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Stokes

06-05-2005, 08:48 PM

Hmmmmm... you claim Sony is the best GAME company when they dont make GAMES.
I thought sony made some games for the launch of both their systems. Perhaps I am mistaken...
2. Who gives a **** how it stands your not looking at the system when you play it.
Physical structure plays an important role in system mobility and attractiveness, which, believe it or not, is important for developers to get right to increase their sales. Plus, it's just nice to have a good-looking system.
Nintendo is still kicking ass with the DS. the Ds is not crap.
Sales figures for the Sony PSP are competitive with that of the DS. Get your facts straight...
it does everything the psp does and much more. the psp has a bigger screen though
Okay, that is just blatantly wrong. The PSP not only has a bigger screen, it also has much greater screen resolution, which is A LOT easier on the eyes. I was playing Asphalt on my DS today...it's really hard to see clearly enough to tell what's ahead of you...
Bet you can't find this!
"Everything the PSP does and more"? Ah, hell no! Waaaaaaaaay wrong...
Can the DS play UMD movies?
Can the DS store photos?
Does the DS double as an IPod?
Can the DS store video uploaded off a computer?
Does the DS have graphics that are even remotely as good as the PSP's?
Does the DS have...any...good games? I've played Mario 64, Ridge Racer, Asphalt, YuGiOh, WarioWare, and Yoshi Touch-and-Go, and most of them were only entertaining for about 15 minutes...some weren't entertaining at all...mario 64 was pretty fun, but there's nothing to do once you get all the stars...the minigames get old, and Asphalt was fun as well.

The DS will get better once Metroid Prime and Animal Crossing come out with full online playability.

And what does the DS have over the PSP?
The PSP has wireless and online play, just as the DS does (or will).
Pictochat with people standing within an 80-foot radius of you? pfft.

As far as I know, the only thing the DS has over PSP is 2 screens...and a touch screen. Hooray...

If only Sony was more original and made there own games instead of showcasing others. eventually they will lose.
Heh. Yeah, that seems real likely...You need to face the facts.
Fact: The Gamecube was a great and powerful console.
Fact: It boasted a multitude of great first-party games.
Fact: The PS2 outsold it badly....

The Gameboy was a bigger sucess than the psx. i'm not a nintendo fanboy. but when you post GET IT RIGHT!
If you're going to correct someone, make sure your facts are accurate first. Otherwise you'll sound like a complete idiot...

Not a Nintendo fanboy. Geesh.

twilight

06-08-2005, 06:59 PM

revolution is gonna be the best

quadgameman

06-09-2005, 02:19 PM

because he said that that controller was real
No I didn't I posted: looks like a fraud.stop haveing a go at me you ****ing *******

gwia

06-10-2005, 04:53 AM

not what you said up there wanker you said it was real

Stokes

06-10-2005, 07:36 AM

not what you said up there wanker you said it was real
^Did you just call him a "wanker"?

quadgameman

06-10-2005, 10:58 AM

not what you said up there wanker you said it was realNo it says it was what I found that wasn't true

gwia

06-10-2005, 05:55 PM

o sorry i may have come across as a jerk, loser, wanker, arsehole etc. but i read one post where you said something was real and i jumped onto it and sorry quadgameman

revilo

06-10-2005, 08:05 PM

That looks pretty awesome but having 2 controllers could be a little bit fijity if ya no what i mean

icekiller223

06-10-2005, 08:06 PM

quote crazy hampster
Hmmmmm... you claim Sony is the best GAME company when they dont make GAMES.
1.backwards compatibility was first done with the gameboy and gameboy pocket. get it right
2. Who gives a **** how it stands your not looking at the system when you play it.
3.Sony is currently the dominating force of home systems.Nintendo made the first platformer,adventure,and had the first rpg on it final fantasy.
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the wavebird was the first wireless controller. the gc was the first online.
The Gameboy was a bigger sucess than the psx. i'm not a nintendo fanboy. but when you post GET IT RIGHT![/QUOTE]

Ok i think you are a DUMB**** backwards compatability with gb and gb pocket isnt **** were there ANY gb pocket games that you couldnt play on old gamboy? no the wasnt.

yes your not looking at the system while you play it but what if you dont ahve room to put your system flat sumplace? you cant do that with any other system xcept the original nes

nintendo didnt have the first in any of those game types. u have to think back to the ataris and older systems.

wavwe bird WAS NOT THE FIRST WIRELESS ****IN CONTROLER U ****IN IDIOT if u dont belive me ill find my old wireless nes and sega controlers.

and maybe just maybe theres a reason there hasnt been a GOOD final fantasy on a nintendo system since ff3 and the release of ff1/2 on gba.

quadgameman

06-11-2005, 07:44 AM

The revolution may wirelessly connect with ds as this picture demonstrates

gwia

06-11-2005, 09:23 PM

that sounds like a good idea

quadgameman

06-12-2005, 10:31 AM

that sounds like a good ideaYeah? but its not garanteed

Puppet

06-12-2005, 03:52 PM

what with the pic it looks like trash

gwia

06-12-2005, 07:59 PM

the pic does look horrible but it sounds like a good idea linking your DS to your revolution

Mouse

06-12-2005, 08:43 PM

Typically I would never buy a Nintendo product (I am more of a Sony and Microsoft guy) but I would want this for the ability to play older games. That would be freaking sweet because there are so many great old games. Plus we have a huge TV it would make it even more awesome.

Anyone know what the prices for older games would be?

Slpnwata

06-12-2005, 09:16 PM

I am Nintendo fan and Microsoft fan..
Nintendo gets copied....
Sony stole nintendo's Joystick... :Confuzzle

gwia

06-12-2005, 09:25 PM

coz they know that nintendo is the best that's why they copy them
nintendo revolution you get to download older games with their special cables you don't need to but them at least that's what i read

Stokes

06-12-2005, 10:47 PM

nintendo revolution you get to download older games with their special cables you don't need to buy them at least that's what i read

Your invisitext color is off.
The correct color is #f5f5ff.
But anyways, that is incorrect. Nintendo announced that you will have to buy the games, although little has been said regarding the pricing. (I vaguely remember hearing that the prices will be between $2 and $30 US, but I can't be certain)

Here is the source quote:

There's some disappointing news for those expecting these classics to be available for free. Nintendo is planning on pay downloads as being the standard for this download system. There will be many types of services, though, including limited time free downloads. One possibility mentioned by Iwata is free downloads as bonuses for buying new games.
And this (http://cube.ign.com/articles/622/622870p1.html) is the webpage I got it from. Case closed.

Anyways, let me show you some more of the highlights of that article:

Backwards compatibility for GameCube goes beyond just the software. You'll be able to use all controllers (Wave Bird included), memory cards, the Mario Party microphone, the Dance Dance dance pad and even the Donkey Konga konga controller.

Aside from general specifications, three main areas of the system have yet to be revealed: the shape and functionality of the controller, the price and release date and the software lineup. Nintendo has held back on these areas for competitive reasons, but all three will be revealed before the end of the year.

The controller in particular seems to be getting quite a bit of attention, with Nintendo software master Shigeru Miyamoto commenting at the press conference that the company is making a big investment in creating the device. Iwata added, "I think you will be surprised by the Revolution's controller."

w00t! Compatable with old controllers! Yeah!

And more and more mystery revolves around the controller. Oh, and Iwata said "controller", not "controllers". Does this confirm that there will only be one? Or is he just toying with us?

Arrr! Can't wait!

Hurry up, Nintendo!

gwia

06-12-2005, 11:05 PM

whatever it is it will be awsome

quadgameman

06-23-2005, 12:16 PM

Here are a few game titles for Revolution:

Mario Revolution
Medroid prime 3
Legend of zelda Revolution :D :pile:
Super Smash Bros Revolution
Donkey Kong Revolution
Final fantasy Crystal Chronicles Revolution

And these are the leaked but maybe not real specs:

Duel core 1.8 GHz Processors (Output of 3.6 GHz together)
512 KB L2 Cache
1.2 GHz Front Side Bus (FSB)
600 MHz ATI Graphics Chip
12 MB of SRAM
256 MB of main DRAM
7.1 Surround Sound
6 GB duel layer HP/Panasonic disc format

gwia

06-23-2005, 06:31 PM

that sounds nerdily cool

quadgameman

06-26-2005, 07:11 AM

Another great feture of revolution:The downloadable games will have graphic enhancers :D

ezgamer

06-27-2005, 02:55 PM

Nintendo are trying to release the revolution at a low price so that it can be affordable it will be feleased at around $250 $300 max and the Ps3 and XBOX 360 will be released around the 400s so u tell me what will suceed in the next generation affordable, not so affordable
The PS3 is said to be released at $299 and all you nintendo geeks who say nintendo is the world's leader in video games are dumdasses. Its the leader in portible systems but that will change cause of the PSP. DS AND REVOLUTION SUCKS!!!!!!!!!

PSP ALL THE WAY!!!

07-05-2005, 05:20 PM

[/QUOTE]the Ds is not crap. it does everything the psp does and much more. the psp has a bigger screen though
Nintendo brought the gaming back to America and Europe after a cock up in the late 70s. Nintendo made the first platformer,adventure,and had the first rpg on it final fantasy.
You are very wrong when you say they arent original. the wavebird was the first wireless controller. the gc was the first online.
If only Sony was more original and made there own games instead of showcasing others. eventually they will lose.
The Gameboy was a bigger sucess than the psx. i'm not a nintendo fanboy. but when you post GET IT RIGHT![/QUOTE]

GC was not the first online u retard!
X Box, then PS2, THEN FINALLY THE CRAPPY Gamecube, it doesnt even have more than 1 online game!

DS can't do what PSP does u moron! CAn it play movies, music, actual 3d graphics not pixel ****!!!

PSP ALL THE WAY!!!

07-05-2005, 05:21 PM

[QUOTE=quadgameman]Here are a few game titles for Revolution:

Mario Revolution
Medroid prime 3
Legend of zelda Revolution :D :pile:
Super Smash Bros Revolution
Donkey Kong Revolution
Final fantasy Crystal Chronicles Revolution

Nintenod really needs new game name ideas...

Everything ending in DS for the Ds
Everything ending in Revolution for Revolution...COME ON!!!!

farmer brown

07-05-2005, 06:06 PM

the revolution at the end is just a pre-release title i doubt they will all have revolution in the title

Tishiablo

07-05-2005, 06:54 PM

That was the most biased thing I have ever heard in my life. The ps3 looks nice to me for one. The controler is a prototype. The biggest mistake is the games thing. Playstations have the widest variety and as or the last 5 years, majority of the best games out. Please come out of your little Nintendo fanbase and smell the real world. They were beat last time and just like EVERYONE (journalism wise) is speculating, the ps3 will do the best... do you not watch any news? Everyone is talking about the PS3. Xbox 360? people are calling it the Xbox 1.5 because the graphics arnt as good as they were expecting. Microsoft has proven to not be in touch with the gaming community like they should in the past, why would people give them that chance again? And as for Nintendo, I live 'em but just about everyone is doubting them int he news right now. With only one GC game that people are hyped over, the slightly disapointing Revolution reveal, and the new gamebo micro... wow, a SMALLER gameboy, they just havnt impressed to much at e3 this year. I mean they wont tell crap ab the Revolution. Peopla are making their decisions over ps3 or xbox now and nintendo isnt showing theur stuff fast enough, they are being left behind. They need to hurry up.
Your wrong.. Who released Mario? Who released the Legend of Zelda? Who released Resident Evil 4? Who released Super Smash Brothers? All Nintendo.

Tishiablo

07-05-2005, 06:55 PM

rahx

07-05-2005, 08:09 PM

Your wrong.. Who released Mario? Who released the Legend of Zelda? Who released Resident Evil 4? Who released Super Smash Brothers? All Nintendo.

Now..what exactly is he wrong about? He's got multiple arguments. What are you trying to disprove?

