Notice how I didn't put "None of the above" on there to keep the bitter teenagers out.

I can't vote yet, but I'll just put "other" to see who "other" is.

I voted for Barack, because I agree with him on all the issues I understand.

Notice how I didn't put "None of the above" on there to keep the bitter teenagers out.
I don't see a none of the above option....

I'm not partaking in this thread past this point. I'm not going to pretend I understand all the convoluted American systems or the things I hear when the politicians give speeches and debates. Gimme a guy who wants to keep the death penalty, negotiate with other nations, admit it when he screws up, not make promises he can't keep, doesn't hire idiots, pays attention to his nation's budget, tacks real solutions to real problems, and hires a competent FEMA. Then I'll vote for him.

Right. So I guess I'll vote 'other'.

I would vote for myself. With a write in ballet thingy.

I would vote for myself. With a write in ballet thingy.http://artsedge.kennedy-center.org/exploring/ballet/images/Bolshoi1.jpg

ballot, not ballet
hehe

Doesn't matter, the only way all americans will get equal rights is with Rudy Gillianni and well he's not too great of a choice.

Doesn't matter, the only way all americans will get equal rights is with Rudy Gillianni and well he's not too great of a choice.So you're saying that Rudy Giuliani, a conservative, who's main platform is valuing freedom over equality is out to promote equality by dumping taxes on businesses and and business regulations? I didn't think so.

I voted for Barack, because I agree with him on all the issues I understand.
Wow... I just voted for him cus I want to see how many assassination attempts will be made on his life between now and the day he's sworn in... (You know the red-necks are already planing something. It's the only time they shut up. In about a year they'll reveal a plan more intricate than an Al Qaeda bomb plot. ...But with actual weapons. On a side note, can you imagine what it'd be like if Pakistani dudes actually had real weapons instead of those sling shots they call guns? Good thing....).

HAHA! Silly Sen, red-necks can't plan!

Well, I suppose technically not. Red-necks with plans are then called Klu Klux.

Neo-Nazis should also be in the Klu Klux...so you could say the Red-Necks with plans aren't the only ones who are called "Klu-Klux".

Well, I suppose technically not. Red-necks with plans are then called Klu Klux.
I totally lol'd at that.

Well, the KKK don't really plan either. They just go "Deeeehh, lets light a cross on fire on a black guys lawn! He ain't white, so he must be evil!"

Well it does take some planning to lynch random black people without getting caught...

True. Its pretty damn hard to take one of us down, even when the odds are against us.

Nader! he's is so left out =(

For good reason.

I'll be 18 by next November but I'm probably not going to vote anyway because I know I'm one part of the mass of brainless Americans who don't know shit about politics. The people who actually read up on their candidates and know what is best for our country would probably prefer that I refrain from giving my uneducated 2 cents.

Well, I suppose technically not. Red-necks with plans are then called Klu Klux.the KKK hasn't killed anyone officially since the 1800's.

Dude, are you trying to bait me? That's like saying Global Warming as a result of Greenhouse gases is just a theory (though, let's be clear, that's exactly what it is) while swimming in a lake of what, 2 months earlier, was a snow cap for some Mountain in the Andes.

Irregardless of whether it has been officially acknowledged or not, the fact remains that the KKK is responsible, whether directly or indirectly, for the deaths of thousands of African Americans (I hate that term), especially between 1950 and 1970. They are advocates for antisemitism, anti-Catholicism, anti-communism, racism, white supremacy, homophobia and nativism. Much like the Natzis, they sensitized, and often instigated the public to "cleansing the Earth of its rotten scourge." Klan members would often bring their children to take pictures with freshly lynched bodies. They would tell people that America's problems were caused by blacks or by Jewish bankers, or by other such groups, much like the Nazis. The Black Legion, a faction of the Klan was infamous for targeting and assassinating communists and socialists.

And by the way, what about James Ford Seale? His ties to the KKK are irrefutable. And there was a klan-related lynching in 1981.

Dude, are you trying to bait me? That's like saying Global Warming as a result of Greenhouse gases is just a theory (though, let's be clear, that's exactly what it is) while swimming in a lake of what, 2 months earlier, was a snow cap for some Mountain in the Andes.

Irregardless of whether it has been officially acknowledged or not, the fact remains that the KKK is responsible, whether directly or indirectly, for the deaths of thousands of African Americans (I hate that term), especially between 1950 and 1970. They are advocates for antisemitism, anti-Catholicism, anti-communism, racism, white supremacy, homophobia and nativism. Much like the Natzis, they sensitized, and often instigated the public to "cleansing the Earth of its rotten scourge." Klan members would often bring their children to take pictures with freshly lynched bodies. They would tell people that America's problems were caused by blacks or by Jewish bankers, or by other such groups, much like the Nazis. The Black Legion, a faction of the Klan was infamous for targeting and assassinating communists and socialists.

