in a gated apartment complex (and we have money)

5.) When I was a baby I had a wierd unidentified disease in my back and they (doctors) had to do something extremeley painful to my back to make it better. I think they had to crack it or something along those lines and I guess they didn't have anything to deaden the pain as well (at least not for me). My mom prayed for me to feel no pain and when they performed the operation I didn't cry and I didn't feel anything either.

6.) When my sisters were like.... three they were playing near the edje of the hill. Like, a cliff but not TOO high up but high up enough to seriously injure or kill them if they fell down. When they DID fall over the edge, literally, they were IN the air and then they were pushed back by an invisible force. It was caught on tape too. (by my uncle... my mom was very angry LOL)

Okay, that's a few. I'll put up more oif you want me to.

I'm sorry if the spelling and puctuation is crappy.

Thats cool

Thank you.

my reasoning is that everything has an explaination like the operation maybe that put novicane on you....the hill im not so sure but i want to see the tape.....the money you found a better job...pnemonia passes in a week or two....What kind of protection?...engin failure...hmmm..warm up the engin or wait for it to cool down....those are my explainations

Those are pretty lame reasonings. These are only possible with a HIGHER power. Wanna hear something AMAZING?

ok then show your higher power to me...i will only believe in him when he shows himself....WHICH will never happen

It's that kind of attitude that makes you so angry at him. It's not GOD'S fault nothing ever happened, it's YOURS.

im not angry at him i dont believe in him!! AND y is it that you and i are always argueing on a thread? OK you believe what you want to believe and ill believe what i want to believe..

Because it's true. Why do you think you decided to become an Athiest in the first place?

i became athiest because i felt the need to abondon all beliefs of a higher being because it makes you feel power less and too low to even exsist...really if there was a god he would have killed every one, for nobody is acaully good enough for this world...

You have the same athourity as God. Didn't you know that? You have the same power as God.

really, i can fly, kill things in 1 shot, create powerfull beams out of my body, and can create human life. REALLY!!??

No, you don't have his power in it's absolute. People are too selfish. But you DO have athourity over the earth. (not YOU alone, ALL humans, don't mix it up)

ok sure what can one voice do in this corupt county of ours.

Read The Bible Then U Will No!!

no one listens to an indepent in politics

the problem is that christians are always pushing non christians to becoming christians. that is what annoyes me :ranting:
i want to join a religion that dosent belive in a higher/superior and/or perfect being

Aren't NON Christians always trying to force the Christians out of what THEY believe as well??? (a.k.a. what you guys are doing now) Don't be a hypocrite.

I don't believe in anything. My theory is, live life as best as you can with what you got. Who do you think has a better chance of getting into "heaven" : A person that has killed people and done many horrible things in his life, but repented and started to believe in Jesus or whatever; or the guy that never killed anyone, maybe did some good things in his life, but never really believed in anything. I'm going with the latter. Regardless, this discussion always comes up, and always will, on the internet and I'm not participating in it any farther than this comment. No matter what I say, you're not going to change your opinion; just like no matter what you say, I'm not going to change mine.

Aren't NON Christians always trying to force the Christians out of what THEY believe as well??? (a.k.a. what you guys are doing now) Don't be a hypocrite.
You always seem to bring up religious issues. If you don't want to get "owned" then don't do it.

Well, that depends on who you are. There ARE people who change their opinion... you know, that's how they can tell the story on why they changed their opinion. Why would you say that that was the last thing you would say on the issue? What if there was something you really needed to say and you felt you couldn't becuase you said that you wouldn't talk about it anymore?
Then it would have no importance. You should not have stated that you would not talk about it anymore if that was not really what you were planning on doing. I don't like your hidden agendas. You can believe what you want.
Just don't involve other people.

Fine, i'm sorry. Is that what you all wanted to hear? I apologize. For one, you can never expect what will come flying out of my mouth because, if you didn't notice before, i'm EMOTIONAL. Happy? But honestly, why is what I'M saying so annoying to you (not just HeyYou i'm talking to alright???) and yet i'm supposed to take in everything YOU all have to say? At least let me ARGUE. But if there were any hurt feelings, then I apologize for that. But guys, just LET ME SPEAK. If we all have the right to our "opinions" then let me speak MINE without attacking me every time I type in a new post. I'm TRYING to offend because that's the whole reason why i'm saying what I am, it's for that specific PURPOSE. HELLO??? That's why we're even continuing this conversation in the first place. To OFFEND, because when a person is offended it makes them think. Which is the whole reason WHY they get offended.

You should be sorry. :happy:

Forgiveness would be nice too.

