And if there is none, why shouldn't we kill ourselves right now?

go ahead an do it if you feel that depressed....

I encourage you

no reason. Random occurrences of nature really. Nobody serves a purpose.

Just because existence has no meaning doesn't mean its not worth living. Why kill yourself when there is nothing else? Any existence is better than none at all.

You had this coming.

*Sigh*...you people are soo terribly depressing. The point of life is to influence other people. The world is a vast lake and you must be the rock that lands in the center. The size of the rock you are is quite up to you, though. The point of life is to utilize the four million years of perfection-honing (if you can call us perfect) that all other humans have managed to utilize in the past. Our point is to maintain the world that we have inherited and carry out the natural processes we have been given as a species. We are to evlolve beyond the point of simply being and existing and into the realm of excellence. Our point is to so exceed the expectations of others so as to become as perfect as we can possibly be.

Of course, perfection is an unreal expectation for a person, as perfection doesn't exist. All we can do is strive. No one person is a true master of all skills and talents, so we must only do what we can to be better than others think we can really be. Of course, this is the best possible way to maximize human life, as that which is expected of you continually and gradually grows into a higher standard, so we're always exceeding our past selves.

Psh. And people say the world is evil.

go ahead an do it if you feel that depressed....
Who said I was depressed? I was only wondering.

There's no point in living, but there's also no point in killing yourself. Unless you hate everything about life I recommend staying alive.

You had this coming.
*Sigh*...you people are soo terribly depressing. The point of life is to influence other people. The world is a vast lake and you must be the rock that lands in the center. The size of the rock you are is quite up to you, though. The point of life is to utilize the four million years of perfection-honing (if you can call us perfect) that all other humans have managed to utilize in the past. Our point is to maintain the world that we have inherited and carry out the natural processes we have been given as a species. We are to evlolve beyond the point of simply being and existing and into the realm of excellence. Our point is to so exceed the expectations of others so as to become as perfect as we can possibly be.
Of course, perfection is an unreal expectation for a person, as perfection doesn't exist. All we can do is strive. No one person is a true master of all skills and talents, so we must only do what we can to be better than others think we can really be. Of course, this is the best possible way to maximize human life, as that which is expected of you continually and gradually grows into a higher standard, so we're always exceeding our past selves.
Psh. And people say the world is evil.
Interesting, I agree. The only thing I can add is that I believe in some ways the point of being here is just to be here and enjoy.

I recommend staying alive.
But that's only a recommendation. I mean you don't have to...if you don't want to.

You had this coming.
*Sigh*...you people are soo terribly depressing. The point of life is to influence other people. The world is a vast lake and you must be the rock that lands in the center. The size of the rock you are is quite up to you, though. The point of life is to utilize the four million years of perfection-honing (if you can call us perfect) that all other humans have managed to utilize in the past. Our point is to maintain the world that we have inherited and carry out the natural processes we have been given as a species. We are to evlolve beyond the point of simply being and existing and into the realm of excellence. Our point is to so exceed the expectations of others so as to become as perfect as we can possibly be.
Of course, perfection is an unreal expectation for a person, as perfection doesn't exist. All we can do is strive. No one person is a true master of all skills and talents, so we must only do what we can to be better than others think we can really be. Of course, this is the best possible way to maximize human life, as that which is expected of you continually and gradually grows into a higher standard, so we're always exceeding our past selves.
Psh. And people say the world is evil.
Good explanation

Life is vast, we all make mistakes, we must learn from them. We must learn.

Life is vast, we all make mistakes, we must learn from them. We must learn.
Why learn?

Life is vast, we all make mistakes, we must learn from them. We must learn.
Why learn?

my thesis:
life is pointless..... go get drunk and enjoy it cause it wont last long...

Why learn?for the advancement of those who come after us.

Yes, that too. I think we all have very different reasons. I learn because it gives me some satisfaction. Read my sig. It explains my views on learning just as much as on teaching, just make sure you read beneath the obvious.

Why post on this forum? Not only do I know as a fact that the majority of you hate me, but why would our descendants care what the hell we post here? Furthermore, what is the point of learning what is already known? Only one person needs to know something, and anybody else who knows it after that is just redundant.

Leisure is important to human growth, and human growth individually is important to future generations. Everything we do is important, because it shows us the true meaning of human evolution, and we are continuing it with things like technology and understanding of the things around us.

As for the point of learning what is already known to most people...we need a solid foundation of knowledge in order to build and grow. We can't just try and figure things out if we don't even know what the more primitive things are.

You can't go to point B unless you've already been to point A. Not much point.

