so i noticed that most people i talk to really hate bush.
so i was wondering, If more than 75% of the people I see and talk to hate bush, then how the hell did he win the election again?

I'm his personal lackey. I hacked the polls, and he gave me billions of dollars. The Iraqi war is a cover up for the loss he paid me.
Thats how he won.
XD

Yes, yes i do. :hippi: <-me=angry hippi.

so i noticed that most people i talk to really hate bush.
so i was wondering, If more than 75% of the people I see and talk to hate bush, then how the hell did he win the election again?
Well, Let's see. The reason is most of the people you probably talk to probably arn't old enough to vote. Just because a few friends of your dislike Bush, doesn't mean the rest of the country does. Not everone is a bleeding heart, ACLU supporting, liberal.

I've noticed the ages differ for a lot of people. Most of us are teenagers who can't even vote. Why are they trying to change the government?


I'm serious, why?

Well, Let's see. The reason is most of the people you probably talk to probably arn't old enough to vote. Just because a few friends of your dislike Bush, doesn't mean the rest of the country does. Not everone is a bleeding heart, ACLU supporting, liberal.

hes a red neck u dotn have to listen to him

hes a red neck u dotn have to listen to him
Oh I'm so sorry. I must be a redneck because unlike you, I'm not illiterate. But then again, last I checked, red necks do not have good grammar. Perhaps you to are a red neck, and in that case, welcome to the club.

i don't know but i have noticed that people that like bush are a bunch of really religious people that are closed minded. they refuse to accept things, like michael moore making videos on controversial topics. And don't say that he slanders the goverment, he only slanders people that fail to do anything while in a seat of power. i think that the politicians do things, but usually useless things that don't matter, like trying to ban gay marriage. why does the government care so much. they claim it isn't moral to allow gays to marry but that is a religious belief, not a moral belief. a moral belief would be to allow them to do as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone. so i say, so much for a free country. Oh, i hate bush for those that haven't noticed.

like you guys too! Almost every post has been against bush! what's the deal?

so i noticed that most people i talk to really hate bush.
so i was wondering, If more than 75% of the people I see and talk to hate bush, then how the hell did he win the election again?
There is evidence pointing to possible hacks of the electronic voting machines, primarily in Florida. Yet no government or law enforcement entity has pursued an investigation.

like you guys too! Almost every post has been against bush! what's the deal?
Just a guess but I'd say that most of the world hating him, including half of his own country has something to do with it.

Anybody ever read a hitchhikers guide to the galaxy? Remember the purpose of the president?

Same deal, the president is there to be hated and blamed for the governments actions and choices. Did he "MAKE" us go to war, hell no, that was congress. The president cant do anything without having his decision verified and agreed upon by congress.

But yea people hate bush, thats kinda the president's purpose the figure head, the target.

Did he "MAKE" us go to war, hell no, that was congress. The president cant do anything without having his decision verified and agreed upon by congress.
You're right, to a point. Noone made us go to war. Bush asked congress and he was given authority to use "all necessary force" to go after the terrorists that attacked us. He exploited this authority and took us into Iraq instead, which had nothing to do with the terrorist actions on September 11, 2001.

i don't know but i have noticed that people that like bush are a bunch of really religious people that are closed minded. they refuse to accept things, like michael moore making videos on controversial topics. And don't say that he slanders the goverment, he only slanders people that fail to do anything while in a seat of power. i think that the politicians do things, but usually useless things that don't matter, like trying to ban gay marriage. why does the government care so much. they claim it isn't moral to allow gays to marry but that is a religious belief, not a moral belief. a moral belief would be to allow them to do as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone. so i say, so much for a free country. Oh, i hate bush for those that haven't noticed.
Well I sort of agree with you on part of this. I am not religious what so ever. I believe religion is a way for people to try and feel better about themselfs and their existence. I also would not care if gay people wanted to get married. The only real problem is that you would then have to give marrige rights to other people. Such as someone who wants to marry their dog. I know it sounds crazy, but there are people who would want to do that. Where do you draw the line? I don't have anything against gay people but if you give them marrige status then you have to give other people it also, such as pagans who want to have 6 wives. Is that right?

Well I sort of agree with you on part of this. I am not religious what so ever. I believe religion is a way for people to try and feel better about themselfs and their existence. I also would not care if gay people wanted to get married. The only real problem is that you would then have to give marrige rights to other people. Such as someone who wants to marry their dog. I know it sounds crazy, but there are people who would want to do that. Where do you draw the line? I don't have anything against gay people but if you give them marrige status then you have to give other people it also, such as pagans who want to have 6 wives. Is that right?
wow there is nothing simaler to 2 gay people and a person and a dog. atleats the gay people are still human. that was kinda a stupid comment heyyou27 (no offense)

wow there is nothing simaler to 2 gay people and a person and a dog. atleats the gay people are still human. that was kinda a stupid comment heyyou27 (no offense)

Are you retarded? Also.. not everyone hates Bush as president or he wouldn't have been elected. All that bull**** about hacked voting machines is a bunch of crap. Rumors like to spread like flies. Anyways heyyou27 is right, if they expanded the marriage act they would not be able to stop it.

wow there is nothing simaler to 2 gay people and a person and a dog. atleats the gay people are still human. that was kinda a stupid comment heyyou27 (no offense)
No offense taken, but you have to look at all of the different groups in our country. If you give one special privileges then others will be demanding them too.

All that bull**** about hacked voting machines is a bunch of crap. Rumors like to spread like flies.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=477
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133214,00.html
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html

Almost every post has been against bush!
it is for the best.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=477
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133214,00.html
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html

Ive got a movie of a man using his penis to vote. Mabey that makes the voting poles sexist? Anything that is electronic can be hacked, it doesnt mean it was.

marrage is a religious issue y dont we just give them that thing that is like marage but isnt its like umm, well its like you get all the benafites of being married and they dont count it as marrage

marrage is a religious issue y dont we just give them that thing that is like marage but isnt its like umm, well its like you get all the benafites of being married and they dont count it as marrage
Marrige isn't really a religious issue. Just because it once had a religious meaning doesn't mean it still does. It's really more symbolic than anything.

You know what? Who cares if half the people are too young to vote? Once they are old enough they will make the difference. If you look, mainly nobody likes bush because he takes over peoples lives. He tries to make personal decisions for people. Gays? I don't like them, but i am fine if they don't bother me. Abortions? What, if a woman gets raped, they have to have a child? Adoption shouldn't be an option when parents want the best for their child. They don't want to think that the child has to go through life with a chance of not getting a true home until they get older. What if they wanted to save that child for a true love? Want to take care of it with someone that helped gave birth to it. The point is, George Dublya Bush tries to make decisions for people in which they are not his to make. But i sure as hell want to see a video about when he crashed into a cop with is bicycle and broke his ankle. :happy:

Abortion is MURDER. Hands down. It's NOT okay no matter what the situation. Even if a girl is rapped she should at least let the boy live instead of killing him before he get's to experience life. Millions... or at least THOUSANDS of children die every day due to other people's selfishness and then they try to convince themselves that they're "they're doing the right thing." Truckloads of potential lives are literally being tossed away into the garbage. And don't tell me i'm too young to understand because you aren't even female, and if you are you should be ashamed.

"I have a different stance on abortion: I'm against abortion, but for killing babies. That way everyone loses, and I win. I'm neither pro choice, nor pro life; I'm pro you-shutting-the-hell-up. The only way I'd be "pro choice" is if it meant I could choose which babies I could abort, and only then if I could lift the age restriction to 80. I was at this mall the other day watching some ****ty documentary when I came out of the theater and saw old people dancing to country music in the courtyard. I couldn't remember the last time I saw a group of people begging this hard to be aborted."- Maddox
What is the point of abortion? There are 1000s of people who want to adopt kids. Instead of having them blend your fetus to a liquid why not just have the baby and give it to someone else who actually wants it?

Well you're right about not being pro-life or pro-choice, I can't tell who's side you're on. (which was the POINT I assume)

First off, I posted a quote from maddox.xmission.com. I believe people should get to choose what they do, but in this situation I do not see why you would not just have the baby anyways. Would it really be that much worse than having an abortion? PEOPLE ADOPT BABIES. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

Bish doesnt try to control peoples lives. YOu obviously need to take a polotics class cause basic 101 is Republicans try ot keep the goverment out of your life, Democrats try to control every day to day activity.

Bish doesnt try to control peoples lives. YOu obviously need to take a polotics class cause basic 101 is Republicans try ot keep the goverment out of your life, Democrats try to control every day to day activity.
Who are you calling a bish, Ho! :happy: Even though I see it was a typo now and realize you meant to say Bush. You're right, Republicans are for a smaller federal government and Democrats are for a larger federal government.
You obviously need to take an English class. Your grammar and spelling is atrocious.

Enjoy your ha ha!

