Who do you think was the worst ever President of the United States?

you. Oh snap got yah there lololololol.
naw I don't think there is a worst.

Abraham Lincoln. No joke.

Nixon was pretty bad.

Abraham Lincoln. No joke.explain yourself. Or is this about taking away civil liberties? I bet it is.

The correct answer was Bush. He sucks. Stupidest man alive, running the most powerful country in the world. Not a good fit.

Who was the one that got impeached after 2 months? Andrew Johnson I believe..?

OH I GET IT HAHA CUZ YOU CAN ONLY CHOOSE BUSH

i dont get it
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Benjamin Franklin.

The poll itself is silly already.

I just felt like ragging on Bush cuz he sux teh fat nut.

The correct answer was Bush. He sucks. Stupidest man alive, running the most powerful country in the world. Not a good fit.How does the stupidest man get ELECTED president?

I think you are confusing public speaking with leadership.

How does the stupidest man get ELECTED president?
I think you are confusing public speaking with leadership.

He got elected because the majority of Americans are equally stupid.

How does the stupidest man get ELECTED president?
I think you are confusing public speaking with leadership.
I think it has been proven time and time again that Americans don't always vote for the most qualified person. Also, you can be borderline retarded, but still come out as the people's champ, so long as you have a brilliant support team.

How does the stupidest man get ELECTED president?
More people voted for Gore than for Bush.
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Benjamin Franklin.
I seriously hope you're kidding.

People... you must at LEAST remember both the men he ran up against, in 2000, and 2004.

The world would probably have come to an end if either of those men were elected to office.

And Gabby... I'd like to see an exact list of reasons as to why you think Mr. Bush in indeed, the "worst" president ever.

I'm personally tied with Andrew Jackson and Richard Nixon.... but, whatever.

And Neverender... wtf are you talking about?

I think it has been proven time and time again that Americans don't always vote for the most qualified person. Also, you can be borderline retarded, but still come out as the people's champ, so long as you have a brilliant support team.The most qualified individual does not exist. It is simply a figment of your imagination that you somehow happen to hold true.

And if the second part is true, then howcome everyone hates on the 'Bush Administration' Meaning the majority of the cabinet and appointed members of the executive branch. Cheney is poked at almost as much as Bush is.

He got elected because the majority of Americans are equally stupid.So the majority of businessmen and entrepreneurs are stupid? And if you're referring to those in the nether regions of this country. Keep in mind that they belonged to the Democrats for almost the 150 years prior.

More people voted for Gore than for Bush.Funny, I recall the Electoral College to be filled with people who are the most qualified to decide who leads. So one of them apparently decided that ManBearPig doesn't actually exist, and that the internet was created in the 1950's.

I seriously hope you're kidding.He's sarcastic, not stupid.

Can't Georgie-boy run for a third term? I mean, I dont know why he would, 'cause people already want to get rid of him, but wasn't he like appointed for his first term, not elected or whatever the word is?

I'm pretty sure he's ready to get out of office.

I seriously hope you're kidding.

I am kidding, you should of known that.

And now the joke is dead.

Can't Georgie-boy run for a third term? I mean, I dont know why he would, 'cause people already want to get rid of him, but wasn't he like appointed for his first term, not elected or whatever the word is?Sorry, Can't run for a 3rd term as of 1947.

22nd Ammendment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution )

And about Bush's "appointment"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/ElectoralCollege2000-Large.png

Grant. I'm related to the guy, and I think he was an incompetant drunkard.

Jackson, for his mistreatment of Native Americans and instituting the spoils system.

Bush Jr., for being a quasi-dictator.

John Quincy Adams, because Henry Clay rigged the election in Adam's favor.

*sigh...*

Only spoiled Americans think it right to compare Bush's rein to an actual dictatorship.

I love how the majority of "debaters" in this thread, aren't even eligible to vote. in in 5, 4, or 3 years your opinion will matter. For now, just keep listening to MCR.

I love how the majority of "debaters" in this thread, aren't even eligible to vote. in in 5, 4, or 3 years your opinion will matter. For now, just keep listening to MCR.A vote that has some education behind it is a lot better than a vote that you're parents told you to place. O_o

Are you kidding? Kids are growing up liberal, democratic etc. No one should be taught politics until they're 17, just so they don't ruin their child hood by saying "I was too right wing to play in the sand box". Learning politics at 17 is better because the person whom learning about policies, tax proposals etc is almost old enough to be considered an adult, but still has time to learn about these things.

I've been saying that ever since I can remember, look up my previous posts on political topics.



(Nickychris is going to have something to say about how "The youth are still people" etc, but really they aren't; judging on what presidential candidates are trying to sell to the voting population)

No... actually, I wasn't going to say that. And though you are probably right... I personally don't think that'll ever happen.

Parents still teach/manipulate their children outside of school, and because of it the kids will still think they know everything there is to know, and believe that they should be able to vote... that's not going to change.

Funny, I recall the Electoral College to be filled with people who are the most qualified to decide who leads. So one of them apparently decided that ManBearPig doesn't actually exist, and that the internet was created in the 1950's.
Well it was sure as hell close, mostly because we didn't want another scrawny liberal, salt-and-pepper-haired dude coming into office after we just got rid of the last one. Gore said a few stupid things, but I think he could have done a good job.
Can't Georgie-boy run for a third term? I mean, I dont know why he would, 'cause people already want to get rid of him, but wasn't he like appointed for his first term, not elected or whatever the word is?
Are you serious? I knew that none of that was true when he was elected and I was in third grade. No offense.
I love how the majority of "debaters" in this thread, aren't even eligible to vote. in in 5, 4, or 3 years your opinion will matter. For now, just keep listening to MCR.
It isn't like we aren't intelligent. And what you said about being raised liberal (multi-quote apparently doesn't stretch that far) isn't really true. Demographically, it seems that way, but I know about a million people who outright loathe liberalism in general. I'm kinda divided in two, because my parents are, but I'm definitely not being raised liberally.
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As for Abe Lincoln, I think he was a crappy president because he said things like: "God of Heaven has forgotten to defend the weak and innocent, and permitted the strong band of murderers and demons from hell to kill men, women, and children, and lay waste and pillage the land of the just," and then quoting a bible passage a few years later. In the same speech as that when he quoted the bible passage, he said, "I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other." He said this when the abolishment of slavery was about as popular a political issue then as terrorism is today. During his first run for presidency, in the Douglas-Lincoln debates, when Douglas said that Lincoln wanted the same rights for 'negroes' as 'everyone else' Lincoln said that he was "not in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races."