Why post on this forum? Not only do I know as a fact that the majority of you hate me, but why would our descendants care what the hell we post here? Furthermore, what is the point of learning what is already known? Only one person needs to know something, and anybody else who knows it after that is just redundant.
First off, I do not hate you, not in the least. Second, if someone dies and that person is the only one who had certain knowledge, that knowledge is lost until someone figures it out and that can take a long time.

Only one person needs to know something, and anybody else who knows it after that is just redundant.Yeah, as long as one person knows how to drive a car, I'm sure the rest of the world can take after him. Not like we need driving tests or anything.

First off, I do not hate you, not in the least. Second, if someone dies and that person is the only one who had certain knowledge, that knowledge is lost until someone figures it out and that can take a long time.

Yes, I thought of that after I posted it. What I should have said is that once the data is recorded and secure, there is no reason to learn it if you can just look it up.
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Oh yeah, thanks. Nice to know. After all, hate is just an aftereffect of fear. There's probably nothing to fear about me.

Ah. Well, most people pursue knowledge just do so for the sport of it.

I don't really think there's a universal point in life. I believe that everyone has to look into themselves to find a point in life or find out themselves on what is the point of their life is.

There's probably nothing to fear about me.
just dont get him angry

There's nothing much to fear about him, just like the rest of us...he's someone using the internet. Nothing to fear here.

If someone dies and that person is the only one who had certain knowledge, that knowledge is lost until someone figures it out and that can take a long time.
Or the person with that knowledge can leave behind the information encoded in a prototype 100-series Realian before he jumps off of a building, torturing people into knowing that the information exists but nobody can have it.

There's nothing much to fear about him, just like the rest of us...he's someone using the internet. Nothing to fear here.
he will turn into the internet hulk!

Ooh...that can't be good.

YOh yeah, thanks. Nice to know. After all, hate is just an aftereffect of fear. There's probably nothing to fear about me.

I disagree. I don't know you well enough to truly hate you, but if I were to hate you it would not be out of fear. Rather it would be out of loathing for the mentally incompetent, who have no excuse for their lack of intelligence; i.e. mental retardation.

Ooh...that can't be good.
we could enlist him in the g-battle

Hate of a thing is the fear of becoming it.

*head implodes*

hate: to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest. It has nothing to do with fear.

Did you say that the mentally retarded have no excuse to be mentally incompetent?


PS: The purpose of living is to engage in sexual congress with a large number of partners

No. I'm saying a loathe his stupidity, as he has no mental illness to excuse it.

PS: The purpose of living is to engage in sexual congress with a large number of partners
of course!
why didnt i see it before!!!

Did you say that the mentally retarded have no excuse to be mentally incompetent?
PS: The purpose of living is to engage in sexual congress with a large number of partners
Sexual congress...no wonder our government never gets anything done.

We aren't talking about the definition of hate. We're talking about the raw emotion of hate, and the fact that its base is in the same basic chemicals as fear.

The only things I fear are spiders. And I hate lots of stuff. Not at all the same, at leat not in my case.

It doesn't feel like the same emotion, but there are only eight basic emotions, which can also be further reclassified into more basic categories: fear, joy, surprise, disgust, curiosity, acceptance, anger, and sadness. These are classified as the basic categories because these are all pure surges of chemicals. All other emotions are combinations. For example, sadness is caused by a surge of the chemical serotonin caused by an outside stimulus or a memory. Depression is a disorder in which a person has serotonin counterbalancing every other chemical. Basically it's perpetual, extreme sadness, but I'm sure yall knew that.

Like I said, all other emotions that I didn't list, such as hate, are probably all combinations of the various chemicals. Scientists can monitor these chemicals when they expose us to things that we hate, enjoy, love, and then determine the chemicals that cause all the emotions that aren't the basic ones, like anticipation, nervousness, and faith.

This is why people are so different, because each person's brain responds with different chemical surges to different stimuli, and the stronger feelings are embedded into our memory.
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And just for good measure, a little comic relief. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gd1he3CImBI)

So, could we eliminate hatred by prescribing pills to counter balance the chemical combination? That would be pretty cool.

Welcome to the terrible future, where science has replaced humanity. Got problems? Take pills. I hope you OD.

I don't mean we should be required to take pills to control all of our emotions, but I think that certain people (KKK members, that kind of thing) should be prescribed a pill to eliminate the emtion hate, if possible, after repeated offenses.

Not to be cynical, but if we chose to develop something that would eliminate radical forms of hatred, there would be a definitive effect on the motivation of the human race to prosper and better its collective personal condition. After all, much of our progression is based on doing what others (i.e. the haters) feel we cannot or should not do for whatever reason.

dopamine....

I agree with RazerMurdoch, at least somewhat. Hate is an important part of human progression, so it isn't all bad.