Linkmaster

07-06-2005, 06:23 PM

Wasn't super smash bros. Revolution announced as Super Smash bros. Online? You Sony fanboys, take a chill pill.

Puppet

07-06-2005, 10:08 PM

GC was not the first online u retard!
X Box, then PS2, THEN FINALLY THE CRAPPY Gamecube, it doesnt even have more than 1 online game!

DS can't do what PSP does u moron! CAn it play movies, music, actual 3d graphics not pixel ****!!!

wow that is completely wrong seriously. the first console online was the dreamcast. gc has more than 1 online game (probably only 2 or somthing) ds can play movies and music ( i do it all the time on mine) and the games are 3d (metroid prime)

Heyyou27

07-06-2005, 10:14 PM

wow that is completely wrong seriously. the first console online was the dreamcast. gc has more than 1 online game (probably only 2 or somthing) ds can play movies and music ( i do it all the time on mine) and the games are 3d (metroid prime)
Well first off, The Gamecube only has 2 online games. Phantasy Star Online Epsiode 1&2 and Phantasy Star Online Episode 3. Episode 1&2 is one game. It was fun for awhile but SEGA is horrible at supporting and enforcing their games. It's "Hacked" to hell.
Also PC games are better anyways.

PSP ALL THE WAY!!!

07-07-2005, 09:15 AM

wow that is completely wrong seriously. the first console online was the dreamcast. gc has more than 1 online game (probably only 2 or somthing) ds can play movies and music ( i do it all the time on mine) and the games are 3d (metroid prime)

First off, we were talknig about which one was online first, Xbox, PS2, or GameCube, not the DreamCast.

DS can't play music or movies, if it can explain then...

Metroid Prime for DS is all crappy Pixels!

Puppet

07-07-2005, 03:17 PM

First off, we were talknig about which one was online first, Xbox, PS2, or GameCube, not the DreamCast.

DS can't play music or movies, if it can explain then...

Metroid Prime for DS is all crappy Pixels!

u were talking about consoles not just those 3

it can ive posted this 10000 times but, www.gbamovieplayer.com (cheaper than the converter kit for the psp)

prime ds doesnt look bad, wel first hunt kinda but they improved it for the full version and it is tue 3d so its not pixels

twilight

07-07-2005, 10:09 PM

if anyone wants to see all the fake revolution controller pictures go to
http://www.4colorrebellion.com/revolution-controller-mockups/

gwia

07-07-2005, 10:23 PM

those are funnny i like that second last one where the guy has the gamecube on his side

Heyyou27

07-07-2005, 11:40 PM

Heyyou27

07-07-2005, 11:59 PM

the Ds is not crap. it does everything the psp does and much more. the psp has a bigger screen though
Nintendo brought the gaming back to America and Europe after a cock up in the late 70s. Nintendo made the first platformer,adventure,and had the first rpg on it final fantasy.
You are very wrong when you say they arent original. the wavebird was the first wireless controller. the gc was the first online.
If only Sony was more original and made there own games instead of showcasing others. eventually they will lose.
The Gameboy was a bigger sucess than the psx. i'm not a nintendo fanboy. but when you post GET IT RIGHT![/QUOTE]

GC was not the first online u retard!
X Box, then PS2, THEN FINALLY THE CRAPPY Gamecube, it doesnt even have more than 1 online game!

DS can't do what PSP does u moron! CAn it play movies, music, actual 3d graphics not pixel ****!!![/QUOTE]

The last part you're saying is incorrect. The DS can render games in true 3D, but not to the extent of the PSP, but the PSP's graphics still suck contrary to whatever you may think.

twilight

07-11-2005, 11:21 PM

nintendo is the best

gwia

07-12-2005, 12:11 AM

too true nintendo really is the best

Heyyou27

07-12-2005, 12:27 AM

I wouldn't go as far to say that Nintendo is the best.

gwia

07-12-2005, 12:48 AM

but it is better than sony and microsoft there is no one else left so there for nintendo is the best but i better save this for the console wars

viper.gtsr

07-12-2005, 06:04 PM

nintendo is doing bad at the E3 conference, but they have all these new things coming out.
like the new version of the GBA its called the GBmicro its no bigger than two GBA cartriges put together.
i like the new feature on revolution, that u can download any game that came out on any of the nintendo consle.

OR 1 game boy colar cartriges!

gwia

07-12-2005, 06:09 PM

what the hell nintendo is doing great at the E3 confrence have you seen how packed their booths are what are you ignirant gawd

gwia

07-12-2005, 06:14 PM

the Ds is not crap. it does everything the psp does and much more. the psp has a bigger screen though
Nintendo brought the gaming back to America and Europe after a cock up in the late 70s. Nintendo made the first platformer,adventure,and had the first rpg on it final fantasy.
You are very wrong when you say they arent original. the wavebird was the first wireless controller. the gc was the first online.
If only Sony was more original and made there own games instead of showcasing others. eventually they will lose.
The Gameboy was a bigger sucess than the psx. i'm not a nintendo fanboy. but when you post GET IT RIGHT!

GC was not the first online u retard!
X Box, then PS2, THEN FINALLY THE CRAPPY Gamecube, it doesnt even have more than 1 online game!

DS can't do what PSP does u moron! CAn it play movies, music, actual 3d graphics not pixel ****!!!

the dreamcast was first online you moron it was ahead of it's time and the GC has two online games and it's online capadbility came out around the same time as the crappy ps2

like puppet has said multiple times the ds can play movies and music. the DS can play actual 3d graphics yes the PSP graphics do suck and don't tell me i don't know what i'm talking about i have played my brother's PSP ok thank you

Heyyou27

07-12-2005, 06:31 PM

The DS' graphics are even worse, oh and no Nintendo pretty much sucked at E3. They didn't show ANY revolution games, where the Xbox360 showed just about everything the system had. Also, you can't deny that Killzone2 did look pretty cool.

gwia

07-12-2005, 06:42 PM

ok killzone2 looked awsome and at E3 nintendo was awasome with twilight princess, gameboy micro, nintendo revolution and some DS games how can you say they sucked at E3

treefalse

07-12-2005, 06:49 PM

They also had another system. It was pretty cool. Had a camera that could make a wooden dest look like stone on the han held. It reads the game with the camera to play it.

gwia

07-12-2005, 07:10 PM

and nintendo is making a PC it has themes for their gaems a special mouse with a big left click and on the side a right click for your thumb or something and yeah

PSP ALL THE WAY!!!

07-12-2005, 07:21 PM

like puppet has said multiple times the ds can play movies and music. the DS can play actual 3d graphics yes the PSP graphics do suck and don't tell me i don't know what i'm talking about i have played my brother's PSP ok thank you

HOW THE HELL CAN U SAY THAT NINTENDO DS's PIXELIZED CRAP OF GRAPHICS ARE BETTER THAN DREAMCAST LIKE GRAPHICS??!!!!!!!!!!

If the DS can do that, then explain how...

gwia

07-12-2005, 08:03 PM

what your siginiture that is just an opinion

foulplay

07-17-2005, 01:29 AM

Okay let me quickly cover a few things.

Nintendo is the only next generation system to not have 1 TeraFLOP of processing power. (x360 has 1.0TFLOPS and PS3 has 1.8TFLOPS)

If I wanted to play old games I would boot up my modded XBox, because guess what? It has pretty much every single MAME, NES, SNES, Master System, Gameboy, and Gameboy Advanced ROM EVER.

I bought a Nintendo Gamecube and you know where it is right now? Under my bed in a box. The Nintendo Gamecube has had fewer games make platinum than any of the other systems of its generation. This is because of both a lack of first and third party innovation; Windwaker, Smash Brothers Melee, and Mario Kart are the only games that stand out to me from the lineup, though some may like Metroid I feel that more relistic and challenging games are more entertaining, such as Ghost Recon 2 (XBox) and Battle Field 2 (PC).

Nintendo may have Square-Enix backing them, but they don't have exclusive rights to Square-Enix, as you may know Square-Enix announced themselves that they haven't disqualified x360, and are planning to develop on the Playstation 3 as well.

As for design, the Playstation 3 was designed after a famous building in Japan, which gives it large appeal in Japan, and also has an elegant look that many (including myself) like. The x360 is designed to match it's onscreen display, a set of inward curves. Revolution has portability on it's side, as both the x360 and PS3 are close to the same size of the original XBox.

x360 surpasses the PS3 in integer calculations per second but the PS3 is based on floating point calculations, which although not as common in traditional game development are gaining importance with recent high end games. Both dramatically over power the Revolution in both floating point and integer calculations though, as it only has two 1.8 GHz 32 bit processors. The Playstation 3 uses a new cell architecture which makes it hard to compare to conventional x86 or EM64T processors, though its supposed to be 1 processor distributing the load and 7 other processors actually doing most of the work, every one running at 3.2GHz at 32bits per tick. The x360 entirely dominates in integer based calculations, which is great for smaller, less open ended games all the way up to games as open ended as Oblivion. It has THREE Dual-Core Processors running at 3.2GHz at 64 bit (64 bits per tick).

If you have anything else to argue about, post it or drop me a line at:
foulplay2@gmail.com

P.S. Nintendo being the 'leading force in the gaming industry' has pretty much died...in the US. Here the gamecube is taking a seat at third when it comes to sales. In Japan the gamecube and the PS2 are pretty much neck and neck on day to day sales, mind you the PS2 being much older than the GC.

gwia

07-17-2005, 01:43 AM

*nerd*

*noob nerd*

foulplay

07-17-2005, 02:15 AM

*nerd*

*noob nerd*

Newbie Nerd? Honestly is that the best come back you can think of, it is an oxymoron... You're a sad showing of today's youth, illiterate and dumbed down to feed from the corporate machine. I'll tell you what, argue with me once you can form a complete sentence and actually prove a point without going off topic or attempting to insult someone. Flame all you want but there is nothing that is harder to deal with than the facts. I guess that the qualifications for 'noob' have been raised a bit since a person majoring in Computer Science in COLLEGE can be considered a 'noob'.

[edit 3:10AM EST]
I'm out for the night, I'll get your response in the morning. Do you think you could form a sentence by then?

There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't.

gwia

07-19-2005, 06:38 AM

you are an arsehole i called you anoob because you are a new member a nd when i go on a forum i don't like to do full sentences so sew me. You think that it is cool to be mean to twelve year olds don't you bye calling me stupid because i don't use proper grammer 24/7

foulplay

07-19-2005, 07:49 AM

You think that it is cool to be mean to twelve year olds don't you bye calling me stupid because i don't use proper grammer 24/7

I haven't seen you use proper grammar once. Besides, since when were twelve year old kids allowed to have oppinions?

And just so you know, low post count on these boards should be a sign that you're quite the opposite of a newbie. I feel like my IQ goes down every time I read your posts, seriously. Once you can come up with an argument to my first post in this thread, that is legitimate and well thought out, feel free to post it, otherwise go hide back in your hole.

Charles rules you all!

07-19-2005, 08:11 AM

foulplay

07-19-2005, 08:55 AM

just because one person perfers one game consle over another doesn't mean you should yell at the other person for liking it...just i like the nintendo over sony but its an opinion and u cant change that so foget about what you're saying and get on with your life.