He also said, while running for president in 1860, that there was absolutely no chance of a civil war breaking out, despite complete hatred between the general South and the general North, and everyone who supported him said that his presidency and political values would never bring about secession. His entire election was run on the image of him as a white farm worker on a successful farm, saying that free, non-slave labor was just as functional.

It was almost completely unanimous in the entire southern US that Abraham Lincoln was the worst choice for president, and Lincoln did absolutely no campaigning in the south and did not even try to compromise. He was the first president to win an election because he played sheer demographics rather than gain the support of the people.

Lincoln didn't do a single thing to stop the first nine states from seceding. He just didn't recognize them as anything but a part of the US. When, finally, Lincoln called for troops, he only lost five more states to the South. After this, he tried to negotiate with four more slave states saying that if they sided with the north that he would not make any moves to abolish slavery in those states, which would make their economies soar in comparison to the rest of the states. So a bribe.

Anyway, I don't think he was a very good president at all. Abolishing slavery was a good thing, and I'm totally against it and all, but it definitely could have been done much better.

Are you kidding? Kids are growing up liberal, democratic etc. No one should be taught politics until they're 17, just so they don't ruin their child hood by saying "I was too right wing to play in the sand box". Learning politics at 17 is better because the person whom learning about policies, tax proposals etc is almost old enough to be considered an adult, but still has time to learn about these things.Don't even pretend to think you haven't been politically influenced before recently. Just don't.

I've been saying that ever since I can remember, look up my previous posts on political topics.I'm happy for you.

(Nickychris is going to have something to say about how "The youth are still people" etc, but really they aren't; judging on what presidential candidates are trying to sell to the voting population)MrNaPaLm32 is going to say that Led_Zeppelin needs to spend some time and think about what influences him in this world. Nobody's independent.

http://b6.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00942/61/72/942622716_l.jpg

I don't think you're the only person in the world who wears jeans and T-shirts. Or Nifty little arm-bands that you bought for a dollar that somehow make you part of some organization.

And NOBODY takes myspace pictures like that one. Right?


And this topic is on who's the worst president, not how john griffin can say that all the minors shouldn't be learning politics, when he himself has just recently turned 18.

Thank You.

It feels good to hear him contradicting someone else. Well, read it.

*sigh...*
Only spoiled Americans think it right to compare Bush's rein to an actual dictatorship.
I didn't say an actual dictatorship. In his defense, he's not the only president to limit civil rights during wartime. And he is a good person, just not a good president.

Don't even pretend to think you haven't been politically influenced before recently. Just don't.
I'm happy for you.
MrNaPaLm32 is going to say that Led_Zeppelin needs to spend some time and think about what influences him in this world. Nobody's independent.
http://b6.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00942/61/72/942622716_l.jpg
I don't think you're the only person in the world who wears jeans and T-shirts. Or Nifty little arm-bands that you bought for a dollar that somehow make you part of some organization.
And NOBODY takes myspace pictures like that one. Right?
And this topic is on who's the worst president, not how john griffin can say that all the minors shouldn't be learning politics, when he himself has just recently turned 18.
Thank You.


I've never been into politics. I'm still not.

And since when did I ever say I'm an individual? So you're saying, I'm not allowed to wear t-shirts, jeans, or give to charity (Yes, that's a united way wrist band in which I received for donating 20 dollars towards the helping the homeless) because I'm not into politics? As for the myspace picture, sure I took it. There's nothing wrong with it, whereas a year or two ago (when I was slightly more immature) I was totally against them. But why did I take that picture? Allow me to direct my attention to here (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=44298556).
What you are looking at, is my pet birds myspace. Yes, my budgie Hank has a myspace. I thought it would be funny if Hank "gave" into the myspace picture thing, because a lot of the people on myspace have those pictures. (P.S You mentioned I was wearing jeans. Look closer, and you'll notice those are my blue swimming shorts)

I may have just turned 18, but hey. I'm legal. I'm sure some members of the gprime community can confirm my stance against politics. So, next time you feel like contradicting me (or anyone for that matter), I suggest you research your topic thoroughly, and not half ass it.

So basically, my rebuttal to your statement:

http://i19.tinypic.com/5x8dxf8.jpg


P.s. The united way is a good charity to support. If you would like to learn more about this charitable organization, you can learn more here (http://www.unitedwaytoronto.com/who_we_help/who_we_help_index.html)

In your case... that would require him being a stalker.

No way...did someone really just own Napalm?

No, he just fought back and I'm pretty sure Napalm will find something on Led. This might go on for a while but Napalm will win because he always keeps at it until he wins...I guess.

I've never been into politics. I'm still not.Then why are you pissed off at a bunch of kids who argue about them?

"BBUTT, they ARENTZ 18 YET TEHR VOHT DOSENT MAHTER!!!"
Sure, but they all turn 18 don't they?

And since when did I ever say I'm an individual? So you're saying, I'm not allowed to wear t-shirts, jeans, or give to charity (Yes, that's a united way wrist band in which I received for donating 20 dollars towards the helping the homeless) because I'm not into politics?No, in fact, my post had little to do with politics. Seeing as that you largely consider yourself to neutral on the topic, I merely suggested otherwise. "Not Into Politics" Usually means someone is uncomfortable discussing their views, or simply does not want to. This doesn't mean that you don't have them.

I may have just turned 18, but hey. I'm legal. I'm sure some members of the gprime community can confirm my stance against politics. So, next time you feel like contradicting me (or anyone for that matter), I suggest you research your topic thoroughly, and not half ass it.In your case... that would require him being a stalker.Seeing as that requires a drive of 2390.10 miles, and the fact that I cannot buy a plane ticket, this seems rather unlikely.

So basically, my rebuttal to your statement:
http://i9.tinypic.com/4lqqsjp.jpg
I can post funny pictures too. Amazing.

P.s. The united way is a good charity to support. If you would like to learn more about this charitable organization, you can learn more here (http://www.unitedwaytoronto.com/who_we_help/who_we_help_index.html)Kur-Frivolous information.

Sure, but they all turn 18 don't they?


Not if they get steamrollered beforehand.

i don't remember any of the presidents but George W. Bush......so i guess he's the worst.....but i dunno!

Not if they get steamrollered beforehand.Yeah, but I'd be willing to bet all the active posters make it to that age.