Hate, to me, is just as good as love. The way I see it, emotions should be measured in a spectrum of extremity, not good emotions and bad emotions. To me, feeling hate is just as good as feeling love, as feeling any kind of emotion. To me, the only bad emotions are the dull ones, while the best kinds of emotions are the huge, unsuppressable surges of feeling. To feel extreme, passionate hate is just as good as feeling equally extreme, passionate love. Emotion is a reminder to me that I am human, the highest form of being, and the strongest kind of these reminders are the emotions that overwhelm us. The strong, complex, passionate emotions, no matter what they actually are, are the best to feel, because it is those that make us the most human.

I agree for the most part. Though I hate it when people say humans are the highest form of being. It makes them sound like pompous asses. Personally I think that humans are the worst of all races, worse than animals if anything. The thing with the pills though, I just thought that instead of killing repeated offenders of excessively violent hate crimes, or putting them in jail for life, it would be cool to eleminate just that one emotion, and let them live the rest of their life normally.

I don't mean we should be required to take pills to control all of our emotions, but I think that certain people (KKK members, that kind of thing) should be prescribed a pill to eliminate the emtion hate, if possible, after repeated offenses.That sounds a lot like big brother to me...

Well would you rather be executed, or just unable to feel hate? It would be a choice of course.

Like in Xenosaga, they genetically altered humans to be specialized for killing. This was during a time of war. When the war was over, the genetically altered humans had no place in society, because all they knew how to do was kill. So they invented this thing called 'personality reconditioning' where instead of throwing someone in prison for life or killing them, they altered their brains to where they no longer had the urge to do whatever crime they had committed.

Also, in the movie/book A Clockwork Orange, they take this degenerate hooligan kid after he robs a house and they put him in prison. They perform all these psychological experiments on him where they ingrain into his mind that all things like sex, violence, drinking, drugs, etc. were all terrible, and anytime he tried to do things like that he would gag and vomit. I won't say what happens after he undergoes this whole thing, but Gabrielwhist, you should probably watch that movie before you come to any conclusion about what you're theorizing.

I agree for the most part. Though I hate it when people say humans are the highest form of being. It makes them sound like pompous asses. Personally I think that humans are the worst of all races, worse than animals if anything. The thing with the pills though, I just thought that instead of killing repeated offenders of excessively violent hate crimes, or putting them in jail for life, it would be cool to eleminate just that one emotion, and let them live the rest of their life normally.

Yeah but hate isn't always bad, as Neverender said. (i.e. It is good to hate something that is wrong or unjust). We need to eliminate the expression of hate, but not hate itself.

Not trying to argue with you. Just sayin'

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Like in Xenosaga, they genetically altered humans to be specialized for killing. This was during a time of war. When the war was over, the genetically altered humans had no place in society, because all they knew how to do was kill. So they invented this thing called 'personality reconditioning' where instead of throwing someone in prison for life or killing them, they altered their brains to where they no longer had the urge to do whatever crime they had committed.
Also, in the movie/book A Clockwork Orange, they take this degenerate hooligan kid after he robs a house and they put him in prison. They perform all these psychological experiments on him where they ingrain into his mind that all things like sex, violence, drinking, drugs, etc. were all terrible, and anytime he tried to do things like that he would gag and vomit. I won't say what happens after he undergoes this whole thing, but Gabrielwhist, you should probably watch that movie before you come to any conclusion about what you're theorizing.

I agree that is wrong to control peoples emotions, and that is not what I am saying. I'm not saying we should restructure their personalities, or change who they are. I'm just saying that if possible, it might be a good idea to let people choose between eliminating their ability to hate, or stay in prison. And this would be in special cases, i.e. hate crimes, like the KKK. And seriously, who gives a shit if it doesn't work and destroys the lives of a couple white supremacist assholes?

I think we need to be working on more important things than conquering people's emotions, such as finding an adequate way to wipe Elen DeGeneres off the face of the earth. She just won an Emmy and she's talking about how good Hot Pockets are. S...T...F...U!!!

Anyhow, all emotions are good, but only if we keep them inside or use them for good purposes. Of course, people with odd emotional disorders don't generally have the same idea as normal humans (although I like to consider everyone a normal human) as to what 'good purposes' are, but okay. For example, to steal Gabrielwhist's ideas, the KKK have a strong hate for anyone of slavery-descent, and they think that a 'good intention' is killing a black person, which most of us normal humans percieve as wrong. If they kept it to themselves, they would be just as good as anyone else. Same as Hitler. But it's their actions that get them hated, and their emotions are the basis of those. So when it really comes down to it, it depends on whether we think the person is going to carry out unstabe emotions into actions.

Personally, I prefer therapy, philosophy, and rational reasoning over pills. Pills are dehumanizing us.

I disagree, not all emotions are good ones, or at least not equals. Wouldn't you rather be in love, than hating someone?

