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Bring back Clinton!

I never thought I'd be saying this, but I like Hilary better than OBama. Have you seen him in debates? Whenever he's asked a relevant question instead of actually answering it, he just goes completely off topic and talks about something politically correct or heart-warming... to fill up his 60 seconds of answering time. Though Hilary is also noticeably P.C... it's not to his extent. Generally, she will express her whole (sugar-coated but still clear) opinion without care as to what people think.... during debates anyway.

That's because she knows people are going to vote for her.

I'm for the Centrist party, whoever their candidate is going to be, but we might just have to wait and see.

I don't know about you, but having Hilary be our first female president, and all the surrounding ramifications, has kind of made me shrink away from her campaign. It wouldn't be so bad if she wasn't Hilary Clinton...

I don't really understand why everyone's so stoked about the next president being either black or female. It will happen when it happens. People shouldn't vote for Hilary just because she's going to be a woman president and people shouldn't vote for Obama just because he's a black dude, although the latter seems a lot more reasonable, because it would be a milestone in African-American history, and all that. People should vote for a president they think is best fit to lead this country, but presidential candidates rely on who they are in relation to appealing to demographics to win a campaign.

Precisely. In not so many words.

I don't think I'm gonna vote.

I wouldn't advise that. Not voting automatically makes any further input of yours irrelevant. Unless you're too young to vote (you are aren't you...? you're seventeen... or did they change the law or something).

Something that my brother brought up a few days ago is how irritated he is that the only people anyone's focusing on are Obama and Hilary. They're both Democrats... so it's not like they would be able to run against each other in the end. And why aren;t we focusing on the other candidates in other parties?

Haha. Because other candidates aren't infusing us with their propagandaImean advertising yet. I figure I might as well go vote when I'm of age. I'm going to have to go register anyway unless I want to go to a federal prison. It's a good thing a Democrat's going to win office. That way I won't have to hear all this crap from my mom about not registering because there might be a draft. Democrats don't do war.

If the United States started a draft, I'd just move out of the country.

I'll be 18 by the time the election comes. It's just that I've always considered myself Republican/conservative whatever, but at the same time there are some things about Republicans that really piss me off. At this point I feel half one way and half the other.
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If the United States started a draft, I'd just move out of the country.
Just say you're homosexual

If the United States started a draft, I'd just move out of the country.
Yeah good one. Too bad you'll be arrested if you come back.

I'll be 18 by the time the election comes. It's just that I've always considered myself Republican/conservative whatever, but at the same time there are some things about Republicans that really piss me off. At this point I feel half one way and half the other.l
So you're a centrist.

Centrists are only as good as their candidate. And right now, we're looking at either Stephen Colbert, Ralph Nader, or a bunch of really old washed up, ex-third-party candidates. I'm all for what they stand for, but a lot relies on the values of the candidate.

How do new parties get made? Like say a pro gay marriage, green lifestyle, everybody friendly party.

Ah... you mean the Utopian party.

AKA Hippie party

Heyyy. I don't expect everything to be perfect...I just want to help it get better. Plus, Utopia is never actually so.

Nobody would vote for a party like that because those are the kinds of people who want to shut down huge snowballing corporations and want to run the country on the basis of 'truth', as well as funnel all our money into the environment.

I'm not sure what part I would belong to... though in spite of me I think it's Republican (not that I like Democrats all that much either). Whenever this person I know says ignorant stupid crap about Republican politicians I get all defensive and tense. Yet it's not as apparent when he does so to Democrats... partially because he never talks about them. He's become one of those "Regan = Teh Devil" "Bush iz worst Prezidint evrr" types of people. It really pisses me off too, because he doesn't even know why he hates the people he hates. He only hates them cause he spends all his time going to stupid internet forums filled with idiots who hate any and all people in office... for absolutely no reason.

I tend not to listen to the person, but what it is they are saying. Though obviously many of them are going to lie to get into office but in a way you can tell if they are telling the truth or not.