Then why are you pissed off at a bunch of kids who argue about them?
"BBUTT, they ARENTZ 18 YET TEHR VOHT DOSENT MAHTER!!!"
Sure, but they all turn 18 don't they?
No, in fact, my post had little to do with politics. Seeing as that you largely consider yourself to neutral on the topic, I merely suggested otherwise. "Not Into Politics" Usually means someone is uncomfortable discussing their views, or simply does not want to. This doesn't mean that you don't have them.
Seeing as that requires a drive of 2390.10 miles, and the fact that I cannot buy a plane ticket, this seems rather unlikely.
So basically, my rebuttal to your statement:
http://i9.tinypic.com/4lqqsjp.jpg
I can post funny pictures too. Amazing.
Kur-Frivolous information.


I guess you can say I'm trying to help kids grow up and enjoy their child hood. Rather than grow up, protesting/bashing bush (in this case, politics).

I don't discuss my views on anything such as the war on terrorism, transportation, my favourite flavour of doritoes because:

NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.

Honestly, no one cares. Not a single person. Nickychris might say "You're a living person, I care!" (Actually, maybe not after her last thread I read). If you were to actually go outside for once, get hit by a bus and die: I wouldn't care. Sure, possibly because I don't know you whatsoever, and of course I would say "Wow, he got hit by a bus", but I wouldn't lose any sleep. Same goes for quite a few members on this forum. Some moreso than others.

As for the picture, I feel that it contradict*s you, mostly because it's in your signature and well: you fail.






*You're an idiot. Don't start what you know you won't finish.

I guess you can say I'm trying to help kids grow up and enjoy their child hood. Rather than grow up, protesting/bashing bush (in this case, politics).Everything in life is in preparation for something else. Preschool>Elementary school>Middle School>High School>College>Work>Retirement>Death

Why fight the system when you know you can't?

I don't discuss my views on anything such as the war on terrorism, transportation, my favourite flavour of doritoes because:

NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.
Correction:
I DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

and I would probably assume that the 19,969,840 people in your country who, in 2004, dragged themselves out of their jobs that put food on the table, probably do...

Honestly, no one cares. Not a single person. Nickychris might say "You're a living person, I care!" (Actually, maybe not after her last thread I read). If you were to actually go outside for once, get hit by a bus and die: I wouldn't care. Sure, possibly because I don't know you whatsoever, and of course I would say "Wow, he got hit by a bus", but I wouldn't lose any sleep. Same goes for quite a few members on this forum. Some moreso than others.This doesn't relate to what we're talking about.

As for the picture, I feel that it contradict*s you, mostly because it's in your signature and well: you fail.I'm happy that you feel that way. Because quite Frankly:
I DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

*You're an idiot. Don't start what you know you won't finish.Excellent closer. Nothing complements a sub-par argument like a nice personal insult. Go figure.
*Giggle**Giggle*Hee Hee...You're gay!! Hee, Hee*Giggle*

Everything in life is in preparation for something else. Preschool>Elementary school>Middle School>High School>College>Work>Retirement>Death
Why fight the system when you know you can't?
Correction:
and I would probably assume that the 19,969,840 people in your country who, in 2004, dragged themselves out of their jobs that put food on the table, probably do...
This doesn't relate to what we're talking about.
I'm happy that you feel that way. Because quite Frankly:
Excellent closer. Nothing complements a sub-par argument like a nice personal insult. Go figure.

This is true, to an extent. Why not enjoy these steps? I think kids would have more fun running around playing baseball, football, tag hide and go seek etc rather than running around screaming "Don't wanna be an american idiot!", try and understand something that they won't until they're much older. As for the older kids, 13-17, this is just me, but I'm glad I didn't waste my time watching legislative assembly on tv. I didn't waste my time learning about something I shouldn't have, instead I got a job, bought a car, got a girlfriend and love my life. I don't know about you, but that sounds a lot more fun than arguing with others about national security, war, why parking lots don't have a certain amount of handicap parking spaces etc. Also, when did I imply to "fight the system"?


So you're telling me that you care about my opinions of things, and you would lose sleep if I were to tragically killed this very moment? You would take a sudden interest in me if I said "I think that the provincial government of Canada should be held responsible for the lack of funding to my school, which has a depleted library, sub par gym and not enough teachers for every course which is offered on my option sheet"? If so, you are one generous human being and share the same characteristics of jesus.

If you see a * followed by text at the end of a note, letter, thread or anything in general, there's a good chance it's not a closing statement. It's not your fault that you haven't learned it yet. You'll learn how to write angry letters/complain properly in grade 11/12.



Also, if you're like me and don't understand politics, watch the movie Zeitgeist here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=zeitgeist&total=1163&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0). I learned a lot from it. I didn't believe in religion before, and that movie pretty much helped me not believe it anymore. All you "bush haters" will love that movie too.

And yes, I know we're not talking about religion.


I'll label this as my closing statement for you. I don't see why you're attacking my character in general (See first argument with picture of me, and description on how I dress). Since you're the "debate mod", you should know to at least attack my ideas, and not me. It's like saying "I disagree with your ideas, but since you're black I'm going to bash you." So in your next reply, I hope you attempt to "prove my ideas wrong", rather than you attack me personally. A debate mod who doesn't know the basics of debating, go figure.

Napalm, I thought you knew better than to say something like "Everything in life is in preparation for something else. Preschool>Elementary school>Middle School>High School>College>Work>Retirement>Death
Why fight the system when you know you can't?" in a forum full of young-ish people. My my. You're almost as bad as my English teacher*. Well the truth is that that is by no means true. Your life is what you make it. Some people never really work. Some people never get the chance to retire. Some people don't get to go to college. The years before Preschool are arguably the most important years in your life. And then there's post-death, in which about 6 of the world's 7 billion people believe. Maybe some people actually stop to smell the roses before they move on to the next step. Maybe they value other people. Maybe some people see other people's opinions as opportunities to learn, not something against which to argue. There's something between, something encompassing, every single one of those steps. It's called living. And I feel truly sorry for the person who lives life like you described it.

*she told us she assigned The Picture of Dorian Gray for Summer reading because she thinks today's youth needs to be a little less optimistic about their lives and their youth.