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I disagree, not all emotions are good ones, or at least not equals. Wouldn't you rather be in love, than hating someone?
You not hungry for forums, you hungry for... Hot Pa-kets!
No. Feeling hate is just as good as loving, as long as there is balance. Emotions are like colors. Some of them are ugly, some of them are pretty, but without all of them, we'd live in a pretty boring world.

like people of the opposite sex

No. Feeling hate is just as good as loving, as long as there is balance. Emotions are like colors. Some of them are ugly, some of them are pretty, but without all of them, we'd live in a pretty boring world.well, if you were to boil that down to its technical level:

Visible Light Spectrum:

Most colors can be created with Red Green And Blue.

You say, that without all the colors, we'd be in a boring world.

However when we combine These 3 universal colors, we get something strange.

Grey.

Strangely enough, when you combine all the colors, you get something really, really dull.

So based on your theory that we need all the colors, this would be the most boring place you could imagine.

O_o

Exactly. One of the most beatiful places on earth? The Great Barrier Reef. What do we see there? Red, Blue, Green. Vibrant colors. Happy Emotions. All those negatives, the greys and the weird vomit colors, they just bring you down. However, I do love the lack of color, black. Everyone needs a good bout a depression to give them something to write about.

Napalm, quit being an idiot. You know exactly what I mean and that I didn't mean it on the technical level. Brown may be just a combination of green, yellow, and red, but it looks to me to be a completely different color than lime green, which looks different from crimson, which looks different from a nice, royal blue. I'm very sorry for you if all you see when you walk outside is grey, grey and more grey.

I'm saying the world would be boring without all the different combinations of colors, not all the colors combined. Similarly, emotions are like colors in another way that I explained earlier: all emotions are made by combining eight basic chemicals that respond with our brain to make us feel differently, but there are infinitely more than eight emotions. The 'Basic Eight' are the primary colors of the light spectrum.

If all we were feeling at one point was a big combination of eight chemicals all at once reacting with each other in our brain, that would create an effect similar to all colors combining to form grey, except we would probably go crazy really soon. That's why we feel all different combinations of emotions instead of all emotions at once, and we see all different combinations of colors at different times and different places instead of seeing a combination of all the colors or emotions together all the time.

What I'm saying is that all combinations are different from each other, at least on the surface, and it's all the different combinations existing in nature that make it all exciting.

Even the bad combinations.

Napalm, quit being an idiot. You know exactly what I mean and that I didn't mean it on the technical level.Why not? The world functions on a technical level. Brown may be just a combination of green, yellow, and red, but it looks to me to be a completely different color than lime green, which looks different from crimson, which looks different from a nice, royal blue.If you add Brown to lime green to Crimson to royal blue, you'll get a very nice Black. Which really are simple electromagnetic waves with a different frequency. Colors do not really exist.

I'm very sorry for you if all you see when you walk outside is grey, grey and more grey.
Emotions are like colors. Some of them are ugly, some of them are pretty, but without all of them, we'd live in a pretty boring world.?


I'm saying the world would be boring without all the different combinations of colors, not all the colors combined.Colors also depend on who's eye is receiving them. For example, a cat has emotions, but it does not see what we consider to be
color.
Similarly, emotions are like colors in another way that I explained earlier: all emotions are made by combining eight basic chemicals that respond with our brain to make us feel differently, but there are infinitely more than eight emotions. The 'Basic Eight' are the primary colors of the light spectrum.But 5 of your "basic eight" come from the 3 cardinal colors. So theres a 'Basic 3' not 8.

If all we were feeling at one point was a big combination of eight chemicals all at once reacting with each other in our brain, that would create an effect similar to all colors combining to form grey, except we would probably go crazy really soon. That's why we feel all different combinations of emotions instead of all emotions at once, and we see all different combinations of colors at different times and different places instead of seeing a combination of all the colors or emotions together all the time.Night Club anyone? Wheres rehab when you need him.

Okay, plain and simple. Gun to your head: would you rather love someone or hate someone? Personally I would rather be in love, than be in hate(?). Therefore, in my opinion, love is a better emotion than hate. Now, I gotta get back to Okami.

Why not? The world functions on a technical level. If you add Brown to lime green to Crimson to royal blue, you'll get a very nice Black. Which really are simple electromagnetic waves with a different frequency. Colors do not really exist.
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Colors also depend on who's eye is receiving them. For example, a cat has emotions, but it does not see what we consider to be
color.
But 5 of your "basic eight" come from the 3 cardinal colors. So theres a 'Basic 3' not 8.
Night Club anyone? Wheres rehab when you need him.
Not everyone's perspective is technical. You should try seeing things as they are on the outside every once in a little while. Life's fun when you're superficial and shallow.

Oh please! Nothing really exists. There is no such thing as fact, only perspective and opinion. Anything a person can say or think is a perspective or an opinion.