And by the way, what about James Ford Seale? His ties to the KKK are irrefutable. And there was a klan-related lynching in 1981.You're missing the point. The KKK hasn't taken responsibility for lynchings since the 19th century. You could say that, thats like saying the entire Enron corporation are a bunch of frauds and careless individuals, when its only a select few who really fit that label.

You're missing the point. The KKK hasn't taken responsibility for lynchings since the 19th century. You could say that, thats like saying the entire Enron corporation are a bunch of frauds and careless individuals, when its only a select few who really fit that label.

Are you saying that not everyone in the KKK is bad or not everyone has murdered someone in the recent years?

Joke:

What do a call a black person that drives a plane?

Joke:
What do a call a black person that drives a plane?
A pilot.

Joke:

What do a call a black person that drives a plane?I hope you don't drive a plane.

Thread on verge of collapse. get on topic, or I will make it so...

I would vote for a chimpanzee in a suit... oh, wait, Bush has already been in office for two terms.

I would vote for a chimpanzee in a suit... oh, wait, Bush has already been in office for two terms.no he hasn't. Now who's the chimpanzee.

Yeah he has, this is his second term.

I would vote for a chimpanzee in a suit... oh, wait, Bush has already been in office for two terms.
Yeah he has, this is his second term.
He's actually been in office for around 6.8 years.

completing 2 terms is 8 years. So you're still the chimp.

I JUST said it was second term. All I meant in the first, was that he can't run again.

And, you're still the jack ass.

I JUST said it was second term. All I meant in the first, was that he can't run again.

And, you're still the jack ass.I'm the jackass that knows more than you.

Well I said I would vote for Hilary Clinton, only because I know very little about American politics and I saw Hilary on Ellen and Ellen said that she should be the next president, Ellen has yet to lie to me.
Allthough Hilary does seem like an uptight screwball bitch...

Lesbians never lie

Exactly, if you can't trust lesbians who can you trust?

Are you seriously placing faith in Ellen Degenerate?

Are you seriously placing faith in Ellen Degenerate?

HA! Awesome.

@Napalm: What did I say that was wrong? This is Bush's second term, he cannot run again. That is a fact, and that is what I said. If you are just a Bush lover, than good for you, but don't mask it by pretending I am an idiot.

Are you seriously placing faith in Ellen Degenerate?
Yes, Yes I am. Allthough if Oprah or Tyra tells me that someone else is better then I'll just be torn.

Why was John Edwards not on that list?

Because he sucks just like Maury Povich, Rikki Lake and Dr Phil.

He's #3 in the polls ATM.

I'm the jackass that knows more than you.
going in my signature!

frankly,
i would vote for whomever promised to give me the most tax breaks and in general make MY life better.

I would vote for whoever gives me more cowbell!

I gotta FEVA! And the ONLY CURE is MORE COWBELL!!!

_back on track_ Edwards is a good plan, he has experience in various fields, I mean, for Chrissakes he is a lawyer and he has excellent money management skills. Even though he ran with Kerry in '04 and they lost, he has campaign experience and if nothing else, knows what not to do while campaigning.

_back on track_ Edwards is a good plan, he has experience in various fields, I mean, for Chrissakes he is a lawyer and he has excellent money management skills. Even though he ran with Kerry in '04 and they lost, he has campaign experience and if nothing else, knows what not to do while campaigning.

Hmmm...

Everyone that is running has more than adequate knowledge of the law. His profession doesn't necessarily give him an advantage. And just cause he can balance his checkbook doesn't mean he can do the same for an economy.

...And that last part doesn't make him a good choice for President, it makes him an experienced campaigner.


P.S. LOL Does anyone know if Napalm is the UF student who got tasered? He hasn't been on in a while...

Vote for Schwarzenegger!!

I'll be able to vote NEXT time. In 2012. But If I could vote I'd vote For Barack Obama. The first thing to love about his is his charisma. And he seems like he'd actually try to fix stuff. He's Green, and he wants to pass an equal marriage law...two things I am all for. He also seems like he's got a lot of spirit. Plus, I'm pretty sure it was him who wants to get rid of the "No child left behind" thing in schools, and I threw my hands up at that. That program is straight from hell. No child left behind my ass.

Napalm vive en Las Vegas...Nah, just Meth capital USA Reno.

Sam Brownback FTW!!!!

You Rock, Barack!

Nah, just Meth capital USA Reno.
Sam Brownback FTW!!!!
Brownback? Seriously?

I like some of his views; support of stem cell research, leaving abortions laws for the states to legislate, and I half-agree with him about teaching intelligent design in public schools; it should be taught in a theology class, and evenly balanced with the theory of evolution in a science class, to give students a full spectrum of ideas on which to build.

But as far as I'm concerned, another Conservative getting into the White House is going to fuck any chances of legalizing same-sex marriage. Frankly, I'm sick of government adopting a Christian fundamentalist stance on what its citizens should do. Relatedly, he doesn't think hate crime rulings should take into account sexual orientation, and I can't morally support that at all.