Napalm, I thought you knew better than to say something like "Everything in life is in preparation for something else. Preschool>Elementary school>Middle School>High School>College>Work>Retirement>Death
Why fight the system when you know you can't?" in a forum full of young-ish people. My my. You're almost as bad as my English teacher*. Well the truth is that that is by no means true. Your life is what you make it. Some people never really work. Some people never get the chance to retire. Some people don't get to go to college. The years before Preschool are arguably the most important years in your life. And then there's post-death, in which about 6 of the world's 7 billion people believe. Maybe some people actually stop to smell the roses before they move on to the next step. Maybe they value other people. Maybe some people see other people's opinions as opportunities to learn, not something against which to argue. There's something between, something encompassing, every single one of those steps. It's called living. And I feel truly sorry for the person who lives life like you described it.
*she told us she assigned The Picture of Dorian Gray for Summer reading because she thinks today's youth needs to be a little less optimistic about their lives and their youth.
I actually agree with the bottom part for some reason, maybe it's because I'm not so optimistic myself...but anyways, life is pretty much about how you make it to be. Funny thing how we're talking about life and how this can go in the "What's the purpose of life?" thread.

This is true, to an extent. Why not enjoy these steps? I think kids would have more fun running around playing baseball, football, tag hide and go seek etc rather than running around screaming "Don't wanna be an american idiot!", try and understand something that they won't until they're much older. As for the older kids, 13-17, this is just me, but I'm glad I didn't waste my time watching legislative assembly on tv. I didn't waste my time learning about something I shouldn't have, instead I got a job, bought a car, got a girlfriend and love my life. I don't know about you, but that sounds a lot more fun than arguing with others about national security, war, why parking lots don't have a certain amount of handicap parking spaces etc. Also, when did I imply to "fight the system"? You Act like the people debating sit and watch C-SPAN all day. They don*t. But if you think before you go off to college is all fun and games. You*re wrong.

So you're telling me that you care about my opinions of things, and you would lose sleep if I were to tragically killed this very moment? You would take a sudden interest in me if I said "I think that the provincial government of Canada should be held responsible for the lack of funding to my school, which has a depleted library, sub par gym and not enough teachers for every course which is offered on my option sheet"? If so, you are one generous human being and share the same characteristics of jesus.Not reall*y. I don't really know where you're deriving these idea*s from.

If you see a * followed by text at the end of a note, letter, thread or anything in general, there's a good chance it's not a closing statement. It's not your fault that you haven't learned it yet. You'll learn how to write angry letters/complain properly in grade 11/12.
As for the picture, I feel that it contradict*s you, mostly because it's in your signature and well: you fail.
Most college bound individuals also know that you can't put an asterisk(thats what its called, not a "STAR FINGY!!") in the middle of a word. It's not your fault that you haven't learned it yet. You'll learn how to write angry letters/complain properly in grade 8/9. ;)

Also, if you're like me and don't understand politics, watch the movie Zeitgeist here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=zeitgeist&total=1163&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0). I learned a lot from it. I didn't believe in religion before, and that movie pretty much helped me not believe it anymore. All you "bush haters" will love that movie too.

And yes, I know we're not talking about religion.Then why are you discussing a movies im*pact on your faith? And I understand politics fine, so theres really no reason for me to watch it.

I'll label this as my closing statement for you.Oh goodie. I hope there's another FAIL picture!

I don't see why you're attacking my character in general (See first argument with picture of me, and description on how I dress).Since you're the "debate mod", you should know to at least attack my ideas, and not me. It's like saying "I disagree with your ideas, but since you're black I'm going to bash you."
Interesting...

Are you kidding? Kids are growing up liberal, democratic etc. No one should be taught politics until they're 17, just so they don't ruin their child hood by saying "I was too right wing to play in the sand box".

Actually, It is you're ideals. Seeing as that you seem to think you yourself immune to politics, is really the issue I was bringing up. "I DON'T HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT GOES ON IN MY COUNTRY" I find to be rather un*believable, unless of course you're an anarchist, or simply live under a rock.

So it would go like:
"I disagree with your ideas, but since you're ignorant, I'm going to bash you."
_____________________________________________

So in your next reply, I hope you attempt to "prove my ideas wrong", rather than you attack me personally.
So so easily we forget...


So basically, my rebuttal to your statement:
http://i19.tinypic.com/5x8dxf8.jpg

As for the picture, I feel that it contradict*s you, mostly because it's in your signature and well: you fail.

*You're an idiot. Don't start what you know you won't finish.



I think this one belongs up here too ^
A debate mod who doesn't know the basics of debating, go figure.Nobody won an election in this country since the 1700's without calling names. Not that I'll really hold this against you, since:
Also, if you're like me and don't understand politics
You claim your*self to know so little about politics, why would you attempt to engage in one of its pinnacle attributes, debating.

Also, one doesn't debate like this:


*Argument*

http://i19.tinypic.com/5x8dxf8.jpg


*Argument*


FAIL! YOU FAIL!


*Argument*


BIG FAIL!
http://i13.tinypic.com/4xqon7t.jpg

While politic*ians name-call, I think this kind of "debating" isn't going to get you many "votes".


*LOOK AT ME! I CAN INSERT USELESS SHIT INTO THE MIDDLE OF MY WORDS TOO!!!11! CHECK IT OUT!!!

And in case Neverender** decides to use something stupid about long posts, keep in mind that it is to the point, and the majority of the space is taken up by quotes by our carrot-top Canadian friend.

** I don't feel like dealing with you at the moment, stay posted. (Proper Reference!)

I actually agree with the bottom part for some reason, maybe it's because I'm not so optimistic myself...but anyways, life is pretty much about how you make it to be. Funny thing how we're talking about life and how this can go in the "What's the purpose of life?" thread.Well, Technically this thread should have been closed a while ago, but at the threat of having the "g-power" struggle about how I delete things I know I can't respond to, I've let this one go.

Does it have to be a US president? As bad as Georgia Bush is, Robert Mugabe is many times worse. 'Cus even if Bush is sanctioning the murdering of US civilians by the CIA, at least he doesn't get caught. Mugabe does it in the open. And no one can tell him Jack. And he nuked the entire nation's Economy. At least Bush has the nation's economy at heart. Often at the expense of the people, but hey...

Does it have to be a US president? As bad as Georgia Bush is, Robert Mugabe is many times worse. 'Cus even if Bush is sanctioning the murdering of US civilians by the CIA, at least he doesn't get caught. Sorry my friend, but I find this laughable. the CIA only deals with foreign affairs. Not to mention they deal with espionage. They're not executioners. The United States does not have aSchutzstaffel.

Mugabe does it in the open. And no one can tell him Jack. And he nuked the entire nation's Economy. At least Bush has the nation's economy at heart. Often at the expense of the people, but hey...How does improving the economy hurt the people?