Okay, the whole color to emotion metaphor was not meant to be translated literally. We all know that there are many major differences between the things we see and the ways we feel. I was simply trying to better state the properties of emotion by relating them to something about which we all know a little bit: colors.

As for Rehab...I hope he's lying dead in a gutter somewhere in the slums of Calcutta with his guts being eaten by fungus and bacteria. Of course, I shouldn't get my hopes up....

Wow you are a vicious angry man.

Not everyone's perspective is technical. You should try seeing things as they are on the outside every once in a little while. Life's fun when you're superficial and shallow.

Oh please! Nothing really exists. There is no such thing as fact, only perspective and opinion. Anything a person can say or think is a perspective or an opinion.

Okay, the whole color to emotion metaphor was not meant to be translated literally. We all know that there are many major differences between the things we see and the ways we feel. I was simply trying to better state the properties of emotion by relating them to something about which we all know a little bit: colors.
I completely understand what you're saying,I'm just trying to be an ass while providing a contradicting viewpoint to your example.

All you need is love! Love, love is all you need. Love is all you need.

what are you on o_O

Wow you are a vicious angry man.
Not really. I'm actually quite satisfied and happy with life. I just happen to hate the one who calls himself rehabisforquitters for a number of reasons. If you want to know those reasons go back and look at all his posts before he left.

what are you on o_O

The real question is what am I NOT on.

well you're definitely not high on life thats for sure...

True, I have to get high so that life doesn't bring me down.

We won't know the true meaning of life until after we die... pretty much. I mean, we all spend life preparing for death, don't we? Even if you're that type of person who's "here for the moment" don't tell me death is never in the back of your mind. Weather or not you believe in the afterlife, the only way to know it's there for sure is if you die (and stay dead). I however, would rather that happen naturally... and a good long time from now.

Death doesn't scare me, because I mean, when you die there is nothing. The rides over. I don't want to die, because life is interesting, but if I do die, oh well. Lets hope the ride was as fun as possible. By the way, its whether, not weather.

I don't want to die because I have dreams... and a family that would be completely heart-broken and probably fall apart if I were to suddenly die. :P

I take that back... I wouldn't like to think they'd fall apart. -_- Hopefully they would simply mourn and then gradually move on, and let life become normal again. Or as normal as possible. I hate being the source of one's grief.

I've always wondered how I'm going to die. Whenever someone says something like, "Next Friday this and this and this is going to happen," I always think, "Maybe I won't even be alive then...so much could happen." It's a little morbid, but that's how I think. I really enjoy life, and I know that there is meaning. I don't know how I'm going to die, but it's going to be an interesting event.

man it would suck to die reading this thread...

I want to have a colorful funeral, and I want it to be held on a sunny day... I let all the people I love know this. If someone wears black at my funeral, they either hate me, or don't know me very well. -_- I've never been to a funeral myself, but I hate the idea of everyone wearing black. I know it's tradition, but it's an extremely depressing tradition.

im gonna host a fake funeral sometime in my life.... where i fake my own death (only keeping my closest family in on the secret for organizational reasons) then just as they are about to bury me i pop out and shout SURPRISE!!!!

That would make headlines.

yes.... not to mention an arrest for faking your own death...

Yes but that'd be part of the fun.

i suppose

You get arrested for faking your own death? Where I come from, they would kill you for faking your death for the sole sake of irony.

How lame... it'd be better if they tortured you for the rest of your life leaving you WISHING you were dead.

That would be pretty good.

Man I hate it when people say "they know there is a purpose in life". That is just such utter bullshit. It is entirely impossible for anyone to know. And it is extremely implausible for there to be a reason for living. I mean, I am extremely religious (pastafarian) but I still am not sure what awaits me after death. And I'm a hard core pirate. I'm a fucking divine being and I don't know whats going on. So quit the bullshit, no one has any idea if their is an afterlife, or a point to this one. All we can hope is to one day meet the FSM.

Maybe some people's lives just have more meaning than yours.

Thats not what I'm refering to. I'm saying its impossible to know whether or not life itself holds any purpose or meaning. For all we know are entire universe is the flying cumshot of some cosmic pornstar, and when it hits that honeys face... well everythings over.

O_o Um... okay?

Heh, I have always had random thoughts, and lately, due to much....recreational activity, they are becoming even more random.

I am really quite guilty of it as well. At times I find myself picturing just some of the most repulsive (not sexual) crazy disgusting horriric imagery... simply because I'm curious as to how far my mind can take me. Which is probably why horror films don't phase me....

Yeah, I know what you mean. Except, I don't try to, these thoughts just pop into my head. Do you think that if Jesus was real, he shaved his pubes?

Probably not...

Just wonderin cause everyone is always so smooth in the bible.

