This is obviously a much needed arguement, maybe it shouldda gone under debate, but w/e. So ninja lovers, throw out your ideas for why ninjas are better, and we pirates will shoot them down. Just like we would any ninja attackers. Pirates rule, ninjas drool! Wootang!

We've been through this already and you obviously know that I support the ninjas. These discussions get very ridiculous and stupid as we go along too. I'd rather not argue about the whole issue, this thread should just be closed now.

why must pirates and ninjas always be fighting each other..../
if we were to unite our forces, we could rule THE WORLD!!!

I, as an independent party, win this contest.I'm the mafia, bitchz!

Ninjas are sword to celibacy, Pirates are not in fact they are encouraged to sleep with as many women as possible and they have hot pirate chicks like Kiera Knightly therefore Pirates win.

sword to celibacy?

That means we fight well and not have sex. Of course that's not true for the female ninjas, in fact the females ninjas are supposed to use their hotness to seduce their targets in order to get information from them or kill them. Females ninjas are ninjas and therefore the whole celibacy thing doesn't really apply to ninjas. Only male ninjas I think...

After watching At World's End, I now think Pirates are better.

Damn the pirates and their popular movie propaganda. We need to get Jerry Bruckheimer to direct ninja movies now. Anyways...I didn't think the third Pirates was that great...the previous two were better. It still doesn't change my interest in pirates...however I do give them a bit more respect because of the movies.

the first pirates movie can be summed up in about one word
"YARR" it was really just a huge pirate gimmick!

the second was alright but the ending reeked of a dead frog.....

i have yet to see the third so i shant pass judgment just yet.

Pirates Vs Ninjas lemme think, im with Neverender GO NADER!

I don't know about you guys, but the show Samurai Jack used to be one of my favorites EVER, so I'm going to say that neither pirates or ninjas are better.Betcha thought I was gonna say ninjas and samurais are the same thing didn't yall?

I'm going to take a logical standpoint on this one

Pirates, while relatively untrained, have hundreds of hears of technology on their side. Firearm's, gunpowder, and not to mention pirates know how to use a sword.

Ninja's on the other hand, are placing all their money on their disipline and skill with a sword. Once the pirate fires his single-shot pistol, the advantage swings in the ninjas favor.

this of course is assuming that we're dealing with pirates of the 18th century. Pirates, as opposed to ninjas, have changed over the years. All of a sudden, your pirate has a .50 cal machine gun and hand grenades, and your ninja is still stuck with his sword. Sorry ninja, but in a 20 or 21's century battle, all your hope is lost.

That's still not logical because you're assuming that ninjas are too stupid or not clever enough to advance their technology as well. In fact, ninjas can steal a bit of technology and use it against the pirates. They don't have to exactly be stuck to their swords. Also ninjas do not always use melee weapons, they sometimes use shurikens which are ranged and maybe a bow and arrow as well. They may also "acquire" the weapons on a battlefield.

That's still not logical because you're assuming that ninjas are too stupid or not clever enough to advance their technology as well. In fact, ninjas can steal a bit of technology and use it against the pirates. They don't have to exactly be stuck to their swords. Also ninjas do not always use melee weapons, they sometimes use shurikens which are ranged and maybe a bow and arrow as well. They may also "acquire" the weapons on a battlefield.That's all subjunctive. The debate is over "Pirates vs Ninjas" not "Pirates vs. How ninjas would be if they survived today"

That's all subjunctive. The debate is over "Pirates vs Ninjas" not "Pirates vs. How ninjas would be if they survived today"
Uh...didn't you just kind of put the scenario into "Pirates vs How ninjas would be if they survived today" by putting up the advancement of pirate technology vs the discipline of the ninja? You place the ninja in the modern day if you're comparing old ninja ways to modern piracy with guns and explosives.

Uh...didn't you just kind of put the scenario into "Pirates vs How ninjas would be if they survived today" by putting up the advancement of pirate technology vs the discipline of the ninja? You place the ninja in the modern day if you're comparing old ninja ways to modern piracy with guns and explosives.You're missing the point, pirates still exist today, while ninjas do not.

You're missing the point, pirates still exist today, while ninjas do not.