1) I wasn't saying that Bush or the CIA murder people. I was simply alluding to all the conspiracies

2) When one cares about protecting foreign investments and giving tax write offs to Big Business companies while people's 401k and Medicare fall through, starting a war to ensure oil reserves, but leaving people in a stadium to die because of the "lack of resources"... Dude, seriously?
Besides, all I was saying was that Bush cared more about the Economy than the people it's supposed to benefit, I never said he was succeeding

1) I wasn't saying that Bush or the CIA murder people. I was simply alluding to all the conspiraciesThen say that next time. Thank You

2) When one cares about protecting foreign investments and giving tax write offs to Big Business companies while people's 401k and Medicare fall through, starting a war to ensure oil reserves, but leaving people in a stadium to die because of the "lack of resources"... Dude, seriously?To be honest, you sound like some guy who just watches TV news and makes his own conclusions about it.

401K's are based in the S&P 500. Heres the index of the S&P 500 for the last 5 years.
http://investing.businessweek.com/cgi-bin/upload.dll/file.png?182c21ea7e86474290601e55988d1048
Strange how the 401K has been climbing instead of falling through as you said earlier. And Medicare was doomed from the time it was implemented. Obviously this is my own point of view, but the Medicare system is probably one of the most corrupt grant systems we have in the government. Like giving checks to those addicted to drugs, buy more drugs, etc.
Sure it sounds nice in theory, but so did communism.

Ensure oil reserves? Then why wouldn't we make a reason to attack Saudi Arabia? Or Kuwait? They have more Oil than Iraq. Seeing as that the "big dummy" can trick congress into declaring a war on a country for its oil, why not do it for Saudi Arabia? The majority of fighters in Iraq are radical Shiites from Saudi Arabia.

Oh and I just love it when people reap Katrina to lash out against the federal government. How many people were in the superdome? like 14,000? Rule of thumb, each person needs 1/2 gallon of fresh water a day to survive. Lets say, they bring a weeksworth. Thats 3.5 gallons a person bare minimum. Water weighs 8.34 lbs per gallon. Thats 29.19 lbs per person. Thats 408,660 lbs of fresh water in one shipment. Thats over 204 tons of WATER bare MINIMUM weekly. To ask how they got that much there in 3 days I couldn't tell you, but its a miracle they got it there that fast. That doesn't include food, and medical supplies. And whats this "Equipment" that is in Iraq that could help, please let me know.

Besides, all I was saying was that Bush cared more about the Economy than the people it's supposed to benefit, I never said he was succeedingHmm....

Napalm, I thought you knew better than to say something likeYou? Correcting me? My, this should be just wonderful.

"Everything in life is in preparation for something else. Preschool>Elementary school>Middle School>High School>College>Work>Retirement>Death
Why fight the system when you know you can't?"The quote button is there for a reason. It looks like this: http://gprime.net/board/images_pb/buttons/quote.gif

in a forum full of young-ish people. My my.A forum full of young-ish people who fit my flow-chart exactly? My my.

Aren't you one of the ones debating in this thread? reinforcing my point? Or did that slip your mind.

You're almost as bad as my English teacher*.GASP another asterisk!

Well the truth is that that is by no means true.I'm happy that you think so, lets see what you have to support this argument:


Your life is what you make it.Actually, you have a set path you take. Call it destiny if you will. Except this isn't your normal philosophical destiny, this is scientific destiny. You start at one point and end at another, with infinitely many points in between. Infinitely many "lives" living right beside, behind and in front of you, had something been done differently. So no, your life has a set path through the 6th dimension.

Some people never really work. Some people never get the chance to retire. Some people don't get to go to college.Yeah but thats like denying demographics during a presidencial election. Not ALL Black people vote democratic. Not ALL rich people vote republican. You simply cannot state that it is untrue just because a small segment of the population do not fit in. Thats just not how it works.

The years before Preschool are arguably the most important years in your life.Regarding what? Shitting yourself? learning nursery rhymes? what?

And then there's post-death, in which about 6 of the world's 7 billion people believe.Why are you relating an unproven ideology to the steps of life? Its "life" not "post-life". Get it? Good.

Maybe some people actually stop to smell the roses before they move on to the next step.Sure, but you just stop to smell the roses for a little bit. Then keep going where you're going. Change is inevitable, resistance is optional.

Maybe they value other people. Maybe some people see other people's opinions as opportunities to learn, not something against which to argue. There's something between, something encompassing, every single one of those steps. It's called living. And I feel truly sorry for the person who lives life like you described it.Does that mean you then? Unless of course you'd like to fall into one of your quagmires of irregularity, like working till death, Not going to school, or anything else.

*she told us she assigned The Picture of Dorian Gray for Summer reading because she thinks today's youth needs to be a little less optimistic about their lives and their youth.And by no means is that my point. You seem to take it that my point is extremely pessimistic; That our lives follow a set chain of events, when really its not.

And If you want to try to take advantage of me being in an argument with someone else to "stick it to the man", please, please do a better job.

You? Correcting me? My, this should be just wonderful.
Yeah, should be. Seeing as how this argument will probably remain strictly onpersonalmoralsohwait you already changed that with your sixth-dimension remark didn't you?
The quote button is there for a reason. It looks like this: http://gprime.net/board/images_pb/buttons/quote.gif
No shit. I'm using it now and I've obviously used it before. It just wasn't worth my trouble. I was too busy wanting to get back to enjoying my life and focusing on how I'm not currently doing anything to prepare for the next step.
A forum full of young-ish people who fit my flow-chart exactly? My my.
Aren't you one of the ones debating in this thread? reinforcing my point? Or did that slip your mind.
What makes you think we fit your flow chart exactly? That we've already gone to preschool, middle school and high school? So the fact that we're going to go to college, work, retire, and die is absolutely imminent? And exactly how does debating this thread reinforce your point? You put nothing in your stupid little cycle about how debating in threads contributes to becoming a victim to your cycle. And with that, I ask, what point? That which hasn't been established? The point you were arguing with Led Zeppelin that has little to do with this? Or the point that you said to Drunken Shinobi "I've let this one go"?
GASP another asterisk!
I know words are hard for you, and you like to read as little as possible, but reading just a little extra is only going to help you.
Actually, you have a set path you take. Call it destiny if you will. Except this isn't your normal philosophical destiny, this is scientific destiny. You start at one point and end at another, with infinitely many points in between. Infinitely many "lives" living right beside, behind and in front of you, had something been done differently. So no, your life has a set path through the 6th dimension.
Not true. The end of your life is not determined until that moment which it ends, and even if I'm wrong about that, nobody can possibly have any more than a theory. Time is intangible. All we have are formulas and calculations that speculate how time might or might not function. But how far can that take us? To the end of human understanding, maybe? Time encompasses everything. Our attempts to understand it is just like attempting to understand God.
Yeah but thats like denying demographics during a presidencial election. Not ALL Black people vote democratic. Not ALL rich people vote republican. You simply cannot state that it is untrue just because a small segment of the population do not fit in. Thats just not how it works.
Yes I can and yes it is, although your little example there wasn't what I was trying to say at all. I can state that it isn't true that ALL PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW A SET PATH because there are many people that won't. So yeah, life is what you make it. A person's life takes the path it takes because of the decisions the person makes. You can't possibly say that a person isn't in control of their own life. No person, no tangible force, is capable of knowing what decisions we will make and when and how it will affect our life, other than that we make decisions based on previous experience.
Regarding what? Shitting yourself? learning nursery rhymes? what?
You learn the foundation of everything you will ever know before you're 11/12. Anything you learn after the age of 11/12 is only building on what you have already learned. About half, a little less, maybe, of that foundation is built before you start any kind of school. Without those years, you would be a babbling fucking idiot for the rest of your life. So even if they aren't THE most important, I'd say they were pretty damn significant.
Why are you relating an unproven ideology to the steps of life? Its "life" not "post-life". Get it? Good.
Okay. And your ideology is proven?