I dunno it's just, due to the time that they lived in, I don't think anyone shaved anything. Although it's not exactly like they had to. Everything was always completely covered except their heads.

True, true. Wait...doesn't jesus wear a toga robe thing? like what he was wearin on teh cross?

a loin cloth..

Actually I believe he was naked...

I think it depends on the cross, like the model not the real one, I mean like different people depict it differently. The one I was thinking of had him in a toga that hang off of one shoulder.

Well... at least he's honest.

Whats that mean?

It seems pretty self-explanatory.

Well, not really because it sounds like you are referring to something deragatory, as if I am honest about something gross, and I am kinda confused as to what that would.

Hmm... I've made what is known as a stupid mistake.

I posted that in the wrong thread.

Follow MEEEEE to that phrase's intended location (http://gprime.net/board/showthread.php?p=182548#post182548)!

Anyway, if you want to know the point of living, try reading The Picture of Dorian Gray. That's bound to put things in perspective.

I have to find a passage from that book that represents its main theme...and then I have to write about it for a Summer project for my English class. How lame is that? I haven't even started on it. We're on vacation!

I have to read the Grapes of Wrath, write a paper on it, another information section on the time period, and make a book box on it for AP US History.

Anyway, if you want to know the point of living, try reading The Picture of Dorian Gray. That's bound to put things in perspective.
I have to find a passage from that book that represents its main theme...and then I have to write about it for a Summer project for my English class. How lame is that? I haven't even started on it. We're on vacation!
How many pages are in it? Depending on how fast you read, if it's 300 or less you could finish it in two days.

The length isn't the point, I could read over 1000 pages in two days. It just sucks to have HW over the summer. I think thats what he was saying.

I used to have a problem with procrastination... unless it involved reading.

im reading a book... but for no reason O.()

My brother had to read The Grapes of Wrath. He said it sucks, and from what I hear of it it does really really suck, mostly because it's boring.

Dorian Gray is 280 pages long. It took me a little while to read it becuase I started to read it when I was still in school and I had to read it at the same time as Ender's Game, but I really liked Dorian Gray. It gives a fantastic outlook on life. It's highly depressing, but in a good way.

When I started writing I stopped reading. I always think how much I would rather be writing than reading.

I like to read. It helps inspire me for writing.

you smoke weed.... thats all the inspiration you'll ever need....

Hey... I don't do it very often. Except recently because I am grounded.

sure...

No really dude. I only ever do it at parties for the most part. The only reason I have a stash at the moment is because me and friends were going on a roadtrip and it was my turn to buy the stash. Then I got grounded, so I have a two month supply that was meant for 6 people.

I thought The Grapes of Wrath was good. It's one of my favorite books because it doesn't have a happy ending and it doesn't resolve or conclude it just ends.

Most people dislike reading endings like that, but there is nothing more satisfying than writing an ending to a story like that.

Hahaha, agreed.

since when was everyone a novelist?

I have always been a writer. I started looong before I joined g-prime so I am not sure what you mean by since when.

Looning?

Extension of the word long, to excencuate my point.

Everyone here is a writer.

To an extent. I write stories, in addition to enlightening this small portion of the internet with my opinions.

That reminds me...I have a story I have yet to share with you guys. Becca read it and I meant to post it, but I never got around to it...maybe I'll do that.

Do it. You truly have nothing to lose.

OK, this is random but, I just watched the Chumscrubber, and it was amazing. On the topic of this thread, I think that this might be the point to life. If nothing else at least we can wonder what that point is, and that in itself makes life worth living. Movies like the Chumscrubber optimize this, by making us think. I think I have a new purpose in life. Screw being a doctor and writing in my free time. I'm gonna be a director.

Do it. You truly have nothing to lose.
What's that supposed to mean? Maybe I want all my work to remain anonymous.

I dunno... I was just being positive.

What's that supposed to mean? Maybe I want all my work to remain anonymous.
dont be so negative all the time

Many of the best writers in history have suffered from depression and anxiety issues. Maybe keeping a negative outlook allows him to write better.

That reminds me of the movie Orange County.

"A writer? You wanna be a writer? What do you have to write about? You're not gay, you're not oppressed."

The truth is that I can't handle criticism very well at all unless it's completely and utterly positive. The exception is Becca's opinion (I don't know why). I hate letting people that I know the least bit personally read my stories because it seems so awkward! However, I think just this once I can swallow it and post the story.

Thats why I use a penname whenever i submit work.

How often do you submit your work? And to where?

Not very often, just to the occasional contest. We have some at my school, and my English teacher had us turn in short stories for a national contest, but I don't think he ever sent them out. Also whenever I'm online I use my pen name.