Are you ignorant or just plain stupid? All that I pointed out was that the Revolution is the least next gen console by a large gap. It performs at about one half the power of the x360. Then he calls me a 'noobie nerd' for stating the facts. Nintendo no longer controls the console market in non asian countries, Sony and Microsoft have the vast majority over Nintendo. I didn't say that his choice of console was wrong, I simply said that it was a poor choice, due to the performance of Nintendo's last 2 consoles, when it comes to quantity of good games, and over all features.

gwia

07-19-2005, 04:25 PM

you would make an awful father first of all
i come on this forum when it uis the end of the day or the start of the day so i am too tired to use grammer big woop.
and it isn't the 20s anymore my opinion is just as validated as yours and nintendo has always had the best games and in another topic you said you would be a good leader for nintendo you would be **** because you insult nintendo more than complement it and the Xbox360 won't have that good graphics because it has no cabel and stuf my brotehr was telling me that is a really unreliable thing and stuff so yeah and revolution is gonna be awsome arsehole

foulplay

07-19-2005, 10:55 PM

you would make an awful father first of all

Why is that?

i come on this forum when it uis the end of the day or the start of the day so i am too tired to use grammer big woop.
I came on this forum and posted at 3AM, yet amazingly what I want to say is expressed clearly.

and it isn't the 20s anymore my opinion is just as validated as yours
No, but it will be once you're 18. You're still a minor and you're parents are your legal guardians.

nintendo has always had the best games
That is a matter of oppinion, and we don't agree so it isn't a valid arguement, but sony has had more high grossing games in the console sector in the past two generations of consoles.

in another topic you said you would be a good leader for nintendo you would be **** because you insult nintendo more than complement it
So in order to be a fan you must be blind of a consoles faults and a company's decline? If Nintendo pushed out a 2.0 tflop machine next to Sony's 1.8 and Microsoft's 1.0 I would buy it, but the fact remains that they're putting out a machine that can barely pull half of a teraflop.

the Xbox360 won't have that good graphics because it has no cabel and stuf my brotehr was telling me that is a really unreliable thing and stuff so yeah and revolution is gonna be awsome arsehole
Which cable would this be? I hope you know that the XBox will support HD in 1080i, while the Revolution can only reach a small percentage of that resolution. If I was you, I wouldn't trust anything your brother said because he is quite apparently talking out of his ass. And I'm sure that the Nintendo Revolution will be 'good' but thats just it, I want a system that will be bigger and better than good.

Sorry kid, I win.

KeN-MasTeRZ'

07-19-2005, 11:16 PM

^Agree-ment

meow.

This xbox 360's specs' (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/factsheet.htm) I suppose is proof enough that the xbox 360 will out perform the Revolution :| Compared to this? (http:http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000100046549/)

Heyyou27

07-20-2005, 01:11 AM

What you failed to mention about the Xbox360 is it's GPU architecture. Microsoft claims it has 48 parallel pixel pipelines, yet it can only do 48 billion shader operations per second. How is this possible? The X850, according to ATi can do 43 billion shader operations per second yet has 16 pixel pipelines. It also can do "500 Million polygons per second" with it's 500MHz core, yet according to tom's hardware.com the Geforce 6800 Ultra can render 600 Million? You seem to have knowledge in this area, so can you tell me why this is? I'm putting my money on the R520 over the Xbox360. :happy:

Charles rules you all!

07-20-2005, 02:02 AM

just because the xbox 360 has better capibilities doesn't they will use it...for instance the gamecube game metriod prime has awesome graphics but the gamecube game pokemon channel has bad graphics, why is that? Its because the makers of the game desided to make metroid prime a well graphiced game....so if u acually use all the capiblities of the xbox 360 it would be a good game but the time it takes u make a game with the useage of those capibilties ppl wouldn't want to buy the xbox 360 because the lack of games....so their games wont use all capibilities...my point is know proven..

foulplay

07-20-2005, 12:18 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that was because the GDDR3 memory acts not just as graphics but also system memory, and the graphics card is not only a GPU but also a northbridge. :mf_dough: You kinda got me there I'll research more into it and get back to you.

just because the xbox 360 has better capibilities doesn't they will use it...for instance the gamecube game metriod prime has awesome graphics but the gamecube game pokemon channel has bad graphics, why is that? Its because the makers of the game desided to make metroid prime a well graphiced game....so if u acually use all the capiblities of the xbox 360 it would be a good game but the time it takes u make a game with the useage of those capibilties ppl wouldn't want to buy the xbox 360 because the lack of games....so their games wont use all capibilities...my point is know proven..
Actually thats more just because they want it to seem kiddy (after all thats who plays those games) and with more detail comes more 'darkness' and it makes the violence seem more realistic. You also have to consider the fact that the people who actually produce the games are able to produce games which much higher graphics, just look at movies such as Ice Age, it was produced on a modern computer, but certain graphical levels match certain ages, and I'm sure that the little 13 year olds will love the low resolution colorful pokemon playscapes that come with the revolution.

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Heres a site you may be interested in nvidia guy (sorry I didn't have your proper username):
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzcxLDE=

Heyyou27

07-20-2005, 01:01 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that was because the GDDR3 memory acts not just as graphics but also system memory, and the graphics card is not only a GPU but also a northbridge. :mf_dough: You kinda got me there I'll research more into it and get back to you.

Actually thats more just because they want it to seem kiddy (after all thats who plays those games) and with more detail comes more 'darkness' and it makes the violence seem more realistic. You also have to consider the fact that the people who actually produce the games are able to produce games which much higher graphics, just look at movies such as Ice Age, it was produced on a modern computer, but certain graphical levels match certain ages, and I'm sure that the little 13 year olds will love the low resolution colorful pokemon playscapes that come with the revolution.

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Heres a site you may be interested in nvidia guy (sorry I didn't have your proper username):
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzcxLDE=
I already know of this. Also you're right. It acts as both the system memory and video memory. (Bad Idea) I think anyways. It's DDR3 at only 700MHz. At first I was unsure if that was the actual speed or the effective speed. But it's the effective one due to the peak bandwidth of 22.4GB per second. When compared to other pc videocards like the Geforce 6800 GT which has a peak bandwidth of 33ish GBs per second or even better ones such as the 7800 GTX, it doesn't sound that great. At least the PS3 will have two seperate things of memory. System and Video. System memory being the XDR at 3.2GHz and the Video Memory at 700MHz(The same as the Xbox360). So far the only thing the Xbox360 really has going for it ( In my opinion) is the processors. Other than that it is not very impressive. Oh and to your part about the kiddy games. You are correct. Why does Doom3 look like it does? To try and create as realistic as possible environment, to help make it scarier.

gwia

07-20-2005, 03:57 PM

foulplay

07-20-2005, 04:20 PM

let me clarifey something my brother likes sony he was saying how the PS3 is gonna have all these good graphics and be better than nintendo based on the PS1 and PS2 he hasn't seen pictures of it or anything he has seen the XBOX 360 on the MTV Special but yeah anywho he was saying coz you know how on the MTV Special it said that there are no cabels hooking into the tv yeah well my brother said that was unreliable coz of some stuff then my dog did a fart so i followed the dog.
Wow, just wow. Like I said though, it supports high definition 1080i. So don't worry, we'll no longer be limited by the system but rather our TV's resolution fairly soon. (I personally have a 52 inch HD TV in my basement so the resolution does matter to me.)

because he would say to his kid/s your opionion doesn't matter till your 18 untill then don't bother speaking your word isn't worth anything

Kids can have oppinions, and are encouraged to, just then they're told their oppinions don't matter yet. Fact of life, children don't have enough life experience to make wise decisions, just as people in jail lose their right to vote, they've made bad decisions so we prevent them from making more.

gwia

07-20-2005, 04:42 PM

you could have said that b4 u no

Charles rules you all!

07-20-2005, 07:19 PM

Actually thats more just because they want it to seem kiddy (after all thats who plays those games) and with more detail comes more 'darkness' and it makes the violence seem more realistic. You also have to consider the fact that the people who actually produce the games are able to produce games which much higher graphics, just look at movies such as Ice Age, it was produced on a modern computer, but certain graphical levels match certain ages, and I'm sure that the little 13 year olds will love the low resolution colorful pokemon playscapes that come with the revolution.

the only reason Ice age looked good because it was CGI, you couldn't control the characters in a movie... video games you are the interacting the things inside the game so takes more capibities for the consel to use for it to play good graphiced video games

foulplay

07-20-2005, 09:26 PM

the only reason Ice age looked good because it was CGI, you couldn't control the characters in a movie... video games you are the interacting the things inside the game so takes more capibities for the consel to use for it to play good graphiced video games

Name a game recently that isn't in CGI? Have you played Fable? The next generation should bring us close to that level of realism, Keep in mind that movie was made years ago, and technology has advanced magnificantly since then. The ability to render those in real time shouldn't be a difficult feat for (2 of the 3, *guess which one lacks in power*) next generation systems. They've said themselves the Spiderman in the upcomming Spiderman game is taken directly from the movie, no dumbing down needed.

By the way, care to explain your signature? Seems quite ignorant. Rich Americans....what rich Americans? How do you know they don't care? And who are these kids? Why are we the Americans somehow to be held responsible?

Heyyou27

07-20-2005, 10:50 PM

Name a game recently that isn't in CGI? Have you played Fable? The next generation should bring us close to that level of realism, Keep in mind that movie was made years ago, and technology has advanced magnificantly since then. The ability to render those in real time shouldn't be a difficult feat for (2 of the 3, *guess which one lacks in power*) next generation systems. They've said themselves the Spiderman in the upcomming Spiderman game is taken directly from the movie, no dumbing down needed.

By the way, care to explain your signature? Seems quite ignorant. Rich Americans....what rich Americans? How do you know they don't care? And who are these kids? Why are we the Americans somehow to be held responsible?
First off, By CGI do you mean a game that uses CGI sequences? Like a cinema? Well if that is what you mean, I can name one. Half-Life2. Another one could be Doom3 due to all of the in game cinemas are rendered with the Doom3 engine which saves time and money that would be wasted on a different type of cinema, like the ones used in most console games. Also, I must disagree with you about the Xbox360. I don't believe it's going to get us that close to cinema graphics. Even some of the best looking games out on PC would be VERY hard to mistake for a movie. The PS3 might be close to that, if the trailer for Killzone2 was the real game. Sorry to say this but, 500 million polygons per second is not going to render extremely realistic graphics, but it is a good start.

foulplay

07-20-2005, 11:20 PM

First off, By CGI do you mean a game that uses CGI sequences? Like a cinema? Well if that is what you mean, I can name one. Half-Life2. Another one could be Doom3 due to all of the in game cinemas are rendered with the Doom3 engine which saves time and money that would be wasted on a different type of cinema, like the ones used in most console games. Also, I must disagree with you about the Xbox360. I don't believe it's going to get us that close to cinema graphics. Even some of the best looking games out on PC would be VERY hard to mistake for a movie. The PS3 might be close to that, if the trailer for Killzone2 was the real game. Sorry to say this but, 500 million polygons per second is not going to render extremely realistic graphics, but it is a good start.

Yes you're right we aren't there quite yet, but I think that sooner we'll be limited by our televisions/monitors than it will reach near reality. Sorry but I'm gonna go lay down, I'll post more tomorrow, spinal taps are killin me.

Heyyou27

07-20-2005, 11:33 PM

Yes you're right we aren't there quite yet, but I think that sooner we'll be limited by our televisions/monitors than it will reach near reality. Sorry but I'm gonna go lay down, I'll post more tomorrow, spinal taps are killin me.
Well the reason people are limited by their televisions have to do with their not wanting to purchase a new t.v. Most people who play Xbox don't use a HDTV. I'm betting that most of the 360 users won't use them either, causing most users to suffer from a less than crystal clear image. Moral of the story is, Standard Definiton t.v. sucks.

Charles rules you all!

07-21-2005, 02:10 AM

foulplay

07-21-2005, 09:19 AM

my sig: Rich americans I.E. celbrities, spend money on million dollar jewlery,clothes and houses. The people who are diing are the people of other countries....therefore i say rich people are selfish. as for me im only 14 so i cant do crap.

Uh....you know the US gives more money to foreign aid than any other country right? I'm sure that any celeb you check out will have at one point in time given a great quantity to charity. And why should they not be able to spend their earned money on houses and luxuries?