I have a big penis.

the happy smiley teddy bear hugs party of love :)

The only thing that I hate is a lack of productivity. If someone gets into offices and doesn't do shit about anything except a particularly large glob of snot in his nose, that bothers me. But if someone, like Roosevelt, Clinton, or Regan, gets into office and starts making overall improvements and their 'sacrifices' are understandable and low in relation to their accomplishments, then I can find it in me to not call them an incompetent idiot. The only difference between democrats and republicans is that certain priorities of democrats are higher on the list and some of those of republicans, and vice-versa.

Nobody would vote for a party like that because those are the kinds of people who want to shut down huge snowballing corporations and want to run the country on the basis of 'truth', as well as funnel all our money into the environment.
I guess I didn't present myself correctly. I didn't mean that kind of party. I wouldn't want to use all the money for the enviroment. I would use some for education in other countries, as well as hunger...and also to help oddball companies no one's ever heard of to get on their feet. Or something. And what do you mean "truth"? Do you mean what "we" think of as truth? To me truth is truth. I don't see pushing my views on someone as truth. Though, that's what parties tend to do I wouldn't. Ahh... I'm babbling.

I guess I didn't present myself correctly. I didn't mean that kind of party. I wouldn't want to use all the money for the enviroment. I would use some for education in other countries, as well as hunger...and also to help oddball companies no one's ever heard of to get on their feet. Or something. And what do you mean "truth"? Do you mean what "we" think of as truth? To me truth is truth. I don't see pushing my views on someone as truth. Though, that's what parties tend to do I wouldn't. Ahh... I'm babbling.
The problem is we have a lot more crap happening in our own country that we are not even solving and yet we go to other countries and help the out for reasons that we need to fix in our own. It's just going to other countries, in my opinion, is just to create alliances and that may be benificial in some form or another but we must solve our own problems first.

I guess I didn't present myself correctly. I didn't mean that kind of party. I wouldn't want to use all the money for the enviroment. I would use some for education in other countries, as well as hunger...and also to help oddball companies no one's ever heard of to get on their feet. Or something. And what do you mean "truth"? Do you mean what "we" think of as truth? To me truth is truth. I don't see pushing my views on someone as truth. Though, that's what parties tend to do I wouldn't. Ahh... I'm babbling.

but what is truth?
its not easy to find..
we both have truths.
are yours the name as mine?

*crucify him crucify him*
/musical.....

Hmm. Truth is...an opinion, really.

Charles: Yes, that's true. I've gotta stop saying what I want to do though...because I always forget pieces and that just leads to more "buts". I know perfectly well we have our own problems. And that's a lot of what I'm all about...is telling those who are interested (not just going up to random strangers saying SUPPORT MY CAUSE!!) all the things we as a society do that hurt our land and economy...and little things to do that can help.

No women presidents. They are just to hormonal. I really don't mean to be sexist, but I mean come on, lets be honest. Chicks are crazy when they are on their period.

wow that was really sexist.....

So the veep would take over for about 4 days per month?

No women presidents. They are just to hormonal. I really don't mean to be sexist, but I mean come on, lets be honest. Chicks are crazy when they are on their period.
Men are just as nuts WITHOUT their periods, and, unlike women, are completely in control of their emotions and actions 100% of the time...

I guess I didn't present myself correctly. I didn't mean that kind of party. I wouldn't want to use all the money for the enviroment. I would use some for education in other countries, as well as hunger...and also to help oddball companies no one's ever heard of to get on their feet. Or something. And what do you mean "truth"? Do you mean what "we" think of as truth? To me truth is truth. I don't see pushing my views on someone as truth. Though, that's what parties tend to do I wouldn't. Ahh... I'm babbling.
I mean, nobody would vote for a party that didn't have strict economic goals and stuff like that. Not very many people (at least not Americans) support those sorts of values in politics.
No women presidents. They are just to hormonal. I really don't mean to be sexist, but I mean come on, lets be honest. Chicks are crazy when they are on their period.
I remember my friend made a comment like that to my English teacher like that, but he said it with good humor. He said with a woman president, we would declare war once a month, every month. My teacher just laughed it off, but seriously. To say that and actually mean it is a little too much. Not all girls are too bad when they're on their period. Maybe a little unstable sometimes, but usually controlled. Relative to the stereotype, that is.
Men are just as nuts WITHOUT their periods, and, unlike women, are completely in control of their emotions and actions 100% of the time...
Having said what I did in the previous post, this may seem a little contradictory, but don't even say that women are in control of their emotions 100% of the time. Men aren't usually unstable or uncontrollable, they're just dishonest, sometimes arrogant, and sometimes make stupid decisions on unreliable basis. But fifteen year old females from my experience are rarely in control of their emotions and actions. Teenage girls are catty, mean, manipulative, melodramatic, and sometimes just downright evil, and almost always extremists, when it comes to competition or victory. For anything, and they regularly break down and cry/get way too mad over things that just about anyone would consider petty and unimportant. teenage females do a little better with morals than men,