WebQuacks

wow moved to abortion >_>

I have a simple solution to every abortian case ever. Simply look at homocide laws, If crook kills a pregnent lady, how long pregnent does she need to be for the crook to get 2 charges of murder, at that point abortion is murder. See??? It easy? Then eveybody can argue what murder is >_>

Ak... I've been gone too long.

Abortion is killing a life. Just because the infant isn't fully developed and is still in the wome (spelling...), it is still a life.

There are so many more democrats on the internet than republicans. It's only statistics, so asking people here won't do much good.

well they why don't you tell people to stop using condoms too, that must be murder.

well they why don't you tell people to stop using condoms too, that must be murder.

Well arnt you a ignorant chap. I guess we should stop breathing too?

Dude, wth are you talking about, first off, if you stop breathing you won't die due to the brain stem. But you guys are talking about that being murder, i guess using condoms is murder because whenever you use condoms, that means it is an unborn child.

Dude, wth are you talking about, first off, if you stop breathing you won't die due to the brain stem. But you guys are talking about that being murder, i guess using condoms is murder because whenever you use condoms, that means it is an unborn child.
Oh you're right. What you're then saying is masturbation is murder too. The sperm cells could become life, yet by masturbating you are stopping them from fertilizing an egg. Perfect, now there is a new case for guys who can't get laid. Charge girls with murder for refusing to have sex with ugly guys. It's true, is it not gunnanator? If they had done it then they would have created life, not taken it away as you said condoms would have been also.

At least when the egg is fertilized it can grow into a baby. I don't see why you should have an abortion when you can have the baby and give it to someone who really wants it.

someone who doesn't want to go through the pain of birth maybe? hmm...

well they why don't you tell people to stop using condoms too, that must be murder.
Sex without marrage is wrong in the first place.

Ive got a movie of a man using his penis to vote. Mabey that makes the voting poles sexist? Anything that is electronic can be hacked, it doesnt mean it was.
and where did I say it was? Go back and read my original post again.

someone who doesn't want to go through the pain of birth maybe? hmm...
Oh you're right. Birth is not as painful as it USE to be right? With all of the drugs they're given now that should be no excuse.

someone who doesn't want to go through the pain of birth maybe? hmm...
And if it gets bad enough, you can have a c-section.

someone who doesn't want to go through the pain of birth maybe? hmm...

Are you a guy or a girl?

Er...okay what does that have to do with abortion or the taking of lives?

It my perspective on his or her opinion.

im a guy, i just don't understand why you guys care what other people do in that way. You say it is murder when the baby still requires the mother to live.

Bish doesnt try to control peoples lives. YOu obviously need to take a polotics class cause basic 101 is Republicans try ot keep the goverment out of your life, Democrats try to control every day to day activity.
just to test u then how does the war in iraq cause fuel prices to rise? ( i know the answear and its aq verry good one but you should know already scine you graduated politics 101)

It doesn't. Gas is a NON renuable rescourse, and there are THOUSANDS of more cars every year.

true but it would go up gradually if that was the case. (the real issue is that ira is one of the largest oil suppliers in the world. and scine we are at war with them they refuse to sell their oil so we have to buy from other companies. they see this and inturn raise their prices to make more money and vuolla a higher oil price [wow im only 16 and i knew that]) :uran_h4h:

Gas is fast to go up, and slow to go down. It's always been that way.

Once they perfect oil shale mining we will no longer rely on middle eastern oil. Unfortunately this is expected to take until 2015.
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/p/c/pcm131/oilshales2.htm

There's an enormous amount in the ocean, but sence an accedent, it's all going to waste.

Does your family use a car treefalse?

someone who doesn't want to go through the pain of birth maybe? hmm...

If you don't want a child, then don't have sex. Its that ****ing easy.

just to test u then how does the war in iraq cause fuel prices to rise? ( i know the answear and its aq verry good one but you should know already scine you graduated politics 101)

Im sorry, but that would be economics 101. It has very little to do with the war. See we buy gasoline from what is called a Cartel. Now cartels dont sell drugs if you don't know that. What a cartel is, is a bunch of producers who get together and decide how much to produce and how much to sell it at. This cartel is more notably called OPEC. Its true that the middle east makes up a majority of OPEC, the prices they set for us is the same for everyone else in the world. They are in it just for the money, not because of the war.. they could care less. So if your going to ask a question, please get your facts correct.

damn this thread is popular! wow. i'm very surprised! :pile:

Just a guess but I'd say that most of the world hating him, including half of his own country has something to do with it.
If it's half his own country, how the heck did he beat Kerry?! The polls were expecting an (aproximate. I forgot exactly) 40% voter turn out. We got like... 75% people vote. Bush still won.

Does your family use a car treefalse?
Nope, we ride unicycles. (here's your sign)

We have 3 cars for 4 people for your info. Does YOUR family drive a car?

And just food for thought, there are a LOT less people dying today than when Sadam was in power. The news media on television doesn't want to say it, but SO many people in iraq were very glad that we came.

So you people would rather have people suffer in iraq than suffer $15 dollars more per tank of gas? Think about that.

Finally. Someone on the internet that knows the truth!

If it's half his own country, how the heck did he beat Kerry?! The polls were expecting an (aproximate. I forgot exactly) 40% voter turn out. We got like... 75% people vote. Bush still won.


Nope, we ride unicycles. (here's your sign)

We have 3 cars for 4 people for your info. Does YOUR family drive a car?

And just food for thought, there are a LOT less people dying today than when Sadam was in power. The news media on television doesn't want to say it, but SO many people in iraq were very glad that we came.

So you people would rather have people suffer in iraq than suffer $15 dollars more per tank of gas? Think about that.


Cool it! I was making a point WITH Pres. Goerge W. Bush dude. I'm not against him in any way imaginable. If i'm the person you were attacking.

Ok then. It was kinda a stupid question.

I think I might have missed your point then. I thought you were complaining about how Americans use cars and waste fuel or something.

I think I might have missed your point then. I thought you were complaining about how Americans use cars and waste fuel or something.
Perhaps you thought wrong?

I don't think George W. Bush is doing good with his presidency.....because first off...he's like still continuing with that war in Iraq, even if Saddam is imprisoned he still does it...and why?
For oil? For a better economy? I think it's better not to sacrifice blood to just lower a few bucks on gas or make the US economy better. So in my opinion I just think Bush isn't doing so well.

If he went there for feul, don't you think he would have gotten some already?

Yeah, really. By the way it's um... spelled fuel.

Yeah, really. By the way it's um... spelled fuel.
By the way it's umm...called a typo.

I don't think George W. Bush is doing good with his presidency.....because first off...he's like still continuing with that war in Iraq, even if Saddam is imprisoned he still does it...and why?
For oil? For a better economy? I think it's better not to sacrifice blood to just lower a few bucks on gas or make the US economy better. So in my opinion I just think Bush isn't doing so well.

Obviously you dont watch the news or you would see TERRORISTS ARE STRIKING. You know, we call it the War of Terrorism for a reason. Untill it stops, we will still fight.

By the way it's umm...called a typo.

I wasn't trying to be rude.

Obviously you dont watch the news or you would see TERRORISTS ARE STRIKING. You know, we call it the War of Terrorism for a reason. Untill it stops, we will still fight.
I don't think he does watch the news. He's probably one of those Michael Moore following , MTV watching, Liberal idiots that believes every conspiracy theory that circles the internet.

I wasn't trying to be rude.
I know. And I learned something new today.

I know. And I learned something new today.

What is it?

Feul. F-U-E-L.

I don't want to die when a whole bunch of **** heads in the states don't even care about what I'm doing. What is happening over there needs to be done. If you don't like it, go vote. The reason Kerry isn't president is that the kind of person that would vote for him is lazy and doesn't care.

I don't want to die when a whole bunch of **** heads in the states don't even care about what I'm doing. What is happening over there needs to be done. If you don't like it, go vote. The reason Kerry isn't president is that the kind of person that would vote for him is lazy and doesn't care.
Are you referring to being in Japan, or possibly in the military? I'm sorry. Please clarify.

Did you know that last year there was an internet poll asking if they were gonna vote. About 40% said no.

I'm not in Japan because I want to live here. I'm active duty air force.

Did you know that last year there was an internet poll asking if they were gonna vote. About 40% said no.
This is the same reason they shouldn't bïtch about Bush being president.

Well, not everyone who didn't voted had a computer. They expected even less for the actual vote.

I'm not in Japan because I want to live here. I'm active duty air force.
I see. Well unlike you said, I do give a "****" what you're doing over there. I'm proud to have people like you serving our country contrary to what you or others may believe.

I wasn't reffering to every person in the states as "**** heads." Just the people that openly say they don't care about the war.

I see. Thank you for explaining.