Gabrielwhist is your pen name? I just refer to you as Gabby. I couldn't technically use Neverender. as my pen name because Coheed and Cambria would probably sue me. Although the period at the end was me, not Co&Ca. I can't really think of a good pen name.

I guess I sort of agree with you about the whole awkwardness thing in terms of people reading your work. I don't write full stories often, but when I do I never want anyone to read them. And when they do... I actually get embarrassed when they LIKE it. I'm not sure why.

Gabrielwhist is your pen name? I just refer to you as Gabby. I couldn't technically use Neverender. as my pen name because Coheed and Cambria would probably sue me. Although the period at the end was me, not Co&Ca. I can't really think of a good pen name.

Yeah, Gabriel Whist was the name of the protaganist in my first short story.

I'm still debating revising and posting that story that I have...hmm...

It's not like you've posted your picture on here, so if we ever bump into you somewhere we wouldn't be able to recognize you.

I posted a picture about two months ago when I was doing my portfolio, and last Summer when I came back from London.

Ah... well, never mind then.

And I posted a picture of my back and the back of my head just yesterday.

... in the picture thread?

No. In my guitar project thread.

Oh... I don't think I've looked in that one.

Most people haven't.

I really need to get back to work on that....

show me when youre finished....
p.s. what are you gonna do to paint it?
seeing as how proper guitar vinyl can cost up to $1000 a tin......

Screw that! I'm maybe paying a total of $250 American for all the parts and stuff. Did you know that it costs Gibson only about $700 tops in parts and labor to make a guitar that they charge about $2100 for? Ridiculous. The pickups are about $130 total, the electronics are going to be about $40, and the bridge is going to be another $100, depending on what kind I use. Nah, I'm either just going to put a nice stain on the wood, or maybe I'll just leave it the natural color and put a lacquer on it. I really want to paint it white and put a lacquer on it, but I doubt my dad's going to let me paint it at all.

well if you dont, its not going to last very long....

Are you kidding? Lacquer could last through a nuclear war. I mean, the guitar wouldn't survive, but if it did, the lacquer would still be on it.

Screw that! I'm maybe paying a total of $250 American for all the parts and stuff. Did you know that it costs Gibson only about $700 tops in parts and labor to make a guitar that they charge about $2100 for? Ridiculous. The pickups are about $130 total, the electronics are going to be about $40, and the bridge is going to be another $100, depending on what kind I use. Nah, I'm either just going to put a nice stain on the wood, or maybe I'll just leave it the natural color and put a lacquer on it. I really want to paint it white and put a lacquer on it, but I doubt my dad's going to let me paint it at all.

Why wouldn't your dad let you paint it? And why would he have a say in it at all?

Are you kidding? Lacquer could last through a nuclear war. I mean, the guitar wouldn't survive, but if it did, the lacquer would still be on it.
i meant having nothing on the guitar.... like just open wood....

Yeah, open wood wouldn't last very long, especially on the fingerboard when you're bending strings and stuff. But I'm not going to pay $1000 for guitar paint.

@Gabrielwhist: My dad is sort of the supervisor of the whole project. He knows a lot about wood and he's basically supplying me with the tools to make this. Of course, I'm paying for everything, and I designed it, and I'm the one who knows about guitars. He'll come around eventually, though. He's just an old-fashioned type who thinks that wood is one of the most beautiful things on the planet and it's a crime to put paint on something so nice.

More than anything, though, I wanted to sell it. I wanted to sell it for enough money to buy some really nice wood and some really nice electronics, and make a super-guitar.

I used to write ALOT when I was younger and my stories were pretty darn good for a little kid. I've started writing again lately but just for fun. I'm not very good at it anymore :(

Higher standards come with higher ages.

Haha, agreed. I'm writing a novel at the moment. I have the basic story line, the themes I want to focus on, the characters, the overall plot. You know everything but the actual writing. Which is what I am currently working on.

im researching for a reference book i am co-writing with my cousin....

I'm writing a novel as well. Of course, as big as the story is I'm probably going to have to write a whole trilogy, but that's okay. I already have about 50 pages worth of single-spaced size-12 word document written, but there's a lot more I need to go back and fill in. I hope to finish it before Summer ends, and then I'm going to probably submit it for revision by December. I've already thought up an ending for it, too. I just need to finish it.

im researching for a reference book i am co-writing with my cousin....

Whats it referencing on? Additional ? for my phrasing.

I have one possible ending, which would require a sequel, and if I don't want to write a sequel then I'm going to have to figure out another ending. Of course a sequel could be useful, I have a lot of scenes written out, and I can't use all of them in the plot. A lot of them are fight scenes.