You have been forgiven.

the problem is that christians are always pushing non christians to becoming christians. that is what annoyes me :ranting:
i want to join a religion that dosent belive in a higher/superior and/or perfect being
thats true in a way like our religion teacher she hates any non catholics ie methodist or anglican

Fine, i'm sorry. Is that what you all wanted to hear? I apologize. For one, you can never expect what will come flying out of my mouth because, if you didn't notice before, i'm EMOTIONAL. Happy? But honestly, why is what I'M saying so annoying to you (not just HeyYou i'm talking to alright???) and yet i'm supposed to take in everything YOU all have to say? At least let me ARGUE. But if there were any hurt feelings, then I apologize for that. But guys, just LET ME SPEAK. If we all have the right to our "opinions" then let me speak MINE without attacking me every time I type in a new post. I'm TRYING to offend because that's the whole reason why i'm saying what I am, it's for that specific PURPOSE. HELLO??? That's why we're even continuing this conversation in the first place. To OFFEND, because when a person is offended it makes them think. Which is the whole reason WHY they get offended.

No ones stoping you from typing, so say what ever the **** you want. You will be crtiqued for idiocy though, so dont get upset.

I didn't say anyone was stopping me from typing.

Fine, i'm sorry. Is that what you all wanted to hear? I apologize. For one, you can never expect what will come flying out of my mouth because, if you didn't notice before, i'm EMOTIONAL. Happy? But honestly, why is what I'M saying so annoying to you (not just HeyYou i'm talking to alright???) and yet i'm supposed to take in everything YOU all have to say? At least let me ARGUE. But if there were any hurt feelings, then I apologize for that. But guys, just LET ME SPEAK. If we all have the right to our "opinions" then let me speak MINE without attacking me every time I type in a new post. I'm TRYING to offend because that's the whole reason why i'm saying what I am, it's for that specific PURPOSE. HELLO??? That's why we're even continuing this conversation in the first place. To OFFEND, because when a person is offended it makes them think. Which is the whole reason WHY they get offended.
I think you basically said it all in this.

Fine, i'm sorry. Is that what you all wanted to hear? I apologize. For one, you can never expect what will come flying out of my mouth because, if you didn't notice before, i'm EMOTIONAL. Happy? But honestly, why is what I'M saying so annoying to you (not just HeyYou i'm talking to alright???) and yet i'm supposed to take in everything YOU all have to say? At least let me ARGUE. But if there were any hurt feelings, then I apologize for that. But guys, just LET ME SPEAK. If we all have the right to our "opinions" then let me speak MINE without attacking me every time I type in a new post. I'm TRYING to offend because that's the whole reason why i'm saying what I am, it's for that specific PURPOSE. HELLO??? That's why we're even continuing this conversation in the first place. To OFFEND, because when a person is offended it makes them think. Which is the whole reason WHY they get offended.

Check it. Or did you forget already?

Uh oh. He's right.

How does that actually apply to the discussion?

Besides, we have fossils from millions of years ago, and you can see how evolvution happens.
There has not been ONE fossil showing one species evolving into another.

eDiT:Impudent FOOL there is TOO a God!
Oh my... FINNALLY! Another Christian republican on g-prime! Woo!

About the "does god answer prayers" thing, if you ask, the answer may be no. It's not "he doesn't care or he says yes." So "God didn't give me a moped so he's not real." doesn't count.

You all know what I meant.

There has not been ONE fossil showing one species evolving into another.

eDiT:
Oh my... FINNALLY! Another Christian republican on g-prime! Woo!

About the "does god answer prayers" thing, if you ask, the answer may be no. It's not "he doesn't care or he says yes." So "God didn't give me a moped so he's not real." doesn't count.
I agree wit u and nickychis3!! there is so a GOD! god answers spirutual messages, and if u really mean it. also u cant say "please god help me pass this test" wen u havnt even studied that also doesnt count

:pile: :smokeing1 (Remember, just say NO, to drugs) :plane: JK JK JK

Out mediocre brains can't comprehend the ways of God. Though I try to every day it ALWAYS ends up leaving me extraordinarily confused.
I think you're mediocre brain can't comprehend not having a higher being watching over you. People believe in god because they need to feel important. Always saying "God loves all of his children" because if god doesn't, who will?
Why don't we ban all medications. Go back to faith healing so we can all be saved, the lords way. Death isn't the end right? Of course not. Your body will go through radioactive decay for thousand of years until every atom that was once in your body is gone.

What the heck?

It's a quote.

I'm aware. :glare:

What the heck?
Then why is this here?