Everyone here is just so friendly. :angel1:

I don't think George W. Bush is doing good with his presidency.....because first off...he's like still continuing with that war in Iraq, even if Saddam is imprisoned he still does it...and why?
For oil? For a better economy? I think it's better not to sacrifice blood to just lower a few bucks on gas or make the US economy better. So in my opinion I just think Bush isn't doing so well.

You know what's crazy? Record gas prices have actually proven your opinion to be wrong!

personally i cant say anythin bout him coz its not my country hes rulin but i do think the war against iraq is pointless its sad that the people who died in world war 1 an 2 tryin 2 prove that wars r worthless died 4 no reason coz that ******* goes an starts a war up again

personally i cant say anythin bout him coz its not my country hes rulin but i do think the war against iraq is pointless its sad that the people who died in world war 1 an 2 tryin 2 prove that wars r worthless died 4 no reason coz that ******* goes an starts a war up again
You're right. You should tell veterans how you think their wars were pointless. Tell that to the Jewish people who died in Concentration camps druing World War II.

personally i cant say anythin bout him coz its not my country hes rulin but i do think the war against iraq is pointless its sad that the people who died in world war 1 an 2 tryin 2 prove that wars r worthless died 4 no reason coz that ******* goes an starts a war up again

Are you even literate?

Even tho gas prices are the highest they've ever been in the US, its still lower than EVERY, yes, EVERY other country in the world. Gas in Japan is around $8 a gallon. So be happy its only $2.30. And WWI and WWII were not faught to show that there should never be another war again. I'd explain why they were faught, but I'll let your freshman history teacher teach you that in a few years...

$2.30? Where do you live? It's getting mighty close to 3 dollars here.

Before stationed in Okinawa? Northwest Illinios.

EIGHT DOLLARS?!?!?!?!?! HOLY COW!!!!!!

nah u lot dont understand wot im tryin 2 say is alot of innocent people died 4 no reason, wot is the point of war, there isnt one its just gives people the right 2 murder sum1. Bush will not solve anythin wiv this war. he complains about terrorists bombin his country an people diein well thats wot people in iraq have 2 go through everyday.

an yes i am literate ive just finished school an ive already been excepted 4 my uni that i will b startin in 2 years time so shove that up ur arse an if u critizising my slang its called txt language dumb ass so it doesnt take me as long 2 write

First of all, sometimes you have to punish countries. It's not like we didn't try to ASK Saddam to "not invade kuwait." or more recently "not to host terrorists and support them financially." What the hell do you think we can do? Just let him do his thing and help Al Quida terrorize more of our country? **** that. These people don't understand peace, and they don't want to bargain, they want us dead. Simple as that.

And another thing about your typing, if you actually practice to type correctly, it comes as second nature and you type just as fast.

I can't... not type correctly. It takes too long. :)

he complains about terrorists bombin his country an people diein well thats wot people in iraq have 2 go through everyday.The point is to stop BOTH the bombings in Iraq AND America! Don't you get it?! Don't you see!?

First of all, sometimes you have to punish countries

um y do we ave 2 punish countries exactly yes maybe the terrorists cum fromt hat country but y should innocent people die because they just happen 2 live in that country where those people live

I can't... not type correctly. It takes too long. :)

The point is to stop BOTH the bombings in Iraq AND America! Don't you get it?! Don't you see!?

how is bombin iraq gunna stop bombins in america terrorists wanna c people killed bush is just helpin them carry out there job

The army is not just sending bombs there willy nillie. They are somewhat both bounty hunters for actually WANTED men in other places too, and they kill anyone trying to kill them. Not everyone's a crazy suisidal bomber in iraq.... there are women and children living there, and we are doing our best to make sure that they are safe, while filling out orders and dueties to their country. They're doing pretty well so far.

I think that since we went into iraq we have been getting killed more...was anybody there that acually helped in the hi-jacking of 9/11... im pretty sure we are only there to get a bunch of oil for our selves....and besides didn't they say the hi-jackers come from afganistan not Iraq! One nore thing if we keep killing in iraq the stronger they will resist more... they dont want to lose there land to the americans they hate so much..

its still pointless though just a waste of lives

its still pointless though just a waste of lives
You're an idiot. Are you referring to the terrorists dying? Or Americans? All of the people serving in Iraq joined the military by choice. How is it a waste of life? Giving the people in Iraq freedom? Do you realize what we're doing? Our goal is to stop Terrorism, give the Iraqi people freedom, But I guess you just can't comprehend why someone would do this. You don't feel strongly enough about anything to fight for it.
Oh and this pointless war, they've attacked your country too. I guess it isn't completly pointless is it?

um yeh not every1 in iraq is a terrorist but theyve still died how is them bein frightened every second of there lifes whether they will live till tomorrow freedom, the wars been goin on 4 ages but we still get attacked so obviously it isnt doin anythin terrorists arent gunna give up over war they arent stupid they will just keep bombin us till the war stops an then they will probably carry on they dont care who die and neither does bush or he wouldnt of started the war in the first place u can call me stupid but everyone has a point of view i believe wars are bad they rip families apart an not only is bush killin people in iraq but families livin in other countries are also bein tortured not knowin whether there loved ones are still alive

How is Bush killing people? Oh I'm sorry. You're right. We're America, we're always the bad guys. You don't say anything about China and killing people at Tiananmen Square, or how Saddam tested poison gas on the people of Halabja on March 16th, 1988. Americans were not involved. How about the 1994 Rwandan genocide? The 800,000 people killed there? You criticize our country saying we're the cause of so many deaths but you don't even acknowledge other people dying and suffering in the world.

How is Bush killing people? Oh I'm sorry. You're right. We're America, we're always the bad guys. You don't say anything about China and killing people at Tiananmen Square, or how Saddam tested poison gas on the people of Halabja on March 16th, 1988. Americans were not involved. How about the 1994 Rwandan genocide? The 800,000 people killed there? You criticize our country saying we're the cause of so many deaths but you don't even acknowledge other people dying and suffering in the world.

You're cool.

I speak of the truth.

When it comes to our President.

About everything.

Do you believe in God?

Oh wow. I knew you'd bring this up. Well, no.

Oh wow. I knew you'd bring this up. Well, no.

Then you're not right about everything.... *sigh* let's not have a feud. :bicycle: :soccer:

You shouldn't have bothered asking, you could have just assumed I did and been happy with it.

You shouldn't have bothered asking, you could have just assumed I did and been happy with it.

But I knew you didn't but I wasn't 100% sure.

But I knew you didn't but I wasn't 100% sure.
If you knew I didn't, then how were you not 100% sure?

If you knew I didn't, then how were you not 100% sure?

I couldn't remember.

Anyways, this thread is about Bush. Now someone argue with me on how we Americans are "Bad" for going into Iraq.

Curently there are none here.

You have to live in the US to understand what's going on.

Yeah, really..... :glare:

Even then maybe not.

You don't have to be from America, you just have to be intelligent.

Ya, that's kind of what I said, but you're not entirely right. You could be brilliant and listen or read from an unreliable scource. You could be smart and hate Bush's guts.

Ya, that's kind of what I said, but you're not entirely right. You could be brilliant and listen or read from an unreliable scource. You could be smart and hate Bush's guts.
How smart are you if you listen or read from an unreliable source, and do not have the ability to decipher whether it is a biased opinion or not?

How is Bush killing people? Oh I'm sorry. You're right. We're America, we're always the bad guys. You don't say anything about China and killing people at Tiananmen Square, or how Saddam tested poison gas on the people of Halabja on March 16th, 1988. Americans were not involved. How about the 1994 Rwandan genocide? The 800,000 people killed there?.

well were talkin bout bush read the topic name

well were talkin bout bush read the topic name

You should either
1) Read his post
2) Learn to do more than just read, but think.
3) Die.

i have he says were blamin it on on americans well im not i aint said america has done anythin im sayin bush has it wasnt americans who started this war it was bush, u say i havent said bout the other events happenin well thats because were talkin about bush an not those people i would of brought them up if we were on a topic about terrorists but were not

You say that americans didn't start the war, which is right.

But we're sure as hell going to finnish it.

good coz i hate wars

Who LOVES war? Who would blow themselves up jsut to get a bit of action? Noone likes war. Not even Bush. But it had to be done.

nah i think there could of been another way around it i odnt know wot but i dont think war is the answer

Who LOVES war? Who would blow themselves up jsut to get a bit of action? Noone likes war. Not even Bush. But it had to be done.
Everyone loves War. Its a great thing for the economy.

You say that americans didn't start the war, which is right.

But we're sure as hell going to finnish it.

Exactly. :happy:

Everyone loves War. Its a great thing for the economy.
You hit the nail on the head. War is great for the economy. It creates jobs. Someone has to make our weapons.

it creates jobs coz people r diein

it creates jobs coz people r diein
No ****? People die in war?

bush SUCKS!!!!!!!