Well the reason people are limited by their televisions have to do with their not wanting to purchase a new t.v. Most people who play Xbox don't use a HDTV. I'm betting that most of the 360 users won't use them either, causing most users to suffer from a less than crystal clear image. Moral of the story is, Standard Definiton t.v. sucks.
Exactly, but even most high definition TVs won't support high enough resolutions for systems to really flex....but monitors do :-)

Heyyou27

07-21-2005, 03:08 PM

Uh....you know the US gives more money to foreign aid than any other country right? I'm sure that any celeb you check out will have at one point in time given a great quantity to charity. And why should they not be able to spend their earned money on houses and luxuries?

Exactly, but even most high definition TVs won't support high enough resolutions for systems to really flex....but monitors do :-)
The highest resolution I've seen on a tv was 1366x768. That was a 6000$ Plasma screen too! You could get a good LCD monitor with 1920x1200 which could display TRUE HD for around 800$.

foulplay

07-21-2005, 03:58 PM

The highest resolution I've seen on a tv was 1366x768. That was a 6000$ Plasma screen too! You could get a good LCD monitor with 1920x1200 which could display TRUE HD for around 800$.
Just what I was getting at...my xbox has a mod so a monitor cord can connect directly to it, which makes it look breath taking compared to on a standard TV, especially a tube.

Charles rules you all!

07-23-2005, 03:33 AM

foulplay

07-23-2005, 05:31 PM

All ps3 games shown are all running real time on CGI but its not real game play...I.E. ff10 you play the game then u beat the final boss the goes to a cutt scene thats CGI. CGI is not a graphical image its a system to run movies.. :smokeing1
CGI usually refers to pre-rendered scenes. Yeah.

mentalskater

08-03-2005, 08:26 PM

foulplay

08-03-2005, 10:19 PM

to some of your coments earlier, whoever it was. sales mean nothing, only to the survival of a company. it is funny because games like charlie and the choclate factory and many other horrible games sold more then quality quality games like resident evil 4 and supposedly halo 2. im not 100% about that but the existence of companies are now based off of casual gamers that are younger than ten. and wasnt this the thread for the nintendo revolution...hmmm, interesting.

teraflops are not really important unless the game designers actually plan to put it all to use. proof that a system with lower capabilities can have better looking games: metroid prime, re4, metroid prime2 (there are others but i got to look it up) over all xbox games (fable, and halo 2 and the other crap too). and you cant compare consoles to computers because all games on comp look like crap unless you plan on laying down 4 grand for a medium good one. did you know that ps3 is supposed to be $500 with option of $200 for a warranty. too damn expensive. the revolution plans to appeal to people that cant afford selling their house for gaming. the way to keep prices down is to use use less than new technology. the revolution is bound to have more quality games then the other too. it will most likely take years more for a developer to create a game for the 360 and ps3. and really, how realistic do you need to get before all the graphics look the same. you may notice subtle differences but it is not worth having if you are going to run at only 30 frame rate.

the new systems are going to run at lower frame rates, it just is. the more graohically powerful a game is, thelower the frame rate. that just means the revolution is going to have more fluid visuals than the other two.

proove me wrong so i can argue some more.
You really know nothing about computers do you? Because of optimized video cards and cell processors frame rates will be through the roof.

ps3 is supposed to be $500:
No, actually they've announced it will be 'in the 350 area' and plus, who buys a warranty with a system? Treat it with care and you won't have any problems.

it will most likely take years more for a developer to create a game for the 360 and ps3.:
Note that new API's make better graphics simpler to create, I'm willing to bet the original Starfox took longer than Halo 2 to create.

proof that a system with lower capabilities can have better looking games: metroid prime, re4, metroid prime2 (there are others but i got to look it up) over all xbox games (fable, and halo 2 and the other crap too).:
No, just no. You can tell the subtle differences on a standard TV, but get a HD TV then tell me theres no difference. Us that aren't afraid of a few expenses can tell a HUGE difference.

the revolution plans to appeal to people that cant afford selling their house for gaming.:
You get what you pay for.

the way to keep prices down is to use use less than new technology.:
Yes, because I want a system that is outdated to play on.

...and supposedly halo 2:
No, it is one of the highest grossing games ever.

teraflops are not really important unless the game designers actually plan to put it all to use.:
Actually yes they are. More teraflops mean better FPS, and more can be happening at once. (see multitasking)

the revolution is bound to have more quality games then the other too.:
Actually not really, with diminishing third party support they're mostly dependent on first party games and games that have been released on all systems (note they'll get the dumbed down version instead of PS2 this generation)

how realistic do you need to get before all the graphics look the same.:
Until my HD TV that supports 1080p is maxed out.

im not 100% about that:
I know you're not.

proove me wrong:
I seem to be doing that quite well.

you cant compare consoles to computers because all games on comp look like crap unless you plan on laying down 4 grand for a medium good one.:
Wow! I guess you fell for the go-l or alienware trip huh? If you build your own computers and shop smart you can have a kickin' system for well under 1200. 3.2GHz 64bit P4, 2GB DDR2 RAM, SLI technology. Trust me, my 1500 box can do more than most 5000 PCs from a mainstream 'performance' company like alienware. I bet you also run windows to run your games correct? There is your problem. Run Battlefield 1942 in linux and see your FPS go up by 30%.

mentalskater

08-04-2005, 01:14 AM

first off, i know enough about computers to know that they cost alot if you want a good one, alienware is overpriced, and for less than 1200 bucks, you can run all the old games you ever wanted to. you might run half life two, or doom 3 very well. even guild wars is hard to run on some of the less then 1200 systems. and if they do run they look like ****.

most of the good graphic cards that can make computer gaming worth it alone cost 500-600$ and i think that they barely are good enough for some games. my cousin, being the idiot that he is, spent $5000 on all the top of the line stuff, and , in my opinion, it is the only way to make games look better. doom 3 looks like crap unless you are running it on this machine. he built it without going to one of those shatty brand name bull crap places like alienware. the case is cool though with all the neon lights.

i looked up my sources and it turns out they were talking aabout the 360 when it mentioned frame rates. ps3 is supposed to have good frame rates, same with revolution.

almost all announcements recently have said 400 to 500 with option of a 200 dollar warranty. do you remember the ps2 disaster with alot of them breaking for no reason. the first wave of ps2's were crappily made and most of the people that laid down 300 bones had to go out and get another. believe me, i got one and the piece of shat broke within months, i took more care of it then i did myself. they may use the 200 dollar warranty as profit too if they make a good, non breaking system. but i highly doubt it. if you remember when the psp launched, the square button was non functional in a lot of the first wave systems. that is the big problem with sony, they dont fix a problem until it is already widespread.

and it is not outdated, they make new specially made crap for all systems when they come out, they just choose not to use something so futuristic that it would cost them more money then they would make.

you do get what you pay for but sometimes what you pay for is a piece of crap (cough* PS effing 2!!!)

another casual gamers game, gta, of course, is going to be released again for the new systems. when you have played one, you have played all. new graohics or not, it is still the same crap.

halo 2 did sell alot but casual gamers rather go out and buy a piece of crap game they can pick up anywhere.

i said if the teraflops are going to be put to use, meaning more capablity, but not so much better quality. they have a bunch of lazy bums that will rush it and it will look like crap. believe me, unless designers really care about there customers, they will release games that arent anywhere close to using the full potential of the machine. i am not saying that the machine isnt powerful, im just saying, do you really think that that many games will be pushing the system. im sure there will be a couple of games that do but how many. and by looking back at the ps2, not many people are going to try.

i have come to find myself looking back at this generation of gaming. it is not as good as the last. when n64 and ps1 were big contenders and then dreamcast comes out of no where. i think the games made in that period of time were the best games ever made in the world. definitely not the prettiest, but the funnest to play. also when nes and snes were out, they had most innovative games around. now, it has become entertainment for any random person. no true dedication is required to beating a game, all of the games that look the best are the better sellers. stupid childish games (yes, it is considered childish because it really isnt that entertaining unless you are imMATURE) like grand theft auto, and conkers bad fur day have ruined it for the hardcore gamers. if you really knew anything about true gaming. you would know that there are little to no hardcore gamers playing ps2, just those damn casuals. the real hardcore gamers know what i am talking about and you damn casuals that are only interested in specs and prettiness can go to hell.

i just have this to say. ps3 is going to make the most money out of the three of course. but that doesnt mean that the games will actually be funner to play, they will definitely be prettier, but that is all casual gamers want nowadays, short, temperary, beautiful release from the real world. the revolution is most likely not going to have the best looking, but i will sacrifice visual appearance over quality games anyday. long live the hardcore...

note!!! remember i said that this a revolution thread, take your spec drooling arses to the sony section.

Charles rules you all!

08-04-2005, 02:23 AM

^^long, but full of the right info

foulplay

08-04-2005, 02:32 AM

first off, i know enough about computers to know that they cost alot if you want a good one, alienware is overpriced, and for less than 1200 bucks, you can run all the old games you ever wanted to. you might run half life two, or doom 3 very well. even guild wars is hard to run on some of the less then 1200 systems. and if they do run they look like ****.

most of the good graphic cards that can make computer gaming worth it alone cost 500-600$ and i think that they barely are good enough for some games. my cousin, being the idiot that he is, spent $5000 on all the top of the line stuff, and , in my opinion, it is the only way to make games look better. doom 3 looks like crap unless you are running it on this machine. he built it without going to one of those shatty brand name bull crap places like alienware. the case is cool though with all the neon lights.

You my friend, are an idiot. My $1200 PC can run Battlefield 2 (brand new game) on high with over 100 FPS. WRONG

i looked up my sources and it turns out they were talking aabout the 360 when it mentioned frame rates. ps3 is supposed to have good frame rates, same with revolution.
Actually x360 is benchmarking higher than the PS3 due to high integer processing power. WRONG.

almost all announcements recently have said 400 to 500 with option of a 200 dollar warranty. do you remember the ps2 disaster with alot of them breaking for no reason. the first wave of ps2's were crappily made and most of the people that laid down 300 bones had to go out and get another. believe me, i got one and the piece of shat broke within months, i took more care of it then i did myself. they may use the 200 dollar warranty as profit too if they make a good, non breaking system. but i highly doubt it. if you remember when the psp launched, the square button was non functional in a lot of the first wave systems. that is the big problem with sony, they dont fix a problem until it is already widespread.
PS2 disaster? All you hear about were the bad events. You don't notice that 90% of people had no problems at all (including me). And if you do have problems you can do factory warranty or just fix it yourself (come on installing a new cd tray isn't hard).

and it is not outdated, they make new specially made crap for all systems when they come out, they just choose not to use something so futuristic that it would cost them more money then they would make.
Exactly, I would rather pay 2x as much and have a system that provides maximum performance. $300-$400 isn't alot to spend for a 2 Teraflop system.

you do get what you pay for but sometimes what you pay for is a piece of crap (cough* PS effing 2!!!)
Yes, biased and wrong. I still have my PS2, and I play it more than I do my XBox or my GC. I like a game with decent third party support. *cough not GC cough*

another casual gamers game, gta, of course, is going to be released again for the new systems. when you have played one, you have played all. new graohics or not, it is still the same crap.
And you said this why?

halo 2 did sell alot but casual gamers rather go out and buy a piece of crap game they can pick up anywhere.
Are you joking? No wait, you're just a joke.

i said if the teraflops are going to be put to use, meaning more capablity, but not so much better quality. they have a bunch of lazy bums that will rush it and it will look like crap. believe me, unless designers really care about there customers, they will release games that arent anywhere close to using the full potential of the machine. i am not saying that the machine isnt powerful, im just saying, do you really think that that many games will be pushing the system. im sure there will be a couple of games that do but how many. and by looking back at the ps2, not many people are going to try.
New systems have an advantage, the models can be taken directly from films and for the new Gran Turismo they are getting models directly from the car producers and putting them into their games, along with much more realistic physics. System power isn't just about video capabilities, but also game complexity.

i have come to find myself looking back at this generation of gaming. it is not as good as the last. when n64 and ps1 were big contenders and then dreamcast comes out of no where. i think the games made in that period of time were the best games ever made in the world. definitely not the prettiest, but the funnest to play. also when nes and snes were out, they had most innovative games around. now, it has become entertainment for any random person. no true dedication is required to beating a game, all of the games that look the best are the better sellers. stupid childish games (yes, it is considered childish because it really isnt that entertaining unless you are imMATURE) like grand theft auto, and conkers bad fur day have ruined it for the hardcore gamers. if you really knew anything about true gaming. you would know that there are little to no hardcore gamers playing ps2, just those damn casuals. the real hardcore gamers know what i am talking about and you damn casuals that are only interested in specs and prettiness can go to hell.
Were you old enough to appreciate NES games? Those were revolutionary.

i just have this to say. ps3 is going to make the most money out of the three of course. but that doesnt mean that the games will actually be funner to play, they will definitely be prettier, but that is all casual gamers want nowadays, short, temperary, beautiful release from the real world. the revolution is most likely not going to have the best looking, but i will sacrifice visual appearance over quality games anyday. long live the hardcore...
PS3 has HUGE third party support. Nintendo's third party support is dying quickly.

note!!! remember i said that this a revolution thread, take your spec drooling arses to the sony section.
So anything that goes against your fanboyish ignorant ways goes into the sony section?