Man you guys take a single comment way to seriously. I'm just not sure I want a woman president because my girlfriend, and really all women in my experience go crazy when they are on their period. My girlfriend has dumped me four times in the last 6 months, every time over nothing during her period. So excuse me for having an oppinion that may be slightly sexist.

Really? My girlfriend just cries a lot. I actually set aside a portion of my allowance each month for flowers.

Neverender., I didn't say women are in control of their emotions 100% of the time. I directed that towards men... :P I guess I could have worded that a little differently.
Man you guys take a single comment way to seriously. I'm just not sure I want a woman president because my girlfriend, and really all women in my experience go crazy when they are on their period. My girlfriend has dumped me four times in the last 6 months, every time over nothing during her period. So excuse me for having an oppinion that may be slightly sexist.
*sigh*

The day you get a period you'll understand... and then come to the realization that you're going to experience that same thing every single month for approximately the next 40 or so years of your life. :P

And maybe you just haven't hung around with very many girls... because generally you shouldn't even be able to tell they're on their period. Aside from maybe crying, like Neverender. said.

Also, I wouldn't suggest talking about your girlfriend like that to a group of strangers on the internet either. If you hate the girl so much then you dump her for once.

God NickyChris you seriously need medication. So heres my reply to a crazy woman.

A.) I'm never getting a period, lucky for me, I have a cock.
B.) I hang out with plenty of chicks, and about fifty percent of them are obviously more bitchy and whiny then usual during their period. The other fifty percent, are frickin crazy.
C.) Don't suggest things to me, I couldn't care less about your opinion.
D.) I don't hate me girlfriend, I love her. I wasn't berating her, I was just giving an example of crazy chicks. If I didn't want to be with her I wouldn't have taken her back after she dumped me.

You don't make sense...

Answer to A.) Obviously you're not ever going to experience having a period.

Answer to B.) If they're so crazy why hang out with them? Unless you have some sort of special bond with them or something.

Answer to C.) That's nice.

Answer to D.) Yes, you were berating her. We didn't need to know that about her. That's none of our business, and if she found out you said that to us she'd probably dump you again.

Yeah, Gabby, I would call you a hypocrite of sorts and fool in the way you speak, but I realize you already know it.

You don't make sense...
Answer to A.) Obviously you're not ever going to experience having a period.
Answer to B.) If they're so crazy why hang out with them? Unless you have some sort of special bond with them or something.
Answer to C.) That's nice.
Answer to D.) Yes, you were berating her. We didn't need to know that about her. That's none of our business, and if she found out you said that to us she'd probably dump you again.

God, you're an assumptious bitch. My girlfriend wouldn't give a shit if she knew I was talking about her on the internet. Its hardly a secret.

i propose we stop talking about this.
when gabby's (supposed) girlfriend sees it and dumps him causing him to come back and wonder what the fuck he did wrong, then we can highlight this thread. until then, there really is no way to show gabby what he is doing......

we learn from our mistakes......

Btw, i just realized that my initials are SMP, PMS spelled backwards. Now i feel special. 'cause I'm a guy.