Well, if you stretch it a little, black ops agents are kind of like modern day ninjas.

modern piracy with guns and explosives.
dont forget the most important tool
(limewire)

You're missing the point, pirates still exist today, while ninjas do not.
I know ninjas don't exist today; in fact there's only one true ninja left in the world. Anyways, it's obviously not realistic if you get a ninja from the past and pit him against a pirate in the future with all our modern weapons.
Well, if you stretch it a little, black ops agents are kind of like modern day ninjas.
You could say that because ninjas were primarily used to sneak into places to gather information which is what the Black ops do; however, they aren't exactly ninjas because they aren't trained in ninjutsu. The Black Ops also help resistance groups take down governments or they use unconventional warfare against their enemies which is not what ninjas were designated to do. In fact, there was rarely a case in the past in which a ninja assassinated somebody important.

Okay. I gotta say, I love ninjas and pirates, so this decision has always been tough for me. But pirates win, straight up. Any time period. Especially if we are talking full pirate crew, vs. a ninja "squadron" or w/e you would call a group of ninjas.

I'm getting tired of this discussion...especially since Napalm decided to make the whole Ninjas vs Pirates a logical debate. There just isn't any point in that because the whole thing wasn't meant to be logical and it just kills the fun that way.

Good point. Personally I am thinking Gussa is right. If we pirates arm you ninjas, and you ninjas train us pirates, with our stock of booze, and your acrobatic skills, we could rule the world, or at least start our own country.

Good point. Personally I am thinking Gussa is right. If we pirates arm you ninjas, and you ninjas train us pirates, with our stock of booze, and your acrobatic skills, we could rule the world, or at least start our own country.Ruling the world is a bit out of the question.

Good point. Personally I am thinking Gussa is right. If we pirates arm you ninjas, and you ninjas train us pirates, with our stock of booze, and your acrobatic skills, we could rule the world, or at least start our own country.
I know it would be a good plan if the ninjas and pirates allied together, but in the end a small difference could cause us to start a large scale war so it's hard for pirates and ninjas to befriend each other to rule the world.

Ruling the world is a bit out of the question.
nothing is out of the question when you're drunk (which pirates are most of the time)

Which is why I'm supposed to be the diplomat on behalf of the ninjas when we have to talk to pirates.

A gun can kill both of them

One gun only? Hmm...I don't think one gun can kill an army of pirates and ninjas.

Which is why I'm supposed to be the diplomat on behalf of the ninjas when we have to talk to pirates.
cause you're always drunk as well?

One gun only? Hmm...I don't think one gun can kill an army of pirates and ninjas.
A bomb can kill both sides.

One gun only? Hmm...I don't think one gun can kill an army of pirates and ninjas.http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/Gau8a_a.jpg
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I know it would be a good plan if the ninjas and pirates allied together, but in the end a small difference could cause us to start a large scale war so it's hard for pirates and ninjas to befriend each other to rule the world.

Thats why we gather our most affable, and genial, pirates and ninjas, and have them raise there children together, teaching them the arts and cultures of both. Then hopefully as the groups begin to intermingle, pirates and ninjas will start to marry, and the two groups will eventually become one stupendously powerful group.

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/Gau8a_a.jpg
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You forget that the pirates could just steal that ahead of time.

Hehehehe. Already taken care of.

Thats why we gather our most affable, and genial, pirates and ninjas, and have them raise there children together, teaching them the arts and cultures of both. Then hopefully as the groups begin to intermingle, pirates and ninjas will start to marry, and the two groups will eventually become one stupendously powerful group.
That sounds like a good idea and all but I don't like it. I'd rather keep the ninja race pure ninja and leave the pirates...pure pirates. Besides that what are we going to call our new mix of ninjas and pirates? Pinjas or Nirates?

Neither, we shall call them... gods. Jk. I dunno, like, the cool kids, or sooommething.

I don't like the idea of ninjas mixing with pirates too much.

ninjas+pirates=universal chaos and the collapse of everything normal

ninjas+pirates=universal chaos and the collapse of everything normal
You don't know what you're talking about, so shut up.

proof that pirates and ninjas can crossbreed
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/GUSSA/144.jpg

proof that pirates and ninjas can crossbreed
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/GUSSA/144.jpgthats from weeble and bob isn't it?

proof that pirates and ninjas can crossbreed
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/GUSSA/144.jpg
That just looks like a ninja with an eyepatch, adultswim did a better job of giving the image of what a pirate ninja looks like.

ahh but you haven't seen his behavior

ahh but you haven't seen his behavior
To be truly a pirate or a ninja you have to be one or the other. I mean being both is just not correct.

to be both is to be a pirate/ninja

To be truly a pirate or a ninja you have to be one or the other. I mean being both is just not correct.Whats the matter with a ninja who sails the seas stealing things.