This is great. I'm done with this thread, too. Most of the people in here that hate Bush are too immature to have their own opinions, and just rely on what their parents say. Come talk to me when you vote. If you don't vote, you can't complain. Everyone gets their opportunity to change the world, if you don't use it, shut the hell up.

This is great. I'm done with this thread, too. Most of the people in here that hate Bush are too immature to have their own opinions, and just rely on what their parents say. Come talk to me when you vote. If you don't vote, you can't complain. Everyone gets their opportunity to change the world, if you don't use it, shut the hell up.
You're right. These people are morons. They've never known anything else. This is the youth that watches Mtv and hears Eminem rapping about how he hates Bush. Last I checked, rappers didn't give a shìt about the real world. It's always "I got my hoes. I just bought a new car, a new house. Look how rich I am!" They learn from their parents, the same people who say how videogames are evil, such as Hillary Clinton, but then call Republicans like Bush racist for not understanding the "Gangsta" mentality.

I am fourteen and i have my own opinions yes i have listen to my parents arguements about how bush sucks, i do to but i have different reasons and the same...you might say i am going with my partents that might be true but for sure i have my own opinions!!!

You can still have your own opinion if you go with your parents' opinions. After all, it IS your opinion on weather or not you believe they are right.

bush SUCKS!!!!!!!
Get the F*CK out of this forum you stupid b*tch! no one likes you


Are you just saying Bush sucks because your parents think so too, or are you really opinionated on the war on terror, the situation in Iraq, or anything political. And for that matter, If you do have an opinion about Bush's actions, I'm sorry to say that you're falling into the same Democratic loser cliche as everyone else who ever ended up a nobody.

You're right. These people are morons. They've never known anything else. This is the youth that watches Mtv and hears Eminem rapping about how he hates Bush. Last I checked, rappers didn't give a shìt about the real world. It's always "I got my hoes. I just bought a new car, a new house. Look how rich I am!" They learn from their parents, the same people who say how videogames are evil, such as Hillary Clinton, but then call Republicans like Bush racist for not understanding the "Gangsta" mentality.
you're right. Democrats are just the same old crowd of losers, trying to squelch every penny out of the government. These are the same people who want MORE government so they can have something to cling to.
DEMOCRATS, DIE!

*tries very hard not to laugh*

well were talkin bout bush read the topic name
nikki, ur a f*ckin dumb*ss, i made this thread, so why dont you try to not be retarded for a sec, and let me tell people what not to say here.

Wow... you're really mad.

You can still have your own opinion if you go with your parents' opinions. After all, it IS your opinion on weather or not you believe they are right.
You're wrong. A child will believe anything you tell them. Example? Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy.

..... true.

where do your opinions come from, conclusions you make after you receive guidance from your parents. everyone that has decisions about government now, were influenced by what their parents belived in their childhood. so i think that it has become whoever has the most kids will have control of the government, so wouldnt you guys want the democrats to have their abortion, that way they cant taint the mainstream idea in america. and yes, conservatives are the majority in america, it is obvious from the last election. so shut the hell up people, your side has one, no use arguing about it now.

personally, i hate the whole radical extremist things we have going on. radical conservatives that explode at everything even partially liberal. radical liberals trying to make the entire goverment liberal. these are my thoughts on leading topics in government.

*** marriage- they arent really asking for marriage, they want partnership rights, which they have, if they right up a legal contract. you could right up a contract similar to the benefits of marriage for as many people to share, so polygimist and ***s rejoice!!!

abortion- people are going to do it whether or not it is allowed. they will go into an alley and use a effing coat hanger. that not only hurts the potential baby,but the mother as well, it has happened before and the woman have died in the process. some person that was against abortion said this, "i hope more girls go use the alley technique and die, they dont deserve to live..." so much for a prolife. im for it, because are you really going to miss a small wad of cells the size of my little toe. im sure after a certain amount of time, though it should be illegalized, like after the first trimester. or however you spell that.

war- it is bull. they just the justification for the war like twenty times, it is obvious that they would've done anything to take saddam outta power. the funniest part of the whole justification, in my opinion, was when bush said "iraq is the most dangerous country in the world" ,pffftt, hahaha!!! that is the largest load of crap i have ever heard. what about north korea, saudi arabia, iran, and all of those other god forsaken countries. the problem is brainwashed muslim extremist. the only ones that are a threat are the ones in the middle east, but all we are doing is fueling the other crazies in the region. that is why the insurgeoncy will last forever if it has too. we just started a never ending rebellion that we will never succeed in putting down. so the best we can do is to findout where there little weapon sources are coming from, then tell all those freaks to leave with 48 hours and then dessimmate the place, then there is no killing but we will have crippled at least part of there infrastructure.

no, im not influenced by my parents, although i am 15. i read liberal and conservative newspapers, i listen to what michael moore and michael savage have to say. therefore i am more informed then my parents can ever be. feel free to disagree but know that all your cries of "lack of morales" and "lack of values" are crap. if you can give me irrefutable proof that all of the conservatives have the exact same morales and values that you do, then i will consider listening to what you have to say. but i garantee that you have no idea what morales and values you have. and liberals, shut up. you whine too much.

Thank you Mr. Ross Perot. Just kidding. Even tho I don't necessarily agree with your opinions, at least you had a more thoughtfull approach than saying "bush sux." Oh well, if you don't like bush, fine. If you like bush, fine. My only concern was the peoples opinion on the war. If you disagree with the war, and openly say it to a member of the armed forces, they will get mad, (like myself.) and anyone with some common sense should understand why.

im sorry if i made you mad dave,i think the troops are doing their jobs, i just dont agree with the basis for which we went to war, but we might as well finish it. also you guys did help people, which is the most important thing. i just think there were better places to target at the time.

one of the problems i have with the goverment when it comes to troops is with some things like all people had a choice to be a soldier or not. i think that is sometimes crap, some people had no other job options, it was either join the military or live on the streets or in a crappy apartment and living off of ramen noodles, im glad that people like that do exist, though, because a large country needs a large miltary for protection, and they help build a strong military. but im not too glad that that was the only option for some people. poor poor people.
You should either
1) Read his post
2) Learn to do more than just read, but think.
3) Die. im looking right at the die part right now. so immediately if someone is stupid or doesnt agree with you, they should die. i think a holes that treat others like **** should die, like you terrelbot. (you're getting close,too, heyyou)

i dont remember exactly who said this but i have to reply. it was about putting unwanted children up for adoption. do you realize how many kids are all ready in the system, what happens to them, they get screwed over because no one wants them. what do you think will happen to the new kids you force through there. they will grow up not knowing what it is like to have parents, you think you are doing the right thing but all you are doing is hurting more people than you are helping. also, they arent really babies until they take the shape of a one. it is just cells, and if getting rid of cells is a crime, we should all get life because we have millions or billions of cell that die daily on our body, so there. im tired of arguing with fake righteous bastards. you continue to think that you are right, but who can truly say what is right, not the bible, it has gone through to many mortal writers to be correct. (that is for you nickychris)
there are a couple other posts i want to comment on but ill wit to later, after i finish eating dinner.

What's sad is, those people that need the military job are some of the best troops we have. But they're mostly marines. I'm in the air force. We work smarter, not harder.

im sorry if i made you mad dave,i think the troops are doing their jobs, i just dont agree with the basis for which we went to war, but we might as well finish it. also you guys did help people, which is the most important thing. i just think there were better places to target at the time.

one of the problems i have with the goverment when it comes to troops is with some things like all people had a choice to be a soldier or not. i think that is sometimes crap, some people had no other job options, it was either join the military or live on the streets or in a crappy apartment and living off of ramen noodles, im glad that people like that do exist, though, because a large country needs a large miltary for protection, and they help build a strong military. but im not too glad that that was the only option for some people. poor poor people.
im looking right at the die part right now. so immediately if someone is stupid or doesnt agree with you, they should die. i think a holes that treat others like **** should die, like you terrelbot. (you're getting close,too, heyyou)

i dont remember exactly who said this but i have to reply. it was about putting unwanted children up for adoption. do you realize how many kids are all ready in the system, what happens to them, they get screwed over because no one wants them. what do you think will happen to the new kids you force through there. they will grow up not knowing what it is like to have parents, you think you are doing the right thing but all you are doing is hurting more people than you are helping. also, they arent really babies until they take the shape of a one. it is just cells, and if getting rid of cells is a crime, we should all get life because we have millions or billions of cell that die daily on our body, so there. im tired of arguing with fake righteous bastards. you continue to think that you are right, but who can truly say what is right, not the bible, it has gone through to many mortal writers to be correct. (that is for you nickychris)
there are a couple other posts i want to comment on but ill wit to later, after i finish eating dinner.

Finally, some one to talk to. First off, im glad you read the papers.. but your facts are serverly wrong. Conservatives do not have the majority of the population. Infact, there are less conservatives than liberals. You guessed it. Nonpartisans make up the majority now-a-days. But thats ok, your 15.