The reason you guys think ALL women are "bitchy, whiny, manipulative, melodramatic" is because 95% of the females you know personally are 15 year old girls, and we all know that 15 year old girls are IDIOTS. We can also agree that all 15 year old guys are idiots. But trust me people like Hilary Clinton, Condi-whatever Rice, and other women don't get into their well-respected positions through bitching and moaning once a month, and you know that. It's a little immature to say that ALL females are unfit for leadership just because the small fraction of females you actually know are so obviously unfit. Not just any ordinary woman can be a good president, but not just any ordinary man can be a good one either.

I actually agree with you there.... 15 was a pretty messed-up year for me. I'm just waiting for it to be over.

I live overseas, but I'm still a US citizen, so I'm still voting, come November 2008. But honestly, I hate US politics. Especially these days. I mean, don't you find it funny that electing a corrupt official isn't even the real threat anymore, it's electing a dumb one...

The reason you guys think ALL women are "bitchy, whiny, manipulative, melodramatic" is because 95% of the females you know personally are 15 year old girls, and we all know that 15 year old girls are IDIOTS. We can also agree that all 15 year old guys are idiots. But trust me people like Hilary Clinton, Condi-whatever Rice, and other women don't get into their well-respected positions through bitching and moaning once a month, and you know that. It's a little immature to say that ALL females are unfit for leadership just because the small fraction of females you actually know are so obviously unfit. Not just any ordinary woman can be a good president, but not just any ordinary man can be a good one either.
Very valid. I reissue my earlier statement to comply with the suggestion that not all women are fifteen years old (for the record, my girlfriend is sixteen). Fifteen year old girls in general are as I mentioned earlier.

1.) My girlfriend is 17
2.) She won't give a shit if and when she sees it
3.) I like to act sexist, I'm not actually, but I find it fun to act with preditermined opinions in certain cases, as with Hilary Clinton, who I hate regardless of gender

You sound like one of the most...oddly opinionated, and just odd, couples.

I don't like Hilary Clinton either. She's one of those that believes that video games are the problem with today's youth.

Haha, 15 was my worst year as well

I live overseas, but I'm still a US citizen, so I'm still voting, come November 2008. But honestly, I hate US politics. Especially these days. I mean, don't you find it funny that electing a corrupt official isn't even the real threat anymore, it's electing a dumb one...I wholeheartedly agree. To raitonalize the situation, I'd have to say that its merely evolved into a bunch of rednecks, buisness owners, tree huggers, hippies, and furries, duking it out to find out which one is the dumbest politically.

That's cause the really smart capable ones know how much they have to sacrifice (their children's normal lives, their own reputation, their families' reputation, their families' privacy, and often their physical life itself), and they don't feel it worth it.

I would personally never go into politics myself... it would be too costly.

Not to mention the fact that it works like high school cliques. All the popular kids teaming up with one another helping each other become the next prom queen... >_< Taking turns as each one passes down their throne to the next person in line.

Should America even have a Democracy anymore?

There is no country that has a true Democracy. Sure the people get to vote for their leader, but do they get to decide whether their leader launches 20 000 soldiers into Iraq or not? No.

That's cause the really smart capable ones know how much they have to sacrifice (their children's normal lives, their own reputation, their families' reputation, their families' privacy, and often their physical life itself), and they don't feel it worth it.
I would personally never go into politics myself... it would be too costly.
Not to mention the fact that it works like high school cliques. All the popular kids teaming up with one another helping each other become the next prom queen... >_< Taking turns as each one passes down their throne to the next person in line.
Should America even have a Democracy anymore?

What other form of government would you suggest?

Complete f'ing anarchy.

What other form of government would you suggest?
I... honestly don't know.
There is no country that has a true Democracy. Sure the people get to vote for their leader, but do they get to decide whether their leader launches 20 000 soldiers into Iraq or not? No.
I suppose it's really Congress that's in control of everything.

There is no country that has a true Democracy. Sure the people get to vote for their leader, but do they get to decide whether their leader launches 20 000 soldiers into Iraq or not? No.Funny thing, under a democracy, the people don't have control over politics, only the politicians. Thats one of the main principals. Nice try.

The united states not not an egalitarianistic country, nor are any countries that have democracy.