The pirates three main loves: women, booze, treasure. The three forbidden ninja vices: woman, booze, gambling. As shown in Naruto through the humor of the sannin; Jiriya loves woman, and Tsunade gambles. Though I don't think Orochi is an alcoholic.

The ways of the pirate are different from the ways of the ninja.

The pirates three main loves: women, booze, treasure.

pi·rate http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Fpirates) (pī'rĭt) Pronunciation Key (http://cache.lexico.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html)
n.

One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.
A ship used for this purpose.__________________________________________ ______________________

I don't see where a pirate is limited to someone who has a drinking problem, is sexually aggressive, or has an addiction to money.

You got your definition based on a dictionary...which just defines what a pirate is, but it doesn't define the way the pirate lives his life.

but see, no one can truly define what a pirate is because they are all individual.
all you can do is call them all criminal outcasts and leave it at that................

its true

but see, no one can truly define what a pirate is because they are all individual.
all you can do is call them all criminal outcasts and leave it at that................
I guess you could say that too...but there's also the fact that the guy who wrote the definition didn't live with pirates or was a pirate himself so his definition isn't that accurate.

exactly...

I like pirates better, only because they seem more interesting, not to mention more cool and fun. [;

It would be kind of cool if they worked together. It might also make a good movie.

Better movie: Pirates vs. Ninjas

Hmm. Maybe so. They should make both, then I'll decide.

no
if the pirate force and the ninja force were to create a mafia of some form, they would be UNSTOPPABLE!!!

It's the little differences that keep pirates and ninjas apart though.

like what?

the names?

The fact that the ninja isn't supposed to trust anyone and that they are pretty deceptive, I mean after all ninjas are trained in the art of deception. There's also the fact that pirates like to party and raid all day and ninjas silently sneak into places to get information or kill somebody.

pirates arent as untrained as they seem (that is quite a nice deception)

The thing is they aren't trained at all...they just learn how to fight along the way.

you'd be surprised....

You can't claim to know how well trained we pirates are, unless you are one of us and know from personal experience.

or you've gotten your ass kicked by a pirate,,,

or you've gotten your ass kicked by a pirate,,,
I have!
They're very well-trained. Watch out.
Hah. [;

thats right...

You can't claim to know how well trained we pirates are, unless you are one of us and know from personal experience.
I actually do know for experience through fighting some. Some are people who claim to be pirates but they're not, others are actually pirates. I can see they didn't train to get their skills...but I give them credit for being good at improv.
or you've gotten your ass kicked by a pirate,,,
Nope...I never have, though there were a few who have gotten close but just didn't succeed.

See you think you have fought pirates, and people who just say they are pirates. But if you are a ninja, and you are still alive, than clearly you have never fought a pirate. Only a person claiming to be one.

Okay now you're just assuming crap and that's not going to do you or me any good. Just so you know...there is at least one ninja left in the world, hell maybe there's more so I may not be a person who is claiming to be a ninja. Also...if you're trying to make this discussion completely logical then you're killing it like Napalm did.

Man, logic in a PvN debate? What the SHITE is that? I was mearly pointing out that any ninja who has ever run into a real pirate is now lying in a watery grave.

umm excuse me?
it is referred to as Davy Jones' locker

Man, logic in a PvN debate? What the SHITE is that? I was mearly pointing out that any ninja who has ever run into a real pirate is now lying in a watery grave.
Well...now you're giving the ninja a disadvantage here by saying the pirate is real but the ninja isn't. Now if this were an equal battle between a true ninja and a "real" pirate, I'm pretty sure the pirate would've met his doom before the battle started.
EDIT: Oh yeah and I finally found the other thread (http://gprime.net/board/showthread.php?t=7663&highlight=Pirates+Ninjas) that had this discussion, but don't bring it back there's no point in that anymore.

I'm not saying the ninja is a fictitious creature, far from it in fact. I am saying there are real live ninjas, its just that any one of them that has met a pirate is no longer among the living.

Ninjas can definitely defeat pirates without a problem. If they wanted to they could already kill them before the battle began. The ninja's best weapon is their deadly skills in assassination, while pirates have fear as their weapon. Unfortunately ninjas have been trained to have no fear at all so the pirates have already lost if they can't even use that as a weapon against the ninja.

http://volumeone.typepad.com/volume_one/images/ninjaVSpirate.jpg
Enough said...the pirates wouldn't even be alive to fight the ninjas in the first place. But we're giving you a fair fight by allowing you guys to live.

But see, thats not even a real pirate in the pic, thats a pirate wanna be. I real pirate cannot be snuck up on, and the stench of rum on his breath will give the srtongest of men a reason to quiver. Seeing as ninjas are womanly, they don't even have a modicom of protection from the pirates sheer manliness. A single glance will knock a ninja flat.