Next, *** Marraige. They dont have partnership rights. Itsn ot a nation wide thing, infact I believe the last count is 4 states give them that right. What they are fighting for is a national amendment for their rights.

War.. well.. the War is unstable. It doesnt change the fact we should support the soldiers and the idea of removing terrorism. I stand on the fact that as long as they are fighting there, I will do all I can as a American to help. I hope you can say the same for yourself, because while your enjoying that Big Mac, one of them is dodging rounds from a modified AK.

Abortion is still killing the baby. If women want to risk their lives by using a clothes hanger, good for them. If they have that much devotion to kill the child... then they should put their own life on the line. Why dont we legalize heroin and cocaine? People are doing it on the street now anyways, hell let the goverment be the only providers of all illict drugs. I cant wait for my 4 year old child to start poppin X! You may think that point is invalid, but I think murder is worse than taking a few drugs. I also believe that abortion is ok in some cases, such as rape.. or if the mothers health requires it. I know the vast majority of good mothers would give up their own life for the childs though.

Now the "Die" claim. I wasnt stating a opinion, I was stating that if he was unable to put 1 + 1 together without going beserk and attacking some one, he should prehaps consider the value and meaning of his life. I wasn't treating him like ****, if I wanted to treat some one like **** I would physicaly beat them up and make their life a living hell. If you feel like **** after reading a forum post, you should revaluate your emotions.

But any ways, enjoy your day.

A child will believe anything you tell them. Example? Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy.
My perents wanted me to believe in the tooth fary, I figured out it was fake the first night.

Yes, both my perents are Republicans and my dad is big on politics, but I am not a brainless child who only follows his perents. I have thought this through.

im sorry if i made you mad dave,i think the troops are doing their jobs, i just dont agree with the basis for which we went to war, but we might as well finish it. also you guys did help people, which is the most important thing. i just think there were better places to target at the time.

one of the problems i have with the goverment when it comes to troops is with some things like all people had a choice to be a soldier or not. i think that is sometimes crap, some people had no other job options, it was either join the military or live on the streets or in a crappy apartment and living off of ramen noodles, im glad that people like that do exist, though, because a large country needs a large miltary for protection, and they help build a strong military. but im not too glad that that was the only option for some people. poor poor people.
im looking right at the die part right now. so immediately if someone is stupid or doesnt agree with you, they should die. i think a holes that treat others like **** should die, like you terrelbot. (you're getting close,too, heyyou)

i dont remember exactly who said this but i have to reply. it was about putting unwanted children up for adoption. do you realize how many kids are all ready in the system, what happens to them, they get screwed over because no one wants them. what do you think will happen to the new kids you force through there. they will grow up not knowing what it is like to have parents, you think you are doing the right thing but all you are doing is hurting more people than you are helping. also, they arent really babies until they take the shape of a one. it is just cells, and if getting rid of cells is a crime, we should all get life because we have millions or billions of cell that die daily on our body, so there. im tired of arguing with fake righteous bastards. you continue to think that you are right, but who can truly say what is right, not the bible, it has gone through to many mortal writers to be correct. (that is for you nickychris)
there are a couple other posts i want to comment on but ill wit to later, after i finish eating dinner.
Oh mental Skater, you're right. I'm sorry we arn't in a Utopian society. The kids in the system should blame their worthless parents. Yes worthless. If they can't take care of their kids they should have never had them. Yes people want to adopt babies. Not kids 13-16. Why? Because those kids could have problems. At least the baby is so young where it will have no memory of it's previous parents and it would just like a regular family. Oh and about the thing in bold. I couldn't care less what you think of me. I'm only mean to the people who try and argue an opinion even though they are poorly educated on the subject.

at least you guys didnt cuss me out for disagreeing with you. i will start to argue the amount of people that are liberal and conservative. im pretty sure that there are a lot more liberals, but they dont truly fight for what they believe in, spineless bastards. they just sit around and complain. i thought there were more conservatives but i looked back at some of the articles i have read about conservatives, i found out that they will get out and do something if they beleive in it enough. i went back also to the thing about *** marriage, and i can not see anything saying that form up a contract is limited to a small amount of states. they can make a contract similar to marriage, but it wont be considered marriage. if someone has a article or website that proves this wrong, then post it so i may read it.

i know that it is meaningless to argue abortion to people because of their prior beliefs. so i wont argue that, too much. but i think that people are going to keep their kids for the most part. there is not that many people that will get an abortion. it has been allowed for many years and there are still many kids that are being born everyday. and when that person said, it was one of you, that people dont adopt kids at 13- 16, they are right, but those kids have been in the system since birth. there is still a steady increase in babies into the adoption service. but there isnt a steady amount of people that want to adopt, it fluctuates rapidly, usually from year to year. so peoploe that want a kid that was jsut barely born, they are going to pass up babies 1-5. i just dont think that if abortion is continued to be allowed, that everyone is going to start doing it. there are definitely enough people that wont abort to allow a large next generation. so abortion is not really that big of a deal until the baby becomes a fetus. when it really is a baby and not a wad of cells.

but for the most part, i cant really do anything of value at my age and of course my credibility is damaged just by the amount of years i have spent in this world. i think even if i were tocome up with the most persuasive argument in the world, i would be swatted down once i say i am 15. horrible how the intelligent are forced to wait for the stupid ones to catch up.

im going to go do stuff now because i grow tired of typing. see ya all later.

at least you guys didnt cuss me out for disagreeing with you. i will start to argue the amount of people that are liberal and conservative. im pretty sure that there are a lot more liberals, but they dont truly fight for what they believe in, spineless bastards. they just sit around and complain. i thought there were more conservatives but i looked back at some of the articles i have read about conservatives, i found out that they will get out and do something if they beleive in it enough. i went back also to the thing about *** marriage, and i can not see anything saying that form up a contract is limited to a small amount of states. they can make a contract similar to marriage, but it wont be considered marriage. if someone has a article or website that proves this wrong, then post it so i may read it.

i know that it is meaningless to argue abortion to people because of their prior beliefs. so i wont argue that, too much. but i think that people are going to keep their kids for the most part. there is not that many people that will get an abortion. it has been allowed for many years and there are still many kids that are being born everyday. and when that person said, it was one of you, that people dont adopt kids at 13- 16, they are right, but those kids have been in the system since birth. there is still a steady increase in babies into the adoption service. but there isnt a steady amount of people that want to adopt, it fluctuates rapidly, usually from year to year. so peoploe that want a kid that was jsut barely born, they are going to pass up babies 1-5. i just dont think that if abortion is continued to be allowed, that everyone is going to start doing it. there are definitely enough people that wont abort to allow a large next generation. so abortion is not really that big of a deal until the baby becomes a fetus. when it really is a baby and not a wad of cells.

but for the most part, i cant really do anything of value at my age and of course my credibility is damaged just by the amount of years i have spent in this world. i think even if i were tocome up with the most persuasive argument in the world, i would be swatted down once i say i am 15. horrible how the intelligent are forced to wait for the stupid ones to catch up.

im going to go do stuff now because i grow tired of typing. see ya all later.

Honestly, age is a important factor. Its like eing 14 and giving a paper on how easy it was to survive in the trenches of WW2 for a american soldier, and the american soldier who ws there telling you taht you are wrong.

Also a child is never "a wad of cells". Do you need to take a sex ed class?

Theres no such thing as a contract that is like marraige, but isnt called marraige. How about you prove that contract to me, thanks.