^^long, but full of the right info
Wrong. Long, but says nothing. Ignorant blatant fanboyism.

gwia

08-04-2005, 02:55 AM

So anything that goes against your fanboyish ignorant ways goes into the sony section?

yes foulplay i suggested to create this thing that's right having the sub sections was all my idea and this was to stop gaming flaming so don't insult nintendo in the nintendo thread unless you want the nintendo fanboys raiding the sony section and start flaming there

foulplay

08-04-2005, 03:03 AM

yes foulplay i suggested to create this thing that's right having the sub sections was all my idea and this was to stop gaming flaming so don't insult nintendo in the nintendo thread unless you want the nintendo fanboys raiding the sony section and start flaming there
I will out smart them and prove them wrong and foolish no matter where they go. My reason for posting in this thread was the blatant bias and ludicris claims that were made. I'm sorry but even if I am defending a console I will atleast use facts and not oppinions or random guesses. guess_who_i_am, I atleast respect you somewhat for the fact that you were able to admit when you are wrong, but when people argue about things that they have no idea about, it makes me angry. I suppose when you're young you think you're always right though correct? They'll learn once I knock them down a few notches. Also, all of my 'insults' were simply facts. There is no denying game innovation has been on the decline, and by the looks of gamecube and its massive lack of decent games that are worth while, Nintendo simply happens to be declining faster than other companies currently. There is no disputing that.

mentalskater

08-04-2005, 03:30 AM

foulplay

08-04-2005, 04:08 AM

jesus christ you ****ing suck. you think that because the ps3 has higher specs, that all the generic games that come out for it will be automatically better. did you not know that it is usually a story and and good gameplay that drives a game to greatness. but not anymore, it is about how cool it looks. no one likes games with depth anymore. it is all no longer original. the only originality has become the amount of polygons you can force into a single game. and if you plan on playing a game that has nothing going for it besides graphics, you MY FRIEND, have a sorry gaming life.
Wow just wow. Have you read anything I said? As I said, Nintendo happens to be in the lead in the decline of gaming creativity and originality. More power allows more depth and more realism. I don't care if I have the same polygon count as the Revolution gets on my next gen system of choice, as long as I have massive amounts of interactive items and people that make the game seem like the real world, I want to feel like a part the game. I bet that my copy of FFVII in my PS2 right now begs to differ that I go only by graphics. Also, note that my xbox is used mainly for playing SNES, Master System, Gameboy/advanced, and NES ROMs. As for the 'gaming life' I have no idea what you mean by that so I'll just leave that alone.

also if you tell me exactly what you have in your machine, then you can just say that it cost 1200. anyone can say that. i can say i have a multi million dollar house, and all i would have to do is to stick with that story until you believe it.
3.0GHz P4 64 bit, 2GB DDR2 RAM, 2 SLI'ed 6800's (came in package deal with mother board from tiger direct), 80GB SATA 7400 RPM HDD, Coolmaster case that was on sale for $40 (with powersupply), $70 19 inch crt monitor, 2 speaker set, standard keyboard, standard 2 button mouse with wheel.
I have copies of my newegg and tiger direct reciepts if you want them.
of course you are wrong about frame rates, about 90% of the xbox 360s games are going to have frame rates around 30. i will get the article to prove it. just wait until my next post.

i also believe that 90% is a false number you made up, like i did above , what is usually meant by that number is majority. but even with this number, the amount of damaged systems are catastrophic if they sell millions of consoles.
basically, for every million units,, 100,000 units are effed up. that is a big deal. and for some stupid reason, the warranty ran out shortly before most had their problems, funny that. and i shouldnt have to replace something that is part of a 300 dollar piece of shat.
It was an approximation, but you knew of course that DSes were recalled in Japan due to pixel problems as well right? Of course you knew that.

and i think there were few good third party games for any system, the only ones i have liked were the capcom ones. they are the only ones that deserve any attention. and if you think third parties is what makes a system strive, you are right, but third parties are usually just as much spec *****es as you seem to be.
Playstation 2 had large support from Square-Enix and various other strong names. XBox had strong support from Bethesda, the company that makes one of the most popular gaming series' ever, Elder Scrolls. All of Nintendo's BIG titles were first party pretty much. Having large third party support keeps your console's lineup fresh and new.

i was saying that casual gamers are the only reason for sony's continued existence.
And aren't a large portion of gamers 'casual gamers'?

like i said before, graphics only propel games because of the casual gamers. they only want pretty, not a game that takes to much intelligence to beat.
I guess you've never played my personal favorite game for the PS2, Front Mission 4. It combines decent (not great) graphics, fun, innovation, and difficulty.

good graphics are not necessarily better quality. if you had a brain then maybe you could say otherwise. but it is quite obvious that games only depend on the graphics. if the graphics are horrible but the gameplay is great, it will be overlooked by the majority of gamers. that is same reason sega makes only games now. because everyone wanted better graphics, not better gameplay.
I agree with you on that, and I always say that, look in other posts of mine. What makes a game is a combination of beauty, re/playability, originality, and innovation. I still have trouble connecting with a game and feeling like I'm part of it when its a 10x10 pixel black mage on my gameboy. I love games that are pleasing to the eyes, but if it doesn't have any depth I hate it. Note: I threw away Halo when I got it with my XBox, and put Morrowwind, as it feels like you're in a real world, and everything you do has effects on your life.

someone born today can play nes games if they wanted to. and yes i played snes games first but i was able to enjoy nes when my parents got it from my uncle. which was shortly after.
There is a stigma that comes with being around when a game company is in its glory days, and I feel those were Nintendo's. They were original and at the time amazing in every way, from the look to the feel.

i said only quality third party is capcom, and i dont know if they said anything but im sure they will help out nintendo for a long while.
They signed on to help Sony and Nintendo.

and of course you call me a fanboy, im not really a fanboy. i just hate sony and their communistic style of controlling the gaming industry. you might not think so but that is you opinion. since you call me a fanboy, ill call you a spec nerd, or a casual gamer that thinks he is hardcore. just know that me telling you to take your biased ass back to the evil sony conglomerate.
Back to the Sony conglomerate? as in:
Definition: A corporation made up of a number of different companies that operate in diversified fields.
Though not used in the right syntax, nice try. Sony's communistic style of controlling the gaming industry? Are you joking? Atleast they don't push a new version of the same hardware on little kids every 3 months. Gameboy advanced, GB:A SP, GB Micro, wheres the end? You can call me a spec nerd but I'll take it as a compliment, and know that what you meant to say is that I actually research and make an informed purchase. Also, who draws the line between what is hardcore and what is casual gaming? How have I been biased? If Nintendo announces they're getting the Front Mission and complete Final Fantasy series, including FFVII remake, I will buy it, but as long as Sony has support of the company that I feel pushes the envelope on both graphics and gameplay, Square, I will buy their system.

if you want to continue fighting with me, i suggest getting a life and play some real games. the only good games are on nintendo systems and once you find that out, you will be enlightened. now leave me be so that i may find more info about the 360 frame rate.
And you said me calling you a fanboy was uncalled for? I'm sorry, I don't like Metroid, Wind Waker, Mario Sunshine, Smash Brothers Melee or any of those, I got my Gamecube for a real zelda game, which has yet to be released, and who knows, at this rate it may be postponed and just put onto Revolution. Waste of my money and time. Take your time finding out that a 3x3.2GHz-Dual core-64bit proc system can out perform a dual 1.6GHz 32 bit setup.

in reply to the last post:
get re4, metroid prime echoes, metroid prime one, mario sunshine, wind waker, wave race, super monkey ball (all of them), eternal darkness, both pikmin games, paper mario, ikaruga, mario tennis, f zero, harvest moon a wonderful life, stars wars rogue leader: rogue squadron, resident evil (remake), tales of symphonia, baten kaitos, star fox adventures, metal gear solid twin snakes, the legend of zelda: four swords, animal crossing, final fantasy:crystal chronicles, and bomberman generation.

all of these games are exclusives for the gamecube, for now, the re4 is going to ps2 but it will be watered down of course. but i can here you now " but the graphics suck!!!" no they dont, you are just a dumbass, they dont suck, at least medium quality to great brilliant quality. and the gameplay of each of these games kicks the ass of every other game in existence. you may say otherwise, but if you do, then you must a casual that only plays first person shooters and gta games.
Oh boy, what a set of hits. Tales of symphonia is one of the worst RPGs I have ever played entirely cookie cutter... Four swords is lame, why do I need to have a gameboy to play? Same with crystal chronicles, and oh boy.....bomberman! Same as it has been for the last 6 years. Though it may have a few titles that sold well (doesn't mean they played well, you said it yourself) their showing in this generation has been weak over all.

I'm not a graphics who-re. I'm a balance who-re. You give me decent gameplay along with graphics, along with originality and I'm one happy cat.

Also, have you read my article in the general gaming section? I make it quite clear I don't think any system is better than any other. They all have their strong points, their weak points (though some more than others), and their target audiences. If you were to judge the systems it would have to be which system appealed with the widest audience. I'm goin to bed, 4am here, peace. We can continue this tomorrow. I honestly want you to see where I'm comming from because I really don't think you're getting it.

mentalskater

08-04-2005, 03:58 PM

foulplay

08-04-2005, 05:17 PM

Nintendo is in the lead in the decline of oringinality? What ****ing games have you been playing? Original Square-Enix RPGs where a teenager and his group of friends save the world? Games with extremely original and inventive battle systems -- FF6,7,8,9,10,X2 - ? Similar stories - FF6, 7??? Doesn't sound too original to me, but then again, you've already proven your lack of intelligence, so I should've known that you'd contractict yourself in this manner
I have proved my lack of intelligence? You ignore complete parts of my arguement inorder to prove points which have nothing to do with anything previously discussed.

You confess your penchant for interactive games and yet one of your favorite games is FF7 -- a game that features absolutely no interaction at all!!?!? I find that very interesting...
And I also said that Elderscrolls is my favorite series. Remember that? FFVII was used rather to prove that I'm not a graphics freak. No interactivity? There is tons of content and characters that you can relate to.

Receipt? Nothing photoshop can't handle...
Why don't you just look up the parts your self, keep in mind smart shopping and you can get good deals.

And 30fps is supposed to be impressive?!?! Most PS2 games run at 60fps and this is supposed to be Microsoft's "next-gen" console? 30fps is horrible -- it wouldn't be bad if the games actually looked good, but they totally don't. They should just make the games less pretty and make them all run at 60fps. We don't need games like Gears of War - which does feature some amazing visuals if you're into plastic-looking character models and unrealistic lighting effects - that run at 15-20 fps.
Did you not read anything I wrote?

Several PSP's were recalled for the same reason...
And? So where DS's in Japan.