You're hinting that everyone's existence ends with death. And the belief of what happens after life influences the way we live and often how soon we die. The very definition of life is disputable. Most religions treat the 'after life' as a continuation of life in another form. That, and a vast portion of the world would disagree with you if you said that life ends with death, even if it technically is 'post-life.'
Sure, but you just stop to smell the roses for a little bit. Then keep going where you're going. Change is inevitable, resistance is optional.
Of course change is inevitable. But it isn't like someone comes in and changes life for you. That one changes is incontrovertible. How one changes is up to them.
Does that mean you then? Unless of course you'd like to fall into one of your quagmires of irregularity, like working till death, Not going to school, or anything else.
Of course, this all means me. It relates to all of us, all of us being humanity. I plan to go to school and work a job that I rather enjoy doing. However, I plan to enjoy every second of it. The general encompassing idea is preparing. But that doesn't mean you're aware of preparing every second of preparing. You can still have a nice conversation with someone you love while you're preparing, or do all the small things that make life enjoyable.
And by no means is that my point. You seem to take it that my point is extremely pessimistic; That our lives follow a set chain of events, when really its not.
And If you want to try to take advantage of me being in an argument with someone else to "stick it to the man", please, please do a better job.
Sure, but you just stop to smell the roses for a little bit.
Hmm. I defined something as a good, pleasurable, enjoyable metaphor. You defined it as short-lived, finite, and otherwise soon-to-end. I see the good in life...you see the bad in the good. There's no denying that's pessimistic.

Wow. That was long. (Both Neverender and Napalm)

And necessary.

It's actually Warren G Harding, Bush isn't done yet. I am not fit for this office and never should have been here.
Everyone loses.

At least he can admit he sucks.

Yeah, should be. Seeing as how this argument will probably remain strictly onpersonalmoralsohwait you already changed that with your sixth-dimension remark didn't you?You can...not run 5 words together, that happen to actually be part of 2 different clauses.

No shit. I'm using it now and I've obviously used it before. It just wasn't worth my trouble. I was too busy wanting to get back to enjoying my life and focusing on how I'm not currently doing anything to prepare for the next step.I like this. This actually gives you hope that I'll respond, since I don't have to sift through paragraphs and paragraphs of useless information. And yes, you should go do your homework.

What makes you think we fit your flow chart exactly? That we've already gone to preschool, middle school and high school? So the fact that we're going to go to college, work, retire, and die is absolutely imminent?Of course. Are you saying that you don't. If so, please elaborate.

And exactly how does debating this thread reinforce your point? You put nothing in your stupid little cycle about how debating in threads contributes to becoming a victim to your cycle.The cycle really has nothing to do with any of my points. It was simply a response to Led's. Led's point was that kids just need to dick off when they're minors, and stay away from politics. Here you are arguing, taking life seriously. Get it?

And with that, I ask, what point?And exactly how does debating this thread reinforce your point?This one. The one you acknowledged two sentences ago. Or did that slip your mind.

That which hasn't been established? The point you were arguing with Led Zeppelin that has little to do with this? Or the point that you said to Drunken Shinobi "I've let this one go"?I would have hoped you could have figured it out.

I know words are hard for you, and you like to read as little as possible, but reading just a little extra is only going to help you.Not usually, but when they look like this:
No. There's no way an F1 car can run on 87 octane. The fuel compressor in the McClaren F1 has to have a much higher compression level.It becomes a bit of an issue.

Not true. The end of your life is not determined until that moment which it ends, and even if I'm wrong about that, nobody can possibly have any more than a theory.Sure it is. Do you not know what a line is? Its rather straight, and travels an infinite distance along a one-dimentional path. You're just along for the ride. Get used to it.

Time is intangible. All we have are formulas and calculations that speculate how time might or might not function. But how far can that take us? To the end of human understanding, maybe? Time encompasses everything. Our attempts to understand it is just like attempting to understand God.Just stop pretending you know about time. What do you think quantum physicists do all day? Piss themselves in awe of the inability to understand time? Time is portrayed accurately even by Newtonian Physics, which was pioneered in the 1500's. thats over 500 years ago. Think we've made any advancements since then? Albert Einstein's E=MC^2 is a DIRECT relation between time and space. Don't ever say anything is intangible.

Yes I can and yes it is, although your little example there wasn't what I was trying to say at all. I can state that it isn't true that ALL PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW A SET PATH because there are many people that won't. So yeah, life is what you make it. A person's life takes the path it takes because of the decisions the person makes. You can't possibly say that a person isn't in control of their own life. No person, no tangible force, is capable of knowing what decisions we will make and when and how it will affect our life, other than that we make decisions based on previous experience.This is getting way too philosophical. You need to tone it WAY down.

You learn the foundation of everything you will ever know before you're 11/12. Thats the age most children enter middle school. And no, its no the foundation of everything you will ever know. It's how you think and why you think that way. Get it right.

Anything you learn after the age of 11/12 is only building on what you have already learned. Thank you, captain obvious.

About half, a little less, maybe, of that foundation is built before you start any kind of school.Says you?

Without those years, you would be a babbling fucking idiot for the rest of your life.How so. You go to school to learn how to not be a "babbling fucking idiot". I don't think you're parents teach you that, unless of course, you're home schooled.


So even if they aren't THE most important, I'd say they were pretty damn significant.Good for you.