And about Adobtion, there isnt a surplus of children in the system.. in fact theres such a high demand for children from infertile parents that they have to goto foreign countiries to obtain the children FASTER.

at least you guys didnt cuss me out for disagreeing with you. i will start to argue the amount of people that are liberal and conservative. im pretty sure that there are a lot more liberals, but they dont truly fight for what they believe in, spineless bastards. they just sit around and complain. i thought there were more conservatives but i looked back at some of the articles i have read about conservatives, i found out that they will get out and do something if they beleive in it enough. i went back also to the thing about *** marriage, and i can not see anything saying that form up a contract is limited to a small amount of states. they can make a contract similar to marriage, but it wont be considered marriage. if someone has a article or website that proves this wrong, then post it so i may read it.

i know that it is meaningless to argue abortion to people because of their prior beliefs. so i wont argue that, too much. but i think that people are going to keep their kids for the most part. there is not that many people that will get an abortion. it has been allowed for many years and there are still many kids that are being born everyday. and when that person said, it was one of you, that people dont adopt kids at 13- 16, they are right, but those kids have been in the system since birth. there is still a steady increase in babies into the adoption service. but there isnt a steady amount of people that want to adopt, it fluctuates rapidly, usually from year to year. so peoploe that want a kid that was jsut barely born, they are going to pass up babies 1-5. i just dont think that if abortion is continued to be allowed, that everyone is going to start doing it. there are definitely enough people that wont abort to allow a large next generation. so abortion is not really that big of a deal until the baby becomes a fetus. when it really is a baby and not a wad of cells.

but for the most part, i cant really do anything of value at my age and of course my credibility is damaged just by the amount of years i have spent in this world. i think even if i were tocome up with the most persuasive argument in the world, i would be swatted down once i say i am 15. horrible how the intelligent are forced to wait for the stupid ones to catch up.

im going to go do stuff now because i grow tired of typing. see ya all later.
I don't think I've ever "cussed" someone out on gprime.

i said at least you didnt because people tend too. i cant find the exact site i got the adoption info but they said it fluctuates. sometimes kids become too old while waiting for parents. and there are truly very few infertile parents that exist. and yes, wad of cells... they dont immediately take form of a little baby. they are and egg, and turn into a fetus after a couple of months or so. I have seen those pictures that they have of the development of a child, for at least the first week they are just a small ball. i didnt say that it was easy to survive in the trenches of ww2. but i do live now and i know what it is like to be poor, my parents made about 20k to 40k when i was a child, i have two brothers and we lived in a crappy house. i know what it is like to have your parents in the military, im lucky my dad dint have to go to desert storm. because if he were to die, we would have little to no income, i would've never seen my mom because she would be working all day and night to keep the house. the military also screwed over both of my parents. they promised them a scholarship for college but they had to take classes the government wanted to take. my mom couldnt take classes for business because the government wanted her to become a nurse. i have things against the government for that and plenty of other reasons. i dont want to list them. but i have gone through some things to have been able to form an opinion about what is happening in this world. i didnt form my opinions from some completely unreliable piece of crap. i believed that i have lived long enough to know what is happening in the present. maybe older people are the true stupid ones, because they only base everything off of the past. it is a new time, and without change, we may not be able to continue to live the way you once did. i dont know if anything i say is right but how can anyone say that what they think or say is right. what if everyone is wrong, there is no definite rules or laws that tell us what is right and wrong, just the rules of man that created those laws. so no one know if anyone is right or not. i must go now to think more...

Hmmmm..... interesting.

wow i just read 150 posts and like 50 different opinion's.....
i really like ur mentality and opinions [mentalskater] i'm 16 and ur like the first 15 year old i've met that i agree with!!!
:pile:

at least one person sides with with, anyone else want to reconsider what you have learned in life and join me?... it is okay if you dont agree with me, as long as you respect my opinion. as long as you dont hold my age against me. if you do, you might as well go shove it... because when you tell me things like age matters because you havent experienced anything yet, then you must have least experienced the same things you say i havent. so when you talk about ww2 as an example, im sure your not 70 or 80 something, so your that makes your example useless because there are people that are in their 50s or 60s that have not experienced the same thing that you say i havent. im sure you would respect the opinion of someone with the age 20-60. i would understand if you used desert storm as an example or, if your old enough, vietnam. but i have a feeling that you have not really gone to war, you may have been in the military, but i highly doubt that you actually went to any war further in the past then desert storm. so stop saying

age is a important factor. Its like eing 14 and giving a paper on how easy it was to survive in the trenches of WW2 for a american soldier, and the american soldier who ws there telling you taht you are wrong.
i think there were others but i dont feel like going back and looking for them right now. see ya all later.

Convoys in Iraq for 179 days. I've been shot at. And i'm still active duty. I did my time and i'm allowed to talk about it. You preach way too much. That's the problem with younger people, they think they know it all...I used to be the same way, i know. I remember telling everyone **** off, i'm right and your wrong.

And btw, the only reason you wrote about hating the government is because of something that happened to your parents. So, was i so wrong? And if your parents had the GI bill, all they had to do was because fully enrolled in college to get it paid for. They couldn't just take 1 or 2 classes at leisure.

i'm really pissed that bush was trying to shutdown the trio program, which helps first generation college students, normally minorities, for more money to fund his bull**** no child left behind program. **** that

i dont know exactly, but my mom wanted to major in something but they said that they wanted her to take medical classes to become a nurse. she had absolutely no drive to be a nurse and she wanted to own a business. so she wanted to take certain classes to allow here to effectively own a business. but they said to take the classes that they have told her to. also some of her friends failed a class or two and they were forced to pay back 2 to 3 years worth of that GI bill. also there is a time limit in which you use the gi bill thing. i think my mom said ten years from the time you enlist to use it. so i really hope that once you get out, you will still have enough time to use what you have earned. and to let you know, my uncle has been in iraq for 16 months, but seperate tours and they are supposed to go back out soon. he got his purple heart after an injury, of course you knew that though (i said that just for the other people that have no idea what im talking about).

im not saying im right, if you were to read an earlier post, it actually talks about me possibly being wrong and the same for everyone else. i have the ability to know that there is no guarantee that i or anyone is else is right. what is right has become determined by the popular idea, but if you think back to ww2, hitler convinced most of the germans to think they were right but it was obviously not (well to us at least), though it was the popular mindset in germany (by popular i mean the majority)

i also said that i have things against the government, not that i hate it. there are plenty of pluses to the government we have but there are personal things i have against it that will never be resolved.

and the way i look at it, you are still young too. you are older than me but we are both still considered youthful. so when you say young people, you are still included somewhat in that category. and also an interesting fact, i have convinced my 19 year cousin to understand things the way i do. and he is definitely not a weak minded dumbass, so dont insult someone you dont know. i will leave you to think about this.

Mentalskater? You type a lot. :smokeing1

i do because i have a lot to say... but not now...

This forum peaks my interest. Personally, Im all for Bush. I dont remember who said it, but they were sort of right when they called the President a figure-head. People hate Bush because they have someone to blame for all of lifes problems that way. I am 16, nearing 17, but I have my own opinion, which actually goes againsts my families opinion. I like Bush for several reasons, mainly because I am Christian and i like a lot of his views. And no, Im not some closed-minded religious punk, I have spent several nights researching this and thinking about all of this. Also, for all you military people, you guys=my heros. You do your literal job, that you are ordered to do, and get crap for doing it. You do things that most of the popluation has no guts to even think about doing, the things that need to be done to help our economy strive, and you get crap for it. Well, since Ive been rambling about nothing in specific, Im gonna go.

This forum peaks my interest. Personally, Im all for Bush. I dont remember who said it, but they were sort of right when they called the President a figure-head. People hate Bush because they have someone to blame for all of lifes problems that way. I am 16, nearing 17, but I have my own opinion, which actually goes againsts my families opinion. I like Bush for several reasons, mainly because I am Christian and i like a lot of his views. And no, Im not some closed-minded religious punk, I have spent several nights researching this and thinking about all of this. Also, for all you military people, you guys=my heros. You do your literal job, that you are ordered to do, and get crap for doing it. You do things that most of the popluation has no guts to even think about doing, the things that need to be done to help our economy strive, and you get crap for it. Well, since Ive been rambling about nothing in specific, Im gonna go.
That's better than the average poster's opinion.

I dont like Bush. I think hes a moron

I dont like Bush. I think hes a moron
....that's it? That's all you'll say?

well, i dont like him because i cant stand ANY of his decisions. Hes got innocent men and women dying in Iraq for no reason, so I find that idiotic. Hes just...just...eeeeg *squeezes fists* I just dont like him. Kerry should have won.

Oh and he was put into office unfairly

EDIT: I also dont like his views on abortion, and *** marriage

There are less people dying in iraq now then when sadam was in power. Think about that.


I am against abortion. If it is hazerdous to the mother's heath, there's no point in letting the baby die and the mother. But just because you don't feel like it, that's just cruel.

There is no reason for *** marrage. The whole point of our... parts.... is for a man to be with a woman.

Still, they have no reason for being there, and yet they're just saying "what they hay, lets shoot at each other and die for another mans mistakes!"

Still, they have no reason for being there, and yet they're just saying "what they hay, lets shoot at each other and die for another mans mistakes!"
You have no idea what's going on over there, do you?