Haha, 15 was my worst year as well
15 hasn't been a bad year. So far. I've only been 15 for two months or so.
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What other form of government would you suggest?
Direct democracy. Not a democratic republic, but a complete democracy.

15 hasn't been a bad year. So far. I've only been 15 for two months or so.

Lawl... you're in for a ride buddy. Trust me.

It's too early for me to care about the upcoming election. Chances are either Hillary or Barack are going to be the Democratic candidates but I have no idea about the republicans. Anywho I hate most politicians wholeheartedly so unless someone comes along who's completely honest and thinks about things before acting I could care less.

Lawl... you're in for a ride buddy. Trust me.
i'm about halfway through my fifteen (ness?) and it hasn't been all that bad (sure there were bad times, but there have been worse times in every other year....)

It's too early for me to care about the upcoming election. Chances are either Hillary or Barack are going to be the Democratic candidates but I have no idea about the republicans. Anywho I hate most politicians wholeheartedly so unless someone comes along who's completely honest and thinks about things before acting I could care less.
It's a waste of time to hate people in power. Disagreement is one thing... but downright hatred I find to be ludicrous.

Lawl... you're in for a ride buddy. Trust me.
Hmm. Thanks a lot. Now go finish your half-empty glass.xD
It's too early for me to care about the upcoming election. Chances are either Hillary or Barack are going to be the Democratic candidates but I have no idea about the republicans. Anywho I hate most politicians wholeheartedly so unless someone comes along who's completely honest and thinks about things before acting I could care less.
Politicians tend to lose sense of humanity. I just want a guy in office (or a woman I guess) who can admit his mistakes and isn't a complete square. In other words, I would like a presidential candidate who can relate to other Americans.

Ha! Like that'll ever happen.
Hmm. Thanks a lot. Now go finish your half-empty glass.xD

*sip*

Though really, 15 is what you make it. Like any other year.... except 13. When everybody hates you.

It's a waste of time to hate people in power. Disagreement is one thing... but downright hatred I find to be ludicrous.

How so? I'd like to say that they're nice people but I hate all of them. Actually I don't mind Hillary Clinton except for the "I keep video games away from children" thing.

Concurred. That whole video game regime pisses me off. And it hasn't even started yet.

Hmm. Thanks a lot. Now go finish your half-empty glass.xD
What are you talking about, the glass is ALWAYS full. :P

You mean always half-full?

This is politics.

http://www.youtube.com/v/zUCP_MGrx0k&NR=1

....Mony Python style.

You forgot your T, pal.

Oh whoops...MonTy Python then.

classics......
ill never get tired of the good old monty python...

RON PAUL 2008!!!!!!!!
Really though, it's been 3 pages, yet we haven't seen the
inevitable Ron Paul cheerleader who thinks that everyone who doesn't love him is a brainwashed sheep. Really, though I like his integrity, I am just not a fan of some of his policies, like the fact that he is pro free trade.


Direct democracy. Not a democratic republic, but a complete democracy.

The population of the United States is 300 million. There's simply too many voices.

If I could vote (I would be 17 on Election Day, 2008), I would shy away from the Republican canidates. Both parties are trying to appeal to their bases at this point, but the Republicans are doing it more blatantly. They shy away from Bush and try to be like him at the same time. I would most likely vote for Mike Gravel.

Ron Paul. I don't know anything about that guy, only that he's not about to become the next US president.

I too am pro Ron Paul...

Hilary Clinton was a phase for me... XP

I wish stupidity was illegal.

We'd all be in jail you know...

Not me. No bars can hold me.

Yes they can.

Nope.

you have hereby been imprisoned

OMG! Guess what? I'm free bitches!

no you're not

Nope.
Okay. We'll throw you in a federal prison behind bars where the facility is encircled by an electric fence and you have no contact to the outside world. Yes, that will hold you. I promise.

But, wait. What is this? I am mooning you all from outside the jail! OMG!

But the bars can still hold you.

Nope. They have no hands. And even if they did, I would still slip out.

wow, Haven't looked at this thread in a while. locked.