Okay. And your ideology is proven?No

You're hinting that everyone's existence ends with death.Yup.

And the belief of what happens after life influences the way we live and often how soon we die.Waiting for the punch line...

The very definition of life is disputable.Not really. This is just another neverism.

Most religions treat the 'after life' as a continuation of life in another form. That, and a vast portion of the world would disagree with you if you said that life ends with death, even if it technically is 'post-life.' But thats only most religions, what about the ones that don't?


Of course change is inevitable. But it isn't like someone comes in and changes life for you. That one changes is incontrovertible. How one changes is up to them.Not if you understand science.

Hmm. I defined something as a good, pleasurable, enjoyable metaphor. You defined it as short-lived, finite, and otherwise soon-to-end. I see the good in life...you see the bad in the good. There's no denying that's pessimistic.A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of reality. The world is a grim place. Get used to it.

This is the ultimate debate thread now? Great...oh well, then we'll leave it at that I guess, and if it's going to remain that way then you might have to sticky it...of course I'm just making a small suggestion here. We can leave it at the "ultimate debate thread" and let it die eventually by closing or well...the lack of posting. Oh yes and what would make it an ultimate debate thread is if you could remove the poll.

I can't remove the poll unless I'm an administrator. (I "own" my own copy of vBulletin, so I know)

How about the person who started the thread? Can he remove the thread? Of course...you could still sticky this, I'd like to see how it will turn out.

The poll. And I don't think the person who started it can remove it either. It's kind of weird.

How did my thread become the Ultimate Debate Thread?

shit happens.

Now its time for some shitty 7-minute long video with crappy synth music.

In China, the most spoken language


is Chinese

shit happens.
Indeed.
Now its time for some shitty 7-minute long video with crappy synth music.
In China, the most spoken language
is Chinese
No way!! I object!!

Now its time for some shitty 7-minute long video with crappy synth music.
In China, the most spoken language
is Chinese

bULLSHIT!!

Then say that next time. Thank You

401K's are based in the S&P 500....

......And whats this "Equipment" that is in Iraq that could help, please let me know.
Hmm....

Firstly, check your link. It's broken. Secondly, I'd like everyone to take a second to laugh at that................ Good.

Now let's correct a couple things.
1), the rate of increase has dropped since the end of the Clinton era. And even though there is still growth, cases of people losing theirs is on the increase (what I said in the first place). The reason it isn't greatly reflected is because the increase in 401k you are so willing to push in my face greatly cushions any effect it would have on reports.
2) You're kidding about the Kuwait/ Saudi Arabia thing right? Bush could never get the congress of such an oil hungry country to agree to attack such oil heavyweights. And Dubai has also become the shipping capital of the world, not to mention it's quickly becoming a huge tourist market. That'd be like attacking England (They're terrorists there too)

3) As for the Superdome, you wouldn't need all that if you were better equipped to evacuate people, like say if you had the AAV-7A1s presently in Iraq, or the 1100 too-old-to-use but not quite decommissioned LVT-5s, and the extra manpower...

I dunno. Maybe I'm talking out of my butt. But they are ample valid reasons for this man to be considered one of the WORST Presidents ever. Evar. I'm just not the one to bring 'em to your attention. I mean lets face it, I haven't lived in the States for 5 years.

Firstly, check your link. It's broken. Secondly, I'd like everyone to take a second to laugh at that................ Good.That my link is broken? Amazing.

http://i5.tinypic.com/5xsfwpd.png
Last 5 years S&P 500 index. Happy now?
Or do you want another "group laughter". In which case I think you'll be having some problems, since theres only around 20 members that post, even less that read this thread. So I suppose you can laugh yourself. Not that I care.

Now let's correct a couple things.Sure kido.


the rate of increase has dropped since the end of the Clinton era.Increase of what? Teen pregnancy? Population? the will to live? If you are talking about the "rate" of the S&P500, you're probably wrong. Unless of course, you can prove your point(I already have), which is very unlikely.

And even though there is still growth, cases of people losing theirs is on the increase (what I said in the first place). The reason it isn't greatly reflected is because the increase in 401k you are so willing to push in my face greatly cushions any effect it would have on reports.The Conservatives seem to have this idea, that money earned is money kept.

If I worked hard in school, worked my ass off in college, went to med school, became a brain surgeon, and make $500,000 a year, and now my government wants me to pay for a store clerk's retirement? Who did poorly in school, didn't care, dropped out of college, and didn't accomplish anything in life?

Or to pay for a bum to get a check every week from the government so he can buy more alcohol?

Thats the ideology up for debate here.

You're kidding about the Kuwait/ Saudi Arabia thing right?Yes, I was completely kidding, I don't know what I was thinking posting that! NO! I'm not fucking kidding. Lets see what thee has to say about it.

Bush could never get the congress of such an oil hungry country to agree to attack such oil heavyweights.He got them to declare war on Iraq didn't he? Because they were "harboring terrorists". You honestly don't think that they could create such ha story if they wanted to? If Bush "Lied and deceived the American people and congress" about the situation in Iraq, and they believed him. Whats making you think you couldn't take over OPEC? Please tell me.

And Dubai has also become the shipping capital of the world, not to mention it's quickly becoming a huge tourist market. That'd be like attacking England (They're terrorists there too)No, it would not be like attacking england, seeing as that they are an ally, have nothing that we need, and is geographically impossible to invade. Go figure.

And by "terrorists" in England, I assume you mean either the bus-bomb attacks, which have nothing to do with this discussion. Or the IRA, of which activity has almost ceased in the last 10 years, who also have nothing to do with this discussion.

As for the Superdome, you wouldn't need all that if you were better equipped to evacuate people, like say if you had the AAV-7A1s presently in Iraq, or the 1100 too-old-to-use but not quite decommissioned LVT-5s, and the extra manpower..."You must be joking" Using anphibius assault vehicles to move people away from an evac zone, where many cannot leave due to medical reasons. And theres over 400,000 people? the AAV isn't a rescue vehicle you idiot.

Not to mention these "rescue vehicles" you speak of wouldn't even be CLOSE to New Orleans. In fact. There are barely any in Iraq. Surprisingly enough, in a desert, theres not that many places to perform an amphibious assault. And yes, before you try to "outsmart" be by looking up on Wikipedia and seeing "Hey!!! It canz operatez on LAND Tooz!!". Not really. The armed forces rely on land based APC's like the Bradley.


I dunno. Maybe I'm talking out of my butt.A little bit of a combo between wikipedia, and your ass, yes.