Actually I do

I don't know much about polotics and there's realy no point in trying to understand, half the time what you think you know, what's fed to the public is complete lies. About 1/4 of what they tell you could be true. You'll never realy know what kinda crap goes off. As with all presidents, George Bush is just a figure head carrying out orders. The people who run everything you've probably never even heard of, They're too valuble to the country to loose, If anyone knew the real important people they would go after them and not the president. Presidents a pretty brave and equally stupid, they carry out orders and put their life on the line. Personally....I think george bush is a monkey in an office :sleeping:

I was curious, who started this thread? Whoever did, you made a very good one. Even though it brought in a few people that seem to suck intelligence out of rooms due to thier low I.Q.....(nikki_slash)....it did bring in a lot of very bright people. One of the main reasons I love politics is it creates much debate. Not that I like conflict or anything, I just like debate, because it can bring forth intelligent arguments. Anywho, the main reason I posted again is because I've seen a few remarks about abortion. As I mentioned in a previous post, I am indeed a Christian, but I was against abortion before I became a Christian, so...its not based on my religion. Abortion is a very idiotic thing to do. First off, it is killing. I dont care what people say about its only a life once its out of the womb, or what not, it is a life from the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg. Second, it is putting the life of the mother at risk. People say that women should have the right to commit abortion so that they dont have to feel the pain of childbirth. For that, there are drugs, and as someone commented, if it gets too bad, a C-section is always an option. But, if they didnt want a child, they shouldnt have sex. I understand that a lot of abortions are due to rape, but why kill a child off because the mother doesnt want it. There are so many married couples that want a child, but cannot give birth. Give it to one of them. *Stops and looks back at what I just wrote* Wow im writing too much. Hope some pro-choice person sees at least some wisdom in what I just wrote.

I've noticed the ages differ for a lot of people. Most of us are teenagers who can't even vote. Why are they trying to change the government?


I'm serious, why?

That's true!

Oh and about the war. For all of you people that say the war is a waste, go talk to the soldiers that have been there, or that are there. Tell them what they are doing is a waste. If you had some sort of intelligent mind, you would actually think about these things instead of listening to the media. This war is not a waste. If there are still insurgents over there, that are as radical as they are, we have not given freedom to this land. One of the goals of our government is to spread our government. If we pull out, these insurgents will rise up, and take power. Now this isnt the only reason why we are there, but it is a very good reason. Think about it. Consider being one of the innocent people living there. You have radicals living all around you, wanting to take power and control your life. A nation is sending in forces to actually help you, when they could just bomb the whole country. They are sending in forces that risk thier lives to help save yours. Consider being one of the innocent people, and tell me that you would want the government to pull out.

Oh and about the war. For all of you people that say the war is a waste, go talk to the soldiers that have been there, or that are there. Tell them what they are doing is a waste. If you had some sort of intelligent mind, you would actually think about these things instead of listening to the media. This war is not a waste. If there are still insurgents over there, that are as radical as they are, we have not given freedom to this land. One of the goals of our government is to spread our government. If we pull out, these insurgents will rise up, and take power. Now this isnt the only reason why we are there, but it is a very good reason. Think about it. Consider being one of the innocent people living there. You have radicals living all around you, wanting to take power and control your life. A nation is sending in forces to actually help you, when they could just bomb the whole country. They are sending in forces that risk thier lives to help save yours. Consider being one of the innocent people, and tell me that you would want the government to pull out.

You are 16, YOU HAVE NO VOICE.

You are 16, YOU HAVE NO VOICE.

Because Im 16 I have no voice? Im actually pretty sure this is the government of the people, not the government of the adults. A whole heck of a lot of the population is under the age of adulthood, but they still matter.

I have a question for the democrats out there ( I have no idea if it's been answered yet ause im to lazy to read ) If killing babies is perfectly fine what makes it so that you can't kill a convict?

Because Im 16 I have no voice. Im actually pretty sure this is the government of the people, not the government of the adults. A whole heck of a lot of the population is under the age of adulthood, but they still matter.

Do you think the government listens to anyone under 18? ;)

Do you think the government listens to anyone under 18? ;)

No, I don't think they do. I do however think that they should. A lot of people under 18 are very brilliant minds. I dont claim to be a brilliant mind, by any means, but I do know that a lot of people under 18 are. We deserve a voice.

No, I don't think they do. I do however think that they should. A lot of people under 18 are very brilliant minds. I dont claim to be a brilliant mind, by any means, but I do know that a lot of people under 18 are. We deserve a voice.

There are more immature kids under 18 than there are intelligent.

Do you think the government listens to anyone under 18? ;)

They've been thinking about letting 15-17 year olds being able to cast partial votes so yes.

EDIT* if it is set up so this becomes a law then the right will probably only be given to young adults with high grade point averages.

Does Blackice's sig mean nothing to you, led?

If only age was measured in maturity instead of time

There are more immature kids under 18 than there are intelligent.

This may be true, but you must accept the fact that adults can be very immature as well, and idiotic on top of that. We don't listen to all of the adults, we listen to the ones that make some sort of sense. Why can't intelligent teenagers get that chance. I know that there are more immature kids than there are adults, but the fact is there are very intelligent insights that go unknown because the government doesnt listen to teenagers.

Does Blackice's sig mean nothing to you, led?

Again, it means nothing to the government.

They've been thinking about letting 15-17 year olds being able to cast partial votes so yes.

EDIT* if it is set up so this becomes a law then the right will probably only be given to young adults with high grade point averages.

Thinking, but not acting.

This may be true, but you must accept the fact that adults can be very immature as well, and idiotic on top of that. We don't listen to all of the adults, we listen to the ones that make some sort of sense. Why can't intelligent teenagers get that chance. I know that there are more immature kids than there are adults, but the fact is there are very intelligent insights that go unknown because the government doesnt listen to teenagers.

There are some true points there, but the government is run by adults, and it will stay like that for many, many, MANY years. (I doubt it will actually change)

I don't really care about changing the government right now. I have other things to worry about, like getting our of middle school in 1, or even 2 peices.

I don't really care about changing the government right now. I have other things to worry about, like getting our of middle school in 1, or even 2 peices.

Then you have to worry about getting into highschool in one piece :p

Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah, blah blah blah.
LA LA LA! Can't hear you!!!

LA LA LA! Can't hear you!!!

At least write "Blah", that's how I would type it.

Done .

I love the absolute randomness this thread has gone through. We covered Bush, abortion, *** marriage, the war, tree false and his middle school problems, and Im sure a few other things.

well, i dont like him because i cant stand ANY of his decisions. Hes got innocent men and women dying in Iraq for no reason, so I find that idiotic. Hes just...just...eeeeg *squeezes fists* I just dont like him. Kerry should have won.

Oh and he was put into office unfairly

EDIT: I also dont like his views on abortion, and *** marriage
Oh you're right. Innocent men and women dying in Iraq. Ones who chose to be there.
I love your idea of what the United States should be. A utopian society. Freedom isn’t free; that’s something you need to learn.

Oh you're right. Innocent men and women dying in Iraq. Ones who chose to be there.
Don't forget about the innocent people in the 2 towers that died for no apperent reason.

Don't forget about the innocent people in the 2 towers that died for no apperent reason.

I'm going to go back to grade school here:

Two wrongs don't make a right.

This will be the only political thing I will ever say:

Just because two towers were attacked, with many people dying (I don't know the total, I'm not really into the subject), that doesn't mean you attack an ENTIRE country. Grown men and women died. Troops in Iraq (and other countries) are bombing towns/cities, killing grown men, women AND children.


There, you've made me unhappy. I hate politics.

Well, Everyone sees the twin towers incident as an evil act of terrorism, I do too. But what most of you fail to take into consideration is that to the ones against you, you are the evil ones doing wrong, commiting wrongful acts against their religion. In their eyes they have a reason to attack you and in your eyes their the terrorists comitting unjust acts of evil for "no reason" There's always a reason. At the end of the day, despite physical appearance, we're all the same, just with different views on things. Views that conflict. The only way most people see the way to get their views accross is by fighting for them. It's sad realy...I do see war as pointless. You may tell me to tell that to the soilders Spart8907, but then tell the soilders who will die next time why it isn't, tell their familys, their children why it isn't. Everytime a soilder dies to the enemy it generates hate for the enemy by the soilders close ones. "There is no good or evil only hate" I read that in this flash, It makes alot of sence.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/lifecynical.php

I feel abortion should remain legal, My personal view is that the woman who is carrying the baby should have complete rights over her own body and her baby. I believe the father of the child should also have a say in this.

You may say abortion is wrong but take these into consideration, What if the baby was to be born badly deformed or mentally retarded? What if it was to be born so badly deformed it would be in pain for the rest of it's life, What if it was predicted it would only live a few short years. Would it be humane to let the child live? Would you honestly want to see your son/daughter every day in constant pain not knowing if this was his or her final day? What if the mother of the child was a 12 year old rape victim? Her life has been tarnished already by the rape, maybe a beating, is that not bad enough that she has to birth the child of her attacker? That's the same for any rape victim. As a man i can't imagine what going through that would be like, nor can any other man. It must be painful enough to have been raped, people feel weak, insignificant, dirty. It's shameful to talk about, painful to remember. But in your views after her going through all of that. She has to carry around the attackers child inside her for 9 month then go through the pain of giving birth to it. I think if that was the case alot of women would resort to scuicide, as alot have done after being raped.

For anyone against abortion views, please take into consideration all facts that could have happened to a woman. You are not the one experiencing that? And if it was to happen to you would you still have the same feelings? What if you couldn't have an abortion? What if every day having that child inside of you made you hate yourself.