Ninjas are trained in the art of drunken boxing I'm pretty sure they're immune to the "stench" of rum. Also...the only ninjas who remain womanly are the female ninjas who seduce men and kill them in many painful ways. Also...if the smell can't seem to get a ninja down, then I doubt that a glance from a pirate can bring a ninja down. Besides that ninjas are also trained in another unknown martial arts style that is known to even stare down the glance of the devil himself.
EDIT: This discussion is starting to hurt my head because I'm doing pre-calc homework while I'm in a PvN debate.

Man ur being logical. Stop that. Pirates win because our sheer manliness overpowers anything. It is impossible to harm us except through a sheer manliness facedown. To this day only one man has come close enough to earn our respect. His name? Chuck Norris.

I'm being logically illogical, but anyways...pirates may be manly but unfortunately they lose that manliness because we'll send in our female ninjas to seduce them and take away their "manliness". If they're immune to that then the only conclusion I can come to is that these pirates are queer and unmanly boy lovers. Ninjas don't even need manliness to defeat pirates because ninjas have their own deadly ways of removing manliness in direct combat or other vital organs in other cases.

see a woman ninja would try to remove a pirates man parts, but upon sight of its glorious magnitude she would become so horny that all she would be able to do is screw, and even if she was a lesbian she would immediately become straight. and even if a knife were to attempt to puncture such parts, the blade would crack for a pirates hard on is as solid as iron, and a pirate also has balls of steel.

Wow.
I think you guys are both a little insane. [;

see a woman ninja would try to remove a pirates man parts, but upon sight of its glorious magnitude she would become so horny that all she would be able to do is screw, and even if she was a lesbian she would immediately become straight. and even if a knife were to attempt to puncture such parts, the blade would crack for a pirates hard on is as solid as iron, and a pirate also has balls of steel.
i like the way this guy thinks

see a woman ninja would try to remove a pirates man parts, but upon sight of its glorious magnitude she would become so horny that all she would be able to do is screw, and even if she was a lesbian she would immediately become straight. and even if a knife were to attempt to puncture such parts, the blade would crack for a pirates hard on is as solid as iron, and a pirate also has balls of steel.
Female ninjas are trained well in the art of seduction, with training that can take any normal human thousands of years to learn it takes female ninjas a matter of years or months to learn it. With this art they do not fall for the "glorious" magnitude of the parts of the pirate. As for the whole "balls or steel" and "iron", iron or steel is nothing compared to the metal that ninja weapons are made of. Even without the weapons female ninjas can remove the pirate's parts by hand because they have that much strength from ninja training.

lol....
its funny that i'm a pirate yet i have a katana in my room....

You could say you stole it from a samurai or a Japanese sailor, or a ninja, but the problem with that is katanas are not really the ninja's main weapon. In fact they're too long and not easy to conceal so ninjas don't really carry that, but that's speaking logically of course.

yes... ninjas use things such as whips, shirukens (spelt wrong), poison pills (should an assassination attempt go wrong) and various other things like that...

The closest thing to a Katana would be the slightly shorter versions of that and I forgot what they were called.

the katana mini?

No there's another name for it, and it's not that.

Well, the Japanese used a three sword set, called the Daisho. The largest was the katana, the middle the daisho, and the smallest the tao. Of course I am probably at least a litte bit off on the names, I did my report on swords in 9th grade so it has been a while.

it was the tao...

The shortest one was called the shoto I thought, and I think ninjas do use a pair of those sometimes.

i thought it was tao

In the three sword set there's the Katana, Wakizashi, and Shoto. Shoto which is the shortest one I remember and I found out about Wakizashi just about now. I think they also use the Wakizashi as well because it's like a Katana but it's slightly shorter.

That's still not logical because you're assuming that ninjas are too stupid or not clever enough to advance their technology as well. In fact, ninjas can steal a bit of technology and use it against the pirates. They don't have to exactly be stuck to their swords. Also ninjas do not always use melee weapons, they sometimes use shurikens which are ranged and maybe a bow and arrow as well. They may also "acquire" the weapons on a battlefield.

You know, there are such things as "New Age Ninjas" That have swords (mostly for show) And just like mr napalm said, with the 50. Cal rifles and machine guns. I heard they dress up in Night vision masks and body armor, all painted in (Duh) Black. Kind of like Japanese secret service agents.

No logic in this thread.

no logic in your head?

no logic needed...