But they are ample valid reasons for this man to be considered one of the WORST Presidents ever.I really don't think so. Theres a lot of negative press about him. But I really just don't see many things that you can pin on him. Please, explain further, I'de like to see what you have to say. Gprime is boring without arguments.

Evar. I'm just not the one to bring 'em to your attention. I mean lets face it, I haven't lived in the States for 5 years.You're an immigrant, based on your arguments, I can place you EXACTLY in your demographic.

How can he know if Bush is the worst president? Oh, so now if you live here for five years, you're automatically an expert of the United States Presidents?

How can he know if Bush is the worst president? Oh, so now if you live here for five years, you're automatically an expert of the United States Presidents?
OBVIOUSLY DUH! Use your head Willy!

I'm not saying that he's not, but I just dont like people who credit themselves as automatically being experts.

To Mr Napalm: Jog your memory a bit. He didn't convince congress they were harboring terrorists, at least that was not his reason for invading. It went something like this

First he convinced them they had WMDs. The UN investigated, said they have the chemical weapons pops gave 'em, but not nukes.

Bush said bullocks, you're the same people that believe we only have 45 foreign interrogation prisons. We're going in and stopping their operation (P.S. Dibs on anything we find)

So we ran in, looked around, couldn't find a thing. Finally, in an attempt to wipe the egg off his face, Bush went " Uhhh.... Sadam's responsible for 9/11! Get him!!!" And we all jumped on that train for a while, till the blood rushed back to our heads. But before anyone could turn their attention back to him, George Walker strait cut everyone off with "Well we're already there, and he is a dictator, might as well take 'em out"

It was after all that when he got on that democracy hogwash and ran with it.


To Willy Wonka: Dyslexia is a serious problem in the US isn't it? I said I haven't lived in the States for 5 years. But I'm a US citizen. I was born and raised in New York. I have valid a passport and an official residence. It's just I haven't live in the States for a full 3 months at any time since '02. I live with my mom and most of her work is done in the Caribbean. I've been living in Barbados for about 1 1/2 years give or take. But I still follow US politics, I still get the same CNN, and (surprise, surprise) I have Internet. And in a few months I'll be eligible to vote as an American citizen living abroad. And I never said I was an expert at anything. Pinhead (I'm bringing that word back, so suck it).

Well, the way I read it was

"I havent lived in the states for 5 years"

meaning to me:

"I've lived in the 'states barely five years"

kdewsh?

ok i read this entire page.
can i have the candy now?

hey did you know many politicians like to use buzzwords and doublespeak in order to instill a sense of false knowledge and trust upon their constituents? the current administration does this very well, but due to the liberal media sway many U.S. citizens now see through its veil of recycled jargon; consequently there are a large number of people with opinions and the willingness to argue them, despite not knowing the levity of what they speak (which is a direct result of the information oversights and glaring biases of mass media)

p.s. what are we talking about

p.p.s. I don't think I said anything relevant to the thread but that's ok
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And hey just fyi I null voted because our two worst presidents were James Buchanan and Rutherford B. Hayes, they did jack shit. Oh and Warren Harding because he was a cocksmoker. And William Taft because he got stuck in a bathtub.

To Mr Napalm: Jog your memory a bit. He didn't convince congress they were harboring terrorists, at least that was not his reason for invading. It went something like this

First he convinced them they had WMDs. The UN investigated, said they have the chemical weapons pops gave 'em, but not nukes.Weapon of mass destruction (WMD) are weapons which can kill large numbers of human beings, animals and plants. The term covers several weapon types, including nuclear, biological, chemical and, increasingly, radiological weapons.He had no nukes in the first place. Did Bush say he did? Of course not. Chemical and Biological weapons have a surprising lethality.

Bush said bullocks, you're the same people that believe we only have 45 foreign interrogation prisons. We're going in and stopping their operation (P.S. Dibs on anything we find)PS: We don't have "interrogation prisons" you idiot. The closest thing to an "interrogation prison" you might say is the US naval base in Guantanamo. The United States has interrogated many suspects. In fact, its part of the justice system. As per Article I section 8, clause 18, the necessary and proper clause allows the legislative branch to stretch its powers. In the case of the courts, it stresses its power under article 3 section 2.(no, I didn't have those memorized)

So we ran in, looked around, couldn't find a thing. Finally, in an attempt to wipe the egg off his face, Bush went " Uhhh.... Sadam's responsible for 9/11! Get him!!!"No, he didn't.


And we all jumped on that train for a while, till the blood rushed back to our heads.I can see it hasn't came back to yours.

But before anyone could turn their attention back to him, George Walker strait cut everyone off with "Well we're already there, and he is a dictator, might as well take 'em out"Actually, that was the original plan idiot.


Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, including interference with weapons inspectors.
Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region."
Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population."
Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people"
Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War. -
Members of al-Qaeda were "known to be in Iraq."
Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations.
The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight the 9/11 terrorists and those who aided or harbored them.
The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism
Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement.Yes, thats the LAW that says we get to stay there.

It was after all that when he got on that democracy hogwash and ran with it.An ally in the middle east? Nonsense! We have NO use for an ally in the middle east. When our Jewish friends in Israel start getting hit with "nukes". Just sit and watch the fireworks I guess.

To Willy Wonka: Dyslexia is a serious problem in the US isn't it? I said I haven't lived in the States for 5 years. But I'm a US citizen. I was born and raised in New York. I have valid a passport and an official residence.Actually,
I mean lets face it, I haven't lived in the States for 5 years.That makes perfect sense when talking about leaving the states, or coming to them. Willy_wonka has a valid basis for thinking you just came to the states. If you're going to call someone lysdexic, please, don't. For your own reputation.

It's just I haven't live in the States for a full 3 months at any time since '02. I live with my mom and most of her work is done in the Caribbean. I've been living in Barbados for about 1 1/2 years give or take. But I still follow US politicsYou should stick to Barbados politics.

I still get the same CNN, and (surprise, surprise) I have Internet.And I assume you've read every single conspiracy there is to know and believe all of them.

And in a few months I'll be eligible to vote as an American citizen living abroad. Please, don't vote. For the good of our great country.And I never said I was an expert at anything. Pinhead (I'm bringing that word back, so suck it).I'm a Pinhead

Sorry for the insults, but this is a "debating" forum. Not a "Let's see what I can pull out of my ass" forum.

I can think of many ways to criticize the president, But you haven't hit any of them.

due to the now nonsensical nature of this thread, I'm going to pull a Ryu-Nacho and kill it.

If you want to continue, please make a new thread and attempt to cite your sources, not your asshole.

Thank You.

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