I'm done now, if anyone bothered to read it all, thankyou for reading my views.

I'm going to go back to grade school here:

Two wrongs don't make a right.

This will be the only political thing I will ever say:

Just because two towers were attacked, with many people dying (I don't know the total, I'm not really into the subject), that doesn't mean you attack an ENTIRE country. Grown men and women died. Troops in Iraq (and other countries) are bombing towns/cities, killing grown men, women AND children.


There, you've made me unhappy. I hate politics.

Two wrongs dont make a right? ****! We should have never attacked Germany!

Stuff that does matter, blah blah blah

You may say abortion is wrong but take these into consideration, What if the baby was to be born badly deformed or mentally retarded? What if it was to be born so badly deformed it would be in pain for the rest of it's life, What if it was predicted it would only live a few short years. Would it be humane to let the child live? Would you honestly want to see your son/daughter every day in constant pain not knowing if this was his or her final day? What if the mother of the child was a 12 year old rape victim? Her life has been tarnished already by the rape, maybe a beating, is that not bad enough that she has to birth the child of her attacker? That's the same for any rape victim. As a man i can't imagine what going through that would be like, nor can any other man. It must be painful enough to have been raped, people feel weak, insignificant, dirty. It's shameful to talk about, painful to remember. But in your views after her going through all of that. She has to carry around the attackers child inside her for 9 month then go through the pain of giving birth to it. I think if that was the case alot of women would resort to scuicide, as alot have done after being raped.

For anyone against abortion views, please take into consideration all facts that could have happened to a woman. You are not the one experiencing that? And if it was to happen to you would you still have the same feelings? What if you couldn't have an abortion? What if every day having that child inside of you made you hate yourself.

I'm done now, if anyone bothered to read it all, thankyou for reading my views.

Your stance on abortion PROBABLY means your not religous. That means that to you, when you die... you will be dead. There will be no after life, you go to sleep and dont wake up. Everything youve done, gone. But atleast you got to live and see things, smell things, tase and enjoy. So its inhumane to allow that child to experince life? It seems more unfair that you are geting to choose for it. Personally I rather be here today missing all my limbs, breathing through a tube and knowing I was dieing tommorrow. That would suck not being brought into this world. No matter how pathetic your life is, atleast you got one.

I'm not religious and i don't know what happens when i die, I can't begin to comprehend. But take into consideration yet again a rape victim. What right do we have to choose what she wants to do? What if she went and killed herself because of our choice to not let her have an abortion? Would that be humane? You would be technically killing a person through mental cruelty.

Maybe you would like to die a slow and painful death rather than to have never lived but it's not the same for everyone else. If you were so badly deformed you could not move, speak, just look, stare do nothing, share nothing, no one would know how you felt, you would be entirely dependant on others. What if the person looking after you was old and sick themselves, what if they were suffering while looking after you. And you felt so helpless because you couldn't help them, no matter how hard you tried, you couldn't help you couldn't even comfort them because you couldn't talk. Would you realy still want to live? On the other hand you may have been born with a deformed mind, incapable of even managing to make sence to even form an opinion. Would that be realy worth living?

One last thing, if you were here today missing all your limbs breathing through a tube you wouldn't have done half the things in your life what you considered enjoyable. You wouldn't be able to. You certainly wouldn't be able to type with no arms, walk with no legs. Life would be very boring and painful.

Blah blah blah, stuff that doesn't matter

Maybe you would like to die a slow and painful death rather than to have never lived but it's not the same for everyone else. If you were so badly deformed you could not move, speak, just look, stare do nothing, share nothing, no one would know how you felt, you would be entirely dependant on others. What if the person looking after you was old and sick themselves, what if they were suffering while looking after you. And you felt so helpless because you couldn't help them, no matter how hard you tried, you couldn't help you couldn't even comfort them because you couldn't talk. Would you realy still want to live? On the other hand you may have been born with a deformed mind, incapable of even managing to make sence to even form an opinion. Would that be realy worth living?

One last thing, if you were here today missing all your limbs breathing through a tube you wouldn't have done half the things in your life what you considered enjoyable. You wouldn't be able to. You certainly wouldn't be able to type with no arms, walk with no legs. Life would be very boring and painful.

First off, I could insult you like crazy... and that would be fun. I never said I wasnt for abortion. Infact im in the middlegound. But not everyone should be allowed to have a abortion. And no **** if I didnt have arms I wouldnt be able to do what I do know. Do you think I dont know my own abilities? I would still rather be alive then a aborted mess in a dumpster. Im sorry, but when its gotten to the point where its ok to abort ause you didnt wear a condom and you really dont want to be pregnant and miss work, so you kill the fetus. Now it has become a problem.

First off, I could insult you like crazy...and that would be fun.
Originally Posted by Scotty
Stuff that does matter, blah blah blah


Grow up, Child. That's the reason people under 18 don't get a vote.

Personally I rather be here today missing all my limbs, breathing through a tube and knowing I was dieing tommorrow. That would suck not being brought into this world. No matter how pathetic your life is, atleast you got one.
I never said I wasnt for abortion.

Not only do these statement contradict each other, Each time you've posted about abortion you posted about anti-abortion.

And no **** if I didnt have arms I wouldnt be able to do what I do know. Do you think I dont know my own abilities? I would still rather be alive then a aborted mess in a dumpster.

You wouldn't even know, You'd be dead. And if there is life after death, you'd be too young to understand what happened.

but when its gotten to the point where its ok to abort ause you didnt wear a condom and you really dont want to be pregnant and miss work, so you kill the fetus. Now it has become a problem.

I don't agree with this but there are many reasons why a woman feel that they should not have a baby. If any of these reasons would lead to pressure for the mother, and then cause harm to her self or the baby while she was carrying it would be unfit to let her have the child.

Scotty, unfortunately you seem to be running into the same problem I face quite a bit, and the reason why I try not to get involved with a lot of discussions on here. Most of the kids on here wouldn't know a well thought out, mature argument if it got shoved up their ass.

See my sig. I'd put you at much more than 16.

To much **** to take up space
First off, I apologize for the coherency of my last two posts. Second off I edited your quote with the "Blah blah blah" cause it didnt pretain to what I was trying to talk to you about, What I considered to be insulting you is exactly waht you just did to me, So mabey you should grow up yourself, dick. I didnt want the response to be 2/3rd quote, so I edited out half of it. I voted in the last election thank you very much and im 4 years your senior. The only reason I usually post anti-abortion response in the past is because morons have supported it. I felt the need to put a argument up to them to see that there is more than one side. I rarely post my own opinions in a place as irelevent as this forum. Also how the **** do you know what I feel about chosing my own life or death? Im sorry but thats my choice. Finally, have you ever been in a Abortion clinic? Have you ever met the people who go in there? Ive been there personally and ive seen people go in to abort a child because they dont want a boy and this is their 5th try.

Scotty, unfortunately you seem to be running into the same problem I face quite a bit, and the reason why I try not to get involved with a lot of discussions on here. Most of the kids on here wouldn't know a well thought out, mature argument if it got shoved up their ass.

See my sig. I'd put you at much more than 16.
Ouch. I like it.

HEY PEOPLE ANSWER ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I'm not saying that a person who was raped wants to get an abortion they shouldn't but, a ***** who gives it out whenever a guy compliments her hair should have the baby! And why is it perfectly fine to kill an unborn baby with it's whole life ahead of it but you can't kill a murderer!

HEY PEOPLE ANSWER ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I'm not saying that a person who was raped wants to get an abortion they shouldn't but, a ***** who gives it out whenever a guy compliments her hair should have the baby! And why is it perfectly fine to kill an unborn baby with it's whole life ahead of it but you can't kill a murderer!

I don't think anyone cares anymore.

I don't think anyone cares anymore.

Yeah your probobly right.

scotty is intellegent and we should listen to it (sorry i dont know your gender)...... but most of you people fail too because you people are either biest or just not willing to understand others peoples opinions...i for one hate the need for abortion but it has to be done to save some but are not given the chance and some who abuse this tecnology....so you are better off believing what you believe and end this arguement since it is going nowhere...

Are you serious? You don't know if Scotty is male or female?

im not entirly sure but im pretty sure its a she....

What the hell?? Scotty = Males name Sheesh Charles get out more :P

Now for some quotes and responces.

Scotty, unfortunately you seem to be running into the same problem I face quite a bit, and the reason why I try not to get involved with a lot of discussions on here. Most of the kids on here wouldn't know a well thought out, mature argument if it got shoved up their ass.

See my sig. I'd put you at much more than 16.

Thankyou. I'm not trying to be an ass in this thread at all. I'm simply putting forth my views on abortion with several points why I think it should remain legal. Unfortunatly, terrelbot even if he is older than me, acts like a child in his posts and needs to learn the true meaning