Sorry buddy but Square-Enix is no longer a meaninful third-party --- but you probably enjoy mindless garbage like FFX2 and Front Mission 4, so drones like you might still like them. I do agree that having solid third-party support can contribute quite a bit to a console's lineup, but Nintendo, unlike Sony and Microsoft, can actually make good first-party games - and that's enough to carry its console. Microsoft and Sony are the opposite -- good third party games, ****ty first-party games.
You're right, the company that Nintendo has been begging to become a dedicated third party for them. No, I didn't like X2, it lacked depth and storyline, I like FM4 because it is fun and original, but you won't even acknowledge that I said that. Those 'good' third party games are on the decline both in numbers and in originality. Metroid is original? Please.

And your point is?? Casual gamers dont know a good game when they see one, wait yes they do, it has to be pretty... no other requirements...
And your point is? I said several times that graphics are only part of a balance that must be achieved.

Sorry but that game sucks. Front Mission 3 was better - but not by much. You can't say that I'm alone on that -- very few reviewers actually thought that game was as fun as you seem to think it is - and the opinions of hundreds of gaming editors > yours.
Yes, because I judge what is a good game by the oppinions of editors, sorry, I have my own taste in games and I can see past the fact that FM4 had poor graphics and a steep learning curve. Front Mission 3 was better than FM4, no one denies that, but FM4 is a more recent example.

And one more thing -- it does not have decent graphics -- they're mediocre. The colors are drab, the textures are hideous, the draw-distance is unimpressive, the environments are featureless...I could go on, but I will admit that the wanzers do feature some pretty decent animation....
As I said, decent graphics but nothing ground breaking.

Morrowind does not have good graphics - and why would you be playing the watered-down **** port on the Xbox when you have this "super PC"? The visuals in Morrowind are plain, the NPC character models are reused often, the framerate chugs quite a bit -- especially in the GOTY edition -- and even entire structures are resused in the game ad nauseum.
By the way your little "everything you do has effects on your life" comment is hilariously ignorant --- Morrowind is NOTHING like real life. In Morrowind, you can fight can after can and become more powerful than any of the guards in their respective towns; also, killing random people doesn't seem to have much of an effect on your own life.
Unless you ever want to buy items right? Again, notice that a game I enjoy doesn't have good graphics, going against your entire 'graphics who-re' strategy you've taken. Give me a break, you're pathetic.

Again with the FF7 remake?!?! You sure do love originality...
I thought you were big on Games of the year meaning everything?

The Xbox 360's specs don't really mean much of anything - so far most of the games they've shown appeared to be less than impressive. And if you want to play the consoles impressive upcoming library, which consists of two genres - racing and FPS - than go right ahead...because that wouldn't be a waste of time.
Haven't you got the idea that I actually think that no next generation console will be good? It's more of a matter of finding the console that will suck the least. And aren't games themselves meant to be a waste of time?

The Twilight Princess is scheduled to release this year, so it seems highly unlikely that it will be postoned, scrapped, and coded up on the Revolution -- Nintendo isn't RARE you know.
Clearly that was sarcastic.

I agree that Tales of Symphonia is a bit of a cookie-cutter RPG -- I just put it on that list because it is critically acclaimed -- but FF7 is pretty much a carbon copy of FF6 (similar characters, similar story, similar battle system) and is about as cookie-cutter as an RPG can be.
FFVII may be 'cookie cutter' but it has a great plot, and I doubt that you've ever thought about it further than reading the text. I bet you don't even know what "Calamity from the sky" and "Geostigma" are right? They're only mentioned once or twice. How about how Cloud got his memories and Zack's memories mixed up?

Why do you need Xbox live to have fun playing on Microsoft's con sole? Why do you need to spend thousands of dollars to play crappy RPGs and FPS on your NASA-built computer? Why do you need to buy a modem to play a piece of **** like FF11? ??
Wow....just wow. I don't use XBox live which you would know if you've read any of my other posts. I use xlink Kai....mostly to avoid peole...like you. NASA-Built computer? Where the hell did that come from?

The funny thing about their supposed "weak showing" is that Nintendo recieved GOTY awards for both Metroid Prime and the Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker in 2002 and 2003 -- but you're right that's pretty unimpressive....
You're right, two games is enough to carry a console to greatness.

I see where you are coming from, and it is a pretty **** place to be...

Apparently you don't as you continue to make obscure claims. If you want to see my oppinion, go into the General game discussion and see the 'actual answer to which console is best'. You'll notice that I say that all consoles have both their strong points and weak points (though you failed to address that in your reply, coincidence?) and different target audiences. If I wanted my kids to play games, I would give them a Gamecube, I know that it has lots of games that are safe for kids of all ages, see? Gamecube is aimed for a younger audience on the whole. Sure it has RE4, but beyond that there isn't many extremely violent games. Once you read my other post you may respond. Until then sit down and shut up.

Heyyou27

08-04-2005, 06:06 PM

mentalskater

08-05-2005, 01:22 AM

Heyyou27

08-05-2005, 01:49 AM

foulplay

08-05-2005, 01:57 AM

yes i am a moron, it seems... for it seems you have not seen all the **** about xbox 360 going to have an average of 30 fps. and with it's amazing graphics, supposedly, the higher the framerate, the smoother it looks. no jerky movement, the human eye supposedly can see up to 60 frames per second. so if you were smart, you would know that games at the next gen level should run at 60fps. at least that way it will look smooth, so the "eye candy" doesnt become "eye poop". and yeah, foulplay say anything you want about that, it just means you linger on the stupidest things. im not saying that ps3 wont have good frame rates, but if they do, there cisual appearance will suffer slightly. and even with the low revolution specs, it does not mean substantially lower framerates.
Yes, I'm sure x360, the system that has proved time and time again to have the largest video bandwidth, will only run at 30FPS. I'll tell you what, if you can post one reliable source that says that, I will shut up, but you can't.

foulplay must be the moron. he said interactivity has to do with being able to relate to characters. that is bull, interactivity has to do with how much of the game environment is usuable in some way, like in re4 you can actually jump off of roofs, over fences, and out of windows. you seem to not know what you are talking about. either that or you are too stupid to use know the difference between interactivity and believable characters.
You really are ignorant and refuse to read my entire posts aren't you? I want a game that is fluid both in interactivity, and in actual content, I've said this a hundred times.

front mission 4 is a piece of ****. i said that already and if you like that game, it just prooves you horrible taste in games. i said everything there in sarcasm, especially the part about the wanzers having decent animation, further proving your lack of intelligence.
Apparently you have a extreme bias against Sony, and all of it's games. Front Mission 4 has become a cult classic, same as Final Fantasy Tactics. Both were reviewed to be horrible but have fans that still play to this day, and experiment with the game.

something that had no sarcasm was the part about the twilight princess not being scrapped and remade for revolution. it is not RARE (the stupid developer that moved the game Kameo back to xbox 360 from the xbox and from the n64) more stupidity is emanating from you.
well, you are stupid, you really had to say it twice,****ing idiot. and the second quote has nothing to do with what you replyed to. which was this.
Note that I said me saying who knowing if it will be released was sarcastic, not your comment. Twilight Princess has been delayed repeatedly.

this was talking about ps2 or course.
What was? You need to quote me so we all know what you're addressing.

lcd screen will inevitably have the occasional dead pixel, and you cant complain about the ds having the exact same problem psp had. i think you are even stupider because you said "And?" further proving you bias.
Nintendo had the same problem in Japan as the PSP had in the US. Do you not understand that? How is that proving I am biased? Did I go to Japan and screw up DS's? No. It happened and you act like the PSP problems are much more important and on a broader scale, which they weren't. You just didn't hear about problems from Japan.

of course you fail to realize that you only get on egame of the year per year, so i just named the two games that have gotten it so far, and of course you then say, "oh only two games that are good" well that makes you really stupid because wow got game of the year for one. and that automatically forces the other years to be divided between ps2 and xbox meaning a top of three for one system and that would truly mean that the other system would be the worst of the three. nintendo is at least second.
And who game them game of the year? Gamepro? Who cares what game critics say, play games and see if you like them. If you find quality games that weren't marked high more power to you. I suppose you've never heard of the phrase 'cult classic'. Think about movies like Donnie Darko, reviewed horrible then suddenly it was flying off store shelves so fast it couldn't be controlled. Also, any magazine that rates Halo/2 high is dead in my book.

you say that nintendo targets only younger kids, no they don't they want to get anyone to play their systems and games. if you didnt notice, most GC games are rated T. and there are a good amount of M rated games. there are a lot of E games but those are usually too hard for people at that young of an age. so you are really getting your facts wrong, not just me.
Read it again, I said their main target audience is kids, not their entire audience. Why would they not want to get anyone to play their systems or games, that is just bad marketing.

cookie cutter ff7 is, and because of that, it really cant have a great plot. here is the whole thing, some random guy with random "hot girls", buff warrior guy, old but skilled warrior, some beast man thing go and try to save the world from some crazed maniac. some plot... the same as every game nowadays. calamity in the sky=fancy word for giant meteor that will blow everything to hell. geostigma= dont remember but i think it was also a fancy way or easy way to say something meaningless. zack and cloud mixed up their memories because cloud was brainwashed to believe that. and if that isn't right, it was because i havent played it for a while.
Cookie cutter character generalizations have nothing to do with the actual depth of the plot. Calamity in the sky refers to Jenova as she landed on earth and created the northern crater, geostigma is the disease that Jenova spread amoung the ancients to turn them into the monsters that roam the earth, Zack and Cloud were both bombarded with mako energy during Hojo's experiments after they were wounded by Sephiroth, Zacks body took it and Cloud's couldn't as he was weak at the time, Zack told cloud his life story basically when Cloud was unconsious and then shinra soldiers found them and killed Zack, and Zack's memories became Cloud's, then when he met Tifa by the train in sector 7 she told him about their childhood and his real memories were then part of him as well.

and if you think revolution will suck the most, that is your opinion, but basing it entirely on specs is meaningless and you're not going to make the right decision.
I never said the revolution would suck the most, infact I'm holding off on buying a console until they've all been out for a while, I want to see how each performs and their game libraries before I make a decision.

then why do you need xkai to have fun with you xbox, i dont care if that is what you use, it is basically the same concept.
Uh....you know that it is free right?

and finally, how is more violent mean more mature. if you had a brain, you would know that violent games tend to appeal to younger people. why? because violence is cool to kids, and to immature adults.
Violent games shouldn't be played by young players, and once the ESRB is properly enforced (will be soon with the current GTA scandal) games will stay in the hands of people who should be playing them. It isn't just violence that makes a game meant for mature audiences, its also language, and how the violence is done. Killing a zombie is no where near as bad as beating a police officer to death with a sex toy.

i didnt just say you were a graphic who-re, but i also said you were a spec who-re, and seeing how you cant disprove that, i say you should leave this forum and every other nintendo forum alone you biased piece of ****. you should be the one to sit down and shut up unless you plan to say something constructive about nintendo in the NINTENDO FORUM!!!
Honestly, read my posts before you claim ludicris things. Once again, as I have said in my last two posts, I don't think that any console is really better at this point, it is too early to make a call. I have said very few things bad about Nintendo in my entire stay here, so you can stop saying I'm biased.

if you want to continue this argument, then go find someone that cares... i tire of this meaningless argument because you know that this will be completely opinion based and we will get no where. you can talk about specs but i suggest you talk about that in the respective forum. nintendo only should be in here, nothing else. so leave me be or ill have to make you eat all of your words.
I agree that it is completely opinion based on one front, but you obviously care since you have taken the time to post repeatedly. And for the third time, specs can only help a system so far, where systems shine is in great games (in large quantities) that appeal to large audiences of gamers. Once again, read my article in general gaming and you will see that I believe that no system is really better than any other at this point in time.

Heyyou27

08-05-2005, 05:06 PM

Violent games shouldn't be played by young players, and once the ESRB is properly enforced (will be soon with the current GTA scandal) games will stay in the hands of people who should be playing them. It isn't just violence that makes a game meant for mature audiences, its also language, and how the violence is done. Killing a zombie is no where near as bad as beating a police officer to death with a sex toy.

Hot coffee mod anyone?

foulplay

08-05-2005, 05:14 PM

Hot coffee mod anyone?
Indeed. No idea why it is such a big deal but oh well, let them cry.

Heyyou27

08-05-2005, 07:00 PM

Only 5 days and 5 hours until Nvidia unveils "The power of 3".

foulplay

08-05-2005, 07:16 PM

Only 5 days and 5 hours until Nvidia unveils "The power of 3".
Does that mean 3 video cards? Damnit my motherboard is gonna be useless now.

Heyyou27

08-05-2005, 08:30 PM

Does that mean 3 video cards? Damnit my motherboard is gonna be useless now.
Yes that means 3 videocards. TIME TO UPGRADE AGAIN!

God

08-05-2005, 08:46 PM

Yes that means 3 videocards. TIME TO UPGRADE AGAIN!
Hehe, I have been saving up for that baby for a LONG time.

Drunken_Shinobi

08-05-2005, 08:49 PM

Yes that means 3 videocards. TIME TO UPGRADE AGAIN!
There's the invention of dual video cards....but now tri-video cards??? Now this is kind of getting out of hand.

mentalskater

08-05-2005, 10:52 PM

First off, at E3 Sega stated that Full Auto, an Xbox360 titile would have a
"locked" framerate of 60 frames per second, meaning it would never
drop
below 60 frames per second.

The Resident Evil 4 environment is interactive? Since when has being able
to jump off a roof been interactive? True interactivity is being able to
have some effect every object in the game. Games like Half-Life2, not
Resident Evil 4.

But why does Full Auto only look marginally better than most Xbox games? It
doesn’t matter what a developer says because when it comes to framerate
consistency, it’s rarely ever true. Expect Full Auto to chug like just about
every major Xbox game – save for Ninja Gaiden.

Yeah that damn Resident Evil 4…and that damn Gamecube with its 400mhz
processor…why can’t it be more like Half Life 2 – a game that requires a
relatively high-end PC for graphics that are only slighter sharper than
those of Resident Evil 4…a bit blockier…but with tons more interactivity…

And how many people actually want to interact with every object in the game?
Alas that’s the most exciting part of Half Life 2….which is a damn shame.

-------------------------------------------------
Yes, I'm sure x360, the system that has proved time and time again to have
the largest video bandwidth, will only run at 30FPS. I'll tell you what, if
you can post one reliable source that says that, I will shut up, but you
can't.

How has that really been proven? Were there any actual Xbox 360 consoles
available at E3? Nobody has proven anything about the Xbox 360, so just wait
until it comes out. Remember, the launch games for the original Xbox looked
– and played – much worse than the E3 demos did so the same could very well
happen to the 360 games…

The thing is, the Xbox 360 is capable of making games run smoothly at Xbox
360, but those games are the worse looking games like that one zombie game
and FFXI. Developers seem to be pushing the console to its (unimpressive)
limits with games like Gears of War (the build at E3 only ran at 15-20fps)
and Elder Scrolls 4 – a game that will actually look worse than its PC
counterpart.

I’m not saying the final code will have framerate inconsistencies, but with
only a few more months to go before launch, it seems highly unlikely that
they’ll [Microsoft Game Studios] be able to fix that because their track
record dictates it.

Just go to Gamespot.com and read what they thought of the underwhelming Xbox
360 demos

You really are ignorant and refuse to read my entire posts aren't you? I
want a game that is fluid both in interactivity, and in actual content, I've
said this a hundred times.

Yet you play Front Mission 4….

Apparently you have a extreme bias against Sony, and all of it's games.
Front Mission 4 has become a cult classic, same as Final Fantasy Tactics.
Both were reviewed to be horrible but have fans that still play to this day,
and experiment with the game.

Hmmm, it’s funny how some of my favorite games are on Sony consoles…anyway,
just because a game becomes a cult classic doesn’t mean its good – there’s a
reason why these things are called “cult” classics. People seem to show
interest in them for no apparent reason other than to be different… I also
find it interesting that you think that the most highly acclaimed, and most
genuinely entertaining Final Fantasy game – FF Tactics – was considered
horrible by game reviewers. Last time I checked, most critics found it to be
far more entertaining the average FF bore-a-thon.

Note that I said me saying who knowing if it will be released was
sarcastic, not your comment. Twilight Princess has been delayed repeatedly.

That it has, but the odds of Nintendo scrapping this near-final code are on
par with the likelihood that you actually have a brain in your skull

Nintendo had the same problem in Japan as the PSP had in the US. Do you not
understand that? How is that proving I am biased? Did I go to Japan and
screw up DS's? No. It happened and you act like the PSP problems are much
more important and on a broader scale, which they weren't. You just didn't
hear about problems from Japan.

And why would the Japanese complain about anything sony-related?!? It’s just
like how they never complain about Japanese cans being fed to legitimate
competitors in Pride FC. I also never said the PSP problems were much more
important – they’re on par with Nintendo’s problems – so basically both
companies screwed up.

And who game them game of the year? Gamepro? Who cares what game critics
say, play games and see if you like them. If you find quality games that
weren't marked high more power to you. I suppose you've never heard of the
phrase 'cult classic'. Think about movies like Donnie Darko, reviewed
horrible then suddenly it was flying off store shelves so fast it couldn't
be controlled. Also, any magazine that rates Halo/2 high is dead in my
book.

1) Gamepro sucks – good job assuming that I read that POS, moron. You see
the thing is, I don’t care much for game critics either, but their opinions
are far more valid than yours. These people have been playing games for
years, so why would I listen to you when you have zero credibility?!?! When
the majority of critics hate a game, you know it really can’t be that great,
and in contrast, when a multitude of critics enjoy a game and give it
prestigious honors, you know it kind of has to be good.

2) Donnie Darko did NOT receive horrible reviews – it sucks, yes – but most
critics enjoyed it. Go to Rottentomatoes.com where they add up every single
review for it and average it out; I think the final score was something
around 80%...not bad at all.

3) Halo 2…I don’t like the game either, but if you can name a better
multiplayer game (on consoles) – which you can’t – I’d sure like to know
about it. The single player experience may be repetitive and may consist of
poor production games – ‘cept for the sound – but the multiplayer experience
pretty much makes the game.

read it again, I said their main target audience is kids, not their entire
audience. Why would they not want to get anyone to play their systems or
games, that is just bad marketing

And because their main target audience is kids, means that there games
aren’t fun, innovative, or challenging? Try a game like Pikmin 2 or Metroid
Prime 2: Echoes – games you probably wouldn’t be able to complete, since I’m
sure you lack the patience and finesse required. It’s funny how their best
games aren’t even targeted towards children – the Metroid series…

Cookie cutter character generalizations have nothing to do with the actual
depth of the plot. Calamity in the sky refers to Jenova as she landed on
earth and created the northern meteor, geostigma is the disease that Jenova
spread amoung the ancients to turn them into the monsters that roam the
earth, Zack and Cloud were both bombarded with mako energy during Hojo's
experiments after they were wounded by Sephiroth, Zacks body took it and
Cloud's couldn't as he was weak at the time, Zack told cloud his life story
basically when Cloud was unconsious and then shinra soldiers found them and
killed Zack, and Zack's memories became Cloud's, then when he met Tifa by
the train in sector 7 she told him about their childhood and his real
memories were then part of him as well.

Actually they do you worthless piece of **** – shallow character design = a
less believable plot. And when you have this pretentious, bull**** story –
like in FF7, Xenosaga, and many other RPGs – there’s almost no reason to
play the damn game. I don’t think I wanted to hear about that game’s piece
of **** story, so I just ignored everything after “Calamity in the sky”. The
fact still remains – the story borrows HEAVILY from its predecessor and the
bulk of RPGs that came out beforehand.

By the way, the dialogue is ****.

Uh....you know that it is free right?

I’m sure it requires a high-speed internet connection – is that free too!!
Damn what a world…

Violent games shouldn't be played by young players, and once the ESRB is
properly enforced (will be soon with the current GTA scandal) games will
stay in the hands of people who should be playing them. It isn't just
violence that makes a game meant for mature audiences, its also language,
and how the violence is done. Killing a zombie is no where near as bad as
beating a police officer to death with a sex toy.

Yeah, I’m sure once they force those rating, kids will no longer be able to
play mature games – because we all know the only way for a child to obtain
an M rated game is to buy it at a store. They can’t just borrow those games
from someone, take it from their parents, or buy it elsewere…that’s
completely unrealistic. Kids want to play games like that and if you haven’t
noticed most kids use the same foul language found in those games – most
“MATURE” people -- and I’m not taking about 17+ year olds, but rather
people who aren’t entertained by meaningless things like sex and violent –
would actually want to play a more serious game.

and the reason i post repeatedly, is to get you a-holes out of this thread and discuss this elsewhere. i would rather hear news on the Revolution here rather than go to a multitude of sites to get my info, but thanks to you guys i was forced to take my time and search the gaming pages. which takes out a lot of time from actual gaming. and to prove my point, there are people talking about needing to upgrade their motherboards to get a 3 video card marchine. so do us all a favor and leave this thread alone. if you do not then **** you...

Heyyou27

08-05-2005, 11:00 PM

But why does Full Auto only look marginally better than most Xbox games? It
doesn’t matter what a developer says because when it comes to framerate
consistency, it’s rarely ever true. Expect Full Auto to chug like just about
every major Xbox game – save for Ninja Gaiden.

Yeah that damn Resident Evil 4…and that damn Gamecube with its 400mhz
processor…why can’t it be more like Half Life 2 – a game that requires a
relatively high-end PC for graphics that are only slighter sharper than
those of Resident Evil 4…a bit blockier…but with tons more interactivity…

And how many people actually want to interact with every object in the game?
Alas that’s the most exciting part of Half Life 2….which is a damn shame.

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How has that really been proven? Were there any actual Xbox 360 consoles
available at E3? Nobody has proven anything about the Xbox 360, so just wait
until it comes out. Remember, the launch games for the original Xbox looked
– and played – much worse than the E3 demos did so the same could very well
happen to the 360 games…

The thing is, the Xbox 360 is capable of making games run smoothly at Xbox
360, but those games are the worse looking games like that one zombie game
and FFXI. Developers seem to be pushing the console to its (unimpressive)
limits with games like Gears of War (the build at E3 only ran at 15-20fps)
and Elder Scrolls 4 – a game that will actually look worse than its PC
counterpart.

I’m not saying the final code will have framerate inconsistencies, but with
only a few more months to go before launch, it seems highly unlikely that
they’ll [Microsoft Game Studios] be able to fix that because their track
record dictates it.

Just go to Gamespot.com and read what they thought of the underwhelming Xbox
360 demos

Yet you play Front Mission 4….

Hmmm, it’s funny how some of my favorite games are on Sony consoles…anyway,
just because a game becomes a cult classic doesn’t mean its good – there’s a
reason why these things are called “cult” classics. People seem to show
interest in them for no apparent reason other than to be different… I also
find it interesting that you think that the most highly acclaimed, and most
genuinely entertaining Final Fantasy game – FF Tactics – was considered
horrible by game reviewers. Last time I checked, most critics found it to be
far more entertaining the average FF bore-a-thon.

That it has, but the odds of Nintendo scrapping this near-final code are on
par with the likelihood that you actually have a brain in your skull

And why would the Japanese complain about anything sony-related?!? It’s just
like how they never complain about Japanese cans being fed to legitimate
competitors in Pride FC. I also never said the PSP problems were much more
important – they’re on par with Nintendo’s problems – so basically both
companies screwed up.