Some other positions I take issue with: no same-sex basic training (I am a strong proponent of gay rights, can you tell?), backing out of the Immigration Reform Act, his support of those indecently high fines for violations of broadcast decency standards. His environmental views suck. His civil rights voting record sucks. He supports increasing penalties for drug offenders (I don't want to pay taxes for some back-alley crackhead to sit in jail).

I'm still weighing the candidates, so I can't really say who I like the best at the moment. Maybe Obama.

Teaching intelligent design in schools is unconstitutional. Seperation of church and state. If we are gonna teach intelligent design in school, we might as well wipe our ass with the flag.

Teaching intelligent design in schools is unconstitutional. Seperation of church and state. If we are gonna teach intelligent design in school, we might as well wipe our ass with the flag.
oh btw Senator Brownback is against desecration of flags, which is bullshit. Sure, it's a representation of national spirit. It's also a mass-produced piece of colored fabric.

Straight up endorsing religion or praying in school is wrong, I agree with that. But teaching kids a fair, unbiased view of both intelligent design and evolution is really no different than telling them "there may be a god, and there may not be, but we don't know, and these are two ways of thinking".

Public education need not be based strictly on atheistic arts and sciences, especially since many people form opinions on this kind of stuff in their more formative years. Think about it this way: if some kid's family never went to church, and he/she was never really exposed to Christianity any time in his/her life, kid wouldn't really have any path to follow other than that of the environmentally-prescribed atheist mindset. Now suppose the kid heard about intelligent design in school, and really liked the premise. Kid goes to the store, buys a Bible for shits and giggles, reads it, and decides he/she wants to be a Christian. If the kid found something that makes him/her happy, isn't that what we should hope for? Happiness?

No one alive should hope for happiness. The pursuit of happiness and Religion (Doctrine separate from true spirituality) are the two greatest reasons for suffering in the world. Happiness by definition is fleeting. It does not last. Joy should be Man's true goal. No matter what happens to you, as long as you're joyful, you'll be ok. That was something taught to me by the single most beautiful mind I have had the privilege of interacting with.

oh btw Senator Brownback is against desecration of flags, which is bullshit. Sure, it's a representation of national spirit. It's also a mass-produced piece of colored fabric.
Straight up endorsing religion or praying in school is wrong, I agree with that. But teaching kids a fair, unbiased view of both intelligent design and evolution is really no different than telling them "there may be a god, and there may not be, but we don't know, and these are two ways of thinking".
Public education need not be based strictly on atheistic arts and sciences, especially since many people form opinions on this kind of stuff in their more formative years. Think about it this way: if some kid's family never went to church, and he/she was never really exposed to Christianity any time in his/her life, kid wouldn't really have any path to follow other than that of the environmentally-prescribed atheist mindset. Now suppose the kid heard about intelligent design in school, and really liked the premise. Kid goes to the store, buys a Bible for shits and giggles, reads it, and decides he/she wants to be a Christian. If the kid found something that makes him/her happy, isn't that what we should hope for? Happiness?

Bull. Shit.
I agree that religion should be taught in schools. In HISTORY CLASS. Where it is RELEVANT. There is nothing scientific about intelligent design. If we teach Christianity's version of intelligent design, than we must also teach the Pastafarian version of intelligent design.

Bull. Shit.
I agree that religion should be taught in schools. In HISTORY CLASS. Where it is RELEVANT. There is nothing scientific about intelligent design. If we teach Christianity's version of intelligent design, than we must also teach the Pastafarian version of intelligent design.
When did I say there was science involved in intelligent design?

And in the United States, where Christianity is the main religion, it's only logic that says that's what will be taught. But it would be cool to teach Islamic and Jewish beliefs in the theology class as well.

k, I'm done. I hate arguing but I always either start it or get drawn into it.

That is what it means to teach intelligent design. It is taught as an alternative to evolution, in science class. Which is unconstitutional. I have no problem with it being taught in history, as it is a major part of history and its kinda hard to teach around it.

No matter how much id see hilary to become president, i agree much of her ideas. that ho better not screw it up. gilianni isnt a bad choice either, hes more democratic then republican even if he is in the republican party. I get to vote too! :)

Nobody Expects The Span- I Mean Thread Inquisition

First my thread gets moderated in Useless crap for no good reason as I still had plenty of argue left in me, there was no flaming or bad pictures yet it was closed.
Now when we discuss something somewhat on topic (Intelligent Design in schools would be important issue relating to the presidental elections) our posts are deleted! Ah fuck this place.

Inquire my ass

First my thread gets moderated in Useless crap for no good reason as I still had plenty of argue left in me, there was no flaming or bad pictures yet it was closed.
Now when we discuss something somewhat on topic (Intelligent Design in schools would be important issue relating to the presidental elections) our posts are deleted! Ah fuck this place.

Well... you're constant burning of emos and insessant (questionable spelling) cruelty is in the realm of flaming. I mean, you were being quite the asshole.

I was but I wasn't flaming any members here