I was wondering why you suddenly brought that up.

Because I suddenly found it. I couldn't let this go on un noticed.

Whateva...

Does anyone (besides me) believe that there is no god, but everything has been mad by science? Everything i tell you! No jesus! no Adam No eve! Its just evolution! The Big Bang theory... etc... well, that was my ramble...

NO i dissagree i PERSONLY think/know/belive that there is a God, he helped me not die and to survive! so i belive!!

NO i dissagree i PERSONLY think/know/belive that there is a God, he helped me not die and to survive! so i belive!!
Natural Selection helped your survival.

Does anyone (besides me) believe that there is no god, but everything has been mad by science? Everything i tell you! No jesus! no Adam No eve! Its just evolution! The Big Bang theory... etc... well, that was my ramble...
if u read my post earlier i dont believe in god...Evolution is the anwser!!!

Natural Selection helped your survival.
No, i had faith thats how.

What does faith have to do with anything? really.

If God can make everyone with faith live, why do people die? I'm sure as some people are dying, they're praying to God to please not let them die, and they die. Isn't God suppose to be the perfect being, that listens to you? Maybe he can't handle everyone, and kills off a few million people every year. Not a very omni-benevolent guy, is he?

I believe this whole forum is proof that natural selection doesn't work.

Natural Selection helped your survival.
Psh... natural selection... How many times have you heard "It's amazing how under evolved humans made it over the past 1 billion years." Cause they didn't. It was like.... 10,000 years.

There is not ONE fossil showing one species evolve to the next. They just find fossils that look alike and say they're related.

Why is it only now in the past 100 years has our knowlege in medicine grown to an all time high? If it was a billion years of doing the exact same thing, maybe developing new tools in a hundred years or so, that we can FLY? It doesn't make sence. Evolution to me is just they're closest way to saying that God doesn't exist.

Did you know, that Albert Eintine didn't beleive in evolution? It didn't make sence to him. And I don't know how it makes sence to you, Heyyou.

And if my brain can understand the CREATER of the universe.... I would have the Periotic tables of elements of 1000 elements memorized....

What does faith have to do with anything? really.

If God can make everyone with faith live, why do people die? I'm sure as some people are dying, they're praying to God to please not let them die, and they die. Isn't God suppose to be the perfect being, that listens to you? Maybe he can't handle everyone, and kills off a few million people every year. Not a very omni-benevolent guy, is he?
Maybe he can't handle everyone.....

Emagine just EMAGINE 10 TRILLION people on earth at one time. Get the idea?

And take one look at a clear sky one night. Then tell me he can't handle it.

What does faith have to do with anything? really.

If God can make everyone with faith live, why do people die? I'm sure as some people are dying, they're praying to God to please not let them die, and they die. Isn't God suppose to be the perfect being, that listens to you? Maybe he can't handle everyone, and kills off a few million people every year. Not a very omni-benevolent guy, is he?
Faith has got to do with belive

Hmm... God made me. Therefore he made my spirits. My spirits are low. God never lifts my spirits.
probably because your spirits weigh a ton.

probably because your spirits weigh a ton.

Oh, that was cold.

Psh... natural selection... How many times have you heard "It's amazing how under evolved humans made it over the past 1 billion years." Cause they didn't. It was like.... 10,000 years.

There is not ONE fossil showing one species evolve to the next. They just find fossils that look alike and say they're related.

Why is it only now in the past 100 years has our knowlege in medicine grown to an all time high? If it was a billion years of doing the exact same thing, maybe developing new tools in a hundred years or so, that we can FLY? It doesn't make sence. Evolution to me is just they're closest way to saying that God doesn't exist.

Did you know, that Albert Eintine didn't beleive in evolution? It didn't make sence to him. And I don't know how it makes sence to you, Heyyou.

And if my brain can understand the CREATER of the universe.... I would have the Periotic tables of elements of 1000 elements memorized....


Maybe he can't handle everyone.....

Emagine just EMAGINE 10 TRILLION people on earth at one time. Get the idea?

And take one look at a clear sky one night. Then tell me he can't handle it.
Oh you're right Treefalse, I don't recall them finding fossils of the people who died during "The flood that lasted 40 days and 40 nights" Hmmm... Interesting. They didn't find fossils of Adam and Eve, but they found fossils in china that are around 5000 years old. If you're asking, "How do they know?" It's called Carbon dating.
Also, Albert Einstein was a Physicist not a Biologist.

Details details.....

Some couple was highly religious. A tornado was headed strait for their house. They claimed that God would protect them from this disaster. So why doesnt someone ask, Who do you think sent the tornado?