1) Gamepro sucks – good job assuming that I read that POS, moron. You see
the thing is, I don’t care much for game critics either, but their opinions
are far more valid than yours. These people have been playing games for
years, so why would I listen to you when you have zero credibility?!?! When
the majority of critics hate a game, you know it really can’t be that great,
and in contrast, when a multitude of critics enjoy a game and give it
prestigious honors, you know it kind of has to be good.

2) Donnie Darko did NOT receive horrible reviews – it sucks, yes – but most
critics enjoyed it. Go to Rottentomatoes.com where they add up every single
review for it and average it out; I think the final score was something
around 80%...not bad at all.

3) Halo 2…I don’t like the game either, but if you can name a better
multiplayer game (on consoles) – which you can’t – I’d sure like to know
about it. The single player experience may be repetitive and may consist of
poor production games – ‘cept for the sound – but the multiplayer experience
pretty much makes the game.

And because their main target audience is kids, means that there games
aren’t fun, innovative, or challenging? Try a game like Pikmin 2 or Metroid
Prime 2: Echoes – games you probably wouldn’t be able to complete, since I’m
sure you lack the patience and finesse required. It’s funny how their best
games aren’t even targeted towards children – the Metroid series…

Actually they do you worthless piece of **** – shallow character design = a
less believable plot. And when you have this pretentious, bull**** story –
like in FF7, Xenosaga, and many other RPGs – there’s almost no reason to
play the damn game. I don’t think I wanted to hear about that game’s piece
of **** story, so I just ignored everything after “Calamity in the sky”. The
fact still remains – the story borrows HEAVILY from its predecessor and the
bulk of RPGs that came out beforehand.

By the way, the dialogue is ****.

I’m sure it requires a high-speed internet connection – is that free too!!
Damn what a world…

Yeah, I’m sure once they force those rating, kids will no longer be able to
play mature games – because we all know the only way for a child to obtain
an M rated game is to buy it at a store. They can’t just borrow those games
from someone, take it from their parents, or buy it elsewere…that’s
completely unrealistic. Kids want to play games like that and if you haven’t
noticed most kids use the same foul language found in those games – most
“MATURE” people -- and I’m not taking about 17+ year olds, but rather
people who aren’t entertained by meaningless things like sex and violent –
would actually want to play a more serious game.

and the reason i post repeatedly, is to get you a-holes out of this thread and discuss this elsewhere. i would rather hear news on the Revolution here rather than go to a multitude of sites to get my info, but thanks to you guys i was forced to take my time and search the gaming pages. which takes out a lot of time from actual gaming. and to prove my point, there are people talking about needing to upgrade their motherboards to get a 3 video card marchine. so do us all a favor and leave this thread alone. if you do not then **** you...
You're the one who mentioned interactivity. Go ahead, look for the average ratings of Half-Life2 vs Resident Evil 4.

Oh and the Gamecube has a 485MHz IBM processor. Not 400.

mentalskater

08-06-2005, 12:02 AM

big woop, 85 mhz different and you freak out. you truly are a patheitic one.

Heyyou27

08-06-2005, 12:07 AM

big woop, 85 mhz different and you freak out. you truly are a patheitic one.
I'm sorry, but that's an that's a large difference. But seeing as you know absolutly nothing about processors, okay.

foulplay

08-06-2005, 12:29 AM

I guess you can say **** us then, we don't have to go anywhere. Trailers you get off of the internet will obviously lack the quality of what the game will look like in real life, so never judge graphics by trailers. Once you stop being ignorant to the fact everything you say is not correct, when the facts are continuously growing against you, and grow up a few years, you'll be able to come in here and start mouthing off. Until then you can go back to your room in your parent's house and stop being a little e-thug wanna be gangster. If you have beef with my opinion, tough ****. Guess what? You have already made enough of a thorough fool of yourself that you discredit everything you have said. Once you are in college we'll talk. You think that you know more about the gaming industry than someone who is going to college for program and game design? Doubtful. Your ignorant behavior is beginning to grow tired, so go ahead and get off your soapbox and sit down. You're time for talking out of your ass is over. Game over kid. :smokeing1

Heyyou27

08-06-2005, 12:33 AM

Ouch. Painfully true.

mentalskater

08-06-2005, 01:14 AM

you say you can stay here, and it is quite obvious that i can as well.

so tough ****.

and your final argument is about movie trailers, and then you continue on calling me a wannabe gangster. you are truly a ****ed up arrogant ass. i didnt say that i was always right. the facts arent against me. you are painfully mistaken. im not a wannabe gangster. just someone that is tired of your bull****.

you say i brought up interactivity, it was actually foul here that brought it up. but he did not mention half life 2 in any of his post. and yes, being able to jump off a roof is more interactive than most other games. you also fail to notice that i said jump through windows, climb over fences, and a couple other things. you can also block doors and knock over ladders, and much more things but that is truly interactive. and what foulplay used as examples is ff7 where the characters make it interactive. no, you must not know the meaning of interactive. and it is definitly not the ability to connect to the characters (which are still low in personality if you think about it)

you are calling my behavior ingorant, you noticed how the arguments dwindled shortly after what i have said. that means you just ran out of things to talk about. what you have also failed to understand that this was a useless attempt to make me seem like the idiot. but you no longer have a true argument anymore, so take this "imaginary" victory and celebrate it. because you still lack the brains to know that you failed, and that makes you more ingorant than anyone else.

you call me arrogant, notice that i went back on things that i have misread or misunderstood. but you stuck with you bull**** to the end, saying that you were right and i was wrong. if you go back and read your own post and mine, you will come to discover you are the master of arrogance. i might not have been right in some cases, but that does make everything i say wrong. i find it meaningless to argue with you now that i know what you really are. you dont fool me and hopefully you dont fool anyone else. but i think that you know that you were wrong more than i was, and you try to counter it by calling me ignorant. yes go back and check, it really does show your true stupidity. so see ya ****ers as i go start an actual thread about revolution where people can share news about the REVOLUTION, nothing else, that is what the other threads are for. so go bother someone else now.

Krauser

08-06-2005, 04:38 AM

I cant wait for the Revolution. But there needs to be more information about it!!

nofate456

08-14-2005, 08:48 AM

foulplay

08-14-2005, 12:22 PM

ok look, you bias little freaks, nintendo was the greatest but it has fell behind. PS3 was the first system to be planned for next gen. the xbox 360 followed. however the xbox 360 did not even come close to multiplying its power as the ps3 did the ps3 is around 6x as powerful while xbox 360 is only like 2 or 3x im not gonna comment on revolution specs cause nothuing is known really but i will say that at the e3 meeting nintendo said that graphics had come as far as the could so that leads me to believe the revolution wont be much for graphics and im pretty sure it only has one online game and the only use of its online compatability is downloading games many of which if you are a hardcore nintendo fan you already have.
Playstation 3 might have been the first announced but Xbox360 was the first to come out with final specs. Graphics have come about as far as they can on a standard definition TV, which is the market Nintendo is aiming for: Low income houses with no HDTV. While Sony and Microsoft are aiming for that and the higher income markets. Specs have been leaked somewhat, the fact it is based on dual 1.8GHz PowerPC processors.

What do you mean multiplying power? First of all, as of right now, there is no telling how the Playstation 3 will even perform. Its power is based on cell processor architecture which calculates differently than standard PPC/x86/EM64T architectures. They have said PS3 is 1.8 TFLOPS, and X360 is 1.0 TFLOPS, which actually means less than you would think, as very few operations in current games are floating point operations. We'll see if that has a very big impact soon. X360 is also MUCH faster in integer processing, which is HUGE in current games. X360 aslo uses a unique 'super swap' which is a small, but EXTREMELY FAST add on to video RAM which distributes the processes and makes the video made use of much more efficiently.

Quartecks

08-15-2005, 06:27 PM

In the past all of Nintendo's contollers have been very easey to use and very comfortable. I highly doubt that that's the real controller (plus since it's CG it's probably a fake).

Quartecks

08-29-2005, 07:41 PM

Sheesh! I do a post and all of a sudden everyone stops the conversation!!

Boong

08-29-2005, 08:15 PM

haha i started it again hahahahahahahaha

Quartecks

08-30-2005, 09:15 PM

No you just started a new one.

Quartecks

09-19-2005, 07:36 PM

Ok do you want this whole thing cleared up? I sure as heck do. I won't give dates, but here are some facts about the systems. Ok first Sigerui Miyamoto gets hired by Nintendo to help them after their coin-op arcade game ( it was called Radar scope) fails. Mr.Miyamoto, seeing that it was just another boring shoot-em-up throws it away and starts working on what would become Donkey-Kong (don't tell me you've never heard of that mario game where you climb up scaffolding to save Peach), and sure enough it makes it big time. now some where around this time (I think) Bill Gates ever so creatively copies the Macintosh system and makes Microsoft Windows DOS (this becomes important later). Ok Nintendo's doing swell with their systems now we're at the part just before the N64 comes out and I'm a bit confused on the time-line so bear with me (or pit-bull with me if you like dogs more), when the first game-boy comes out Nintendo ALSO releases an adapter so you can play game-boy games on your super Nintendo, so they are responsible for the first backwards compatible games, this is also around the time when Nintendo makes the deal with
sony to help with the Play Station. Back at who-knows-where (sometime later) Microsoft is almost invincible BUT.... Mac releases the iPod! Someone says "Dude checkout my wicked Mp3 player!" then guy 2 says "Whoa! Sweet! An iPod, hey isn't that made by that company that makes though's way out computers?" guy 1 "Dude they make computers? Sweet! I'm getting one!", and so-on. Now Mr.Gates is thinking Oh crap! I knew they were better but an iPod? I'm in deep crap unless...Hey! Why don't I copy Nintendo and Sony? I meen Nintendo is making that Dolph 64 (that was the Game-Cubes code name) and Sony is making that PS2 (people were talking about the PS2 almost right after the release of the PS1). So the XBox was born *cough*carboncopied*cough*. And so begins the war of the Video Game System Corporations (quite the title eh?). Now the XBox wass just a computer the plugs to your t.v, nobody really wants, let alone needs the dvd and CD players (I mean that's why people just used a few hundred dollars for a real one why would they want one in a gaming system?). The PS2 was a little better with graphics and BC. But for those who wanted an original and great gaming machine went with the cube. Now we're back to today!

Quartecks

09-19-2005, 09:07 PM

Hey, I found the rwal controller pics!

http://www.nintendo.com/newsimagelarge?articleid=TfyOgnUc7zB-ZlzdQvMhKJOgS5LsR2nK&currentNo=0&page=other

http://www.nintendo.com/newsimagelarge?currentNo=1&articleid=TfyOgnUc7zB-ZlzdQvMhKJOgS5LsR2nK

http://www.nintendo.com/newsimagelarge?currentNo=2&articleid=TfyOgnUc7zB-ZlzdQvMhKJOgS5LsR2nK

http://www.nintendo.com/newsimagelarge?currentNo=3&articleid=TfyOgnUc7zB-ZlzdQvMhKJOgS5LsR2nK

http://www.nintendo.com/newsimagelarge?currentNo=4&articleid=TfyOgnUc7zB-ZlzdQvMhKJOgS5LsR2nK

http://www.nintendo.com/newsimagelarge?currentNo=5&articleid=TfyOgnUc7zB-ZlzdQvMhKJOgS5LsR2nK

http://www.nintendo.com/newsimagelarge?currentNo=6&articleid=TfyOgnUc7zB-ZlzdQvMhKJOgS5LsR2nK

http://www.nintendo.com/newsimagelarge?currentNo=7&articleid=TfyOgnUc7zB-ZlzdQvMhKJOgS5LsR2nK

http://www.nintendo.com/newsimagelarge?currentNo=8&articleid=TfyOgnUc7zB-ZlzdQvMhKJOgS5LsR2nK

If anyone thinks that sony is better after that they are just plain idiots.

foulplay

09-19-2005, 10:17 PM

If anyone thinks that sony is better after that they are just plain idiots.

Anyone who has made up their mind before all of the consoles are released is an idiot.

gwia

09-20-2005, 03:01 AM