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It seems everyone here is a perfectionist, it irritates me. People talk about the point of life to be contributing to the collective amount of information, or strengthening the gene pool. While these ideas make sense, in all reality, they forget the fundamentals of the massive amounts of emotions in every individual human regarding individuality and self satisfaction. It is what separates us from bees, our hive isn't what we live or die for, what we work for. In the end we do it all for ourselves. Why is reproduction suppressed so often by birth control even as reproduction is such a strong instinct in humans?

There's a little more to this meaning of life thing. The way I see it, life is a gift (not in a religious way) and with it I am given individuality, and through this I find that my life is worth living to please myself. Adversely, the human species is usually assisted. But, unlike bees who place themselves as just tools to their hive, humans rarely place themselves as tools to anything other than themselves. The perfectionist beehive theory of the meaning of life, contributing to the species, just isn't the way that people really live.

If life is a gift, who gave it to you? Who gave it to the person who gave it to you? Who gave it to them?

Chance did, well, I guess I shouldn't say a gift. The better word would be...treasure?

Ah but what started chance? Where did it come from?

For both believers and non-believers in God, this question is, and will probably forever remain, unanswerable.

There is no way something can be made out of nothing. It's just not possible. There can't just be nothing one day and then the next *POOF* matter.

It makes absolutely no sense.

Crap... I hate that stupid edit line....

The point of living is to activate the Sinstar virus in your body, turning yourself into The Crowing and enabling yourself to destroy a vast grouping of planets at will.

But you only have the Sinstar virus if one or both of your parents had the Monstar virus.

Hmmm, well this is going to sound arrogant, but it's the way I see it. Pretty much the chances of me living are of course, very small, therefore, the fact that I'm alive in my mind means I deserve life (plus the fact that my body and mind are healthy and strong) therefore, being that I feel that I was meant to have life, I feel that what I now do with it is up to me. I feel there is no set purpose, my life is mine, and my choice to do with what I will.

you don't just live in life, you make your mark upon it - steve jobs.

There are millions of reasons to live this gift that was given you, and no good reason not to.

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It seems everyone here is a perfectionist, it irritates me. People talk about the point of life to be contributing to the collective amount of information, or strengthening the gene pool. While these ideas make sense, in all reality, they forget the fundamentals of the massive amounts of emotions in every individual human regarding individuality and self satisfaction. It is what separates us from bees, our hive isn't what we live or die for, what we work for. In the end we do it all for ourselves. Why is reproduction suppressed so often by birth control even as reproduction is such a strong instinct in humans?
There's a little more to this meaning of life thing. The way I see it, life is a gift (not in a religious way) and with it I am given individuality, and through this I find that my life is worth living to please myself. Adversely, the human species is usually assisted. But, unlike bees who place themselves as just tools to their hive, humans rarely place themselves as tools to anything other than themselves. The perfectionist beehive theory of the meaning of life, contributing to the species, just isn't the way that people really live.

Dude, another newbie sitting on a pedestal and shouting down proclimations of how everything must be? What is up the swarm of them that has descended recently?
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Ah but what started chance? Where did it come from?
For both believers and non-believers in God, this question is, and will probably forever remain, unanswerable.
There is no way something can be made out of nothing. It's just not possible. There can't just be nothing one day and then the next *POOF* matter.
It makes absolutely no sense.
Crap... I hate that stupid edit line....

Yeah, but it makes just as little sense for God to just poof into existence at some point.

Maybe a creature placed humans on Earth for the purpose of destroying it.

Hold it, I just realized something. One of my ancestors from millions of years ago had sex with a chimp. o.o

Yeah, but it makes just as little sense for God to just poof into existence at some point.
I know. I was making that point both ways.

I hate it when my posts get deleted. I bet this one will now. BTW, does irrevelant mean anything, or is it supposed to be irrelevant?

I hate it when my posts get deleted. I bet this one will now. BTW, does irrevelant mean anything, or is it supposed to be irrelevant?It means not talking about how to survive a fucking horror film when the thread is titled "The Point Of Living". I hope I've made my point.

Napalm has once again gone into delete mode. Anyways...well the point of life to me is just to live it to the fullest I guess...and if you can try to be remembered by a lot of people.

I don't understand what the point in deletion is anymore since we can still read the posts anyway...

And if there is none, why shouldn't we kill ourselves right now?
You should watch the movie Equilibrium. or, at least, look it up.
the purpose of life is to feel.

That sounds like the purpose of life for an artist.

And if there is none, why shouldn't we kill ourselves right now?
Because that means getting up.

The point of living is to get your posts deleted

PS I like pizza

Only wannabe communist dictators delete posts. We could sue Napalm on the grounds of first amendment.

If he wants to keep us on topic, he's gonna have to delete quite a few posts. But he's just going to close the thread if we rebel...

Yes indeed. Speak out against Napalm! Just kidding y'all...

It's like facing the wrath of god... then realizing I could probably beat him up in real life.